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A teen killer, and an adult stalker

In 1983, when he was 14 years old, Peter Zimmer murdered his adoptive parents and brother. Because of the juvenile laws at the time in Wisconsin, where the murders took place, he was never found guilty, only delinquent. He spent five years in a detention center and then, with his inheritance from his parents’ estate, started a new life in Florida.

He had a new identity as Jovan Collier, and no one knew his of his violent past. Still, his life after that had all the hallmarks of a sociopath—multiple relationships, failed businesses. But then, when one woman had enough, he started making threats, which landed him in jail again.

Read A teen killer’s dark secret, by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Link provided by a Lovefraud reader.

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Ox Drover

Thanks, Donna, the article reads right out of the “Basic Biographies of Psychopaths: Example 1—only the names have been changed to protect the guilty” Funny thing is, about that book, all the stories are almost the SAME, with only a few details and names changed here or there.

Heartsick

I agree. So many of the stories have similarities. Stories like this just verify the old saying “You can’t trust anyone”. As far as relationships go, I now think it is paramount to do a background check before getting whirl winded into what might be a disaster. It would be interesting to have a relationship application, structured closely to a job application, including references, past relationships, etc.

Ox Drover

Dear Heartsick,

I think actually there are a couple of articles here on that very thing, about checking out someone we start to date, and verifying the things they say. About looking at their past history, and their family and relationship histories. Not just taking the things they tell us. THE MORE WE KNOW, the less chance we have of getting hooked by a “bad one.” They always leave a trail, but we must be willing to GO SLOW in the relationship until we KNOW THEM WELL.

That also includes NOT LETTING THEM RUSH US (the “love bomb”) with “I love yous” and sex right away. A relationship that is solid must GROW, it does not spring fully grown from the first meeting. “Love at first sight” is DANGEROUS!

At the FIRST sign of a red flag, ,we must RUN!

Heartsick

Well said Oxdrover, and thank you. Not being love bombed is important to remember, especially when we are lonely, making us a prime target for the spath. I thought I would know all the signs of a “bad one”. After my divorce, I read several relationship books, facilitated a christian singles group, and really thought I had myself together. I guess I wasn’t ready for that though. That had to be the best acting I ever seen. I watched the movie “Gaslight” on youtube yesterday. I guess I could describe my spath friend as the guy who played that, only he had more of the personality of beetlejuice. Just his mannerisms, the things that would throw me off focus.

Buttons

{{{Heartsick}}} The most interesting thing that I’ve learned about “building a healthy relationship” books is that there’s never a chapter that says, “If He/She Does This, Run Like The Wind!” All of those books are written with the assumption that the people who are in need of help are normal, healthy, empathetic human beings. The more we look at domestic violence/abuse, the more it seems that sociopathy is very much underestimated. Even the professional experts can be fooled by these people, so who knows how many spaths are wandering among the empathetics?

Heartsick

Buttons, when I think back to some of the material I read back then, 15 to 18 years ago, I recall that very thing…books that only contained information on rebuilding healthy relationships, but not getting involved in the dangerous ones. Some of the books I read were “Rebuilding”, “Love Is A Choice”, “Happiness Is An Inside Job”, and “Are You The One For Me?”. One thing that I can apply from all of that is that I learned that leopards don’t change their spots and “wherever you go, there you are”. I had forgot about those things the last few years, so when unexplained absences and lies were taken place, I would just stress questioning and blaming myself, thinking I had done something wrong and now he’s off in a healthy relationship somewhere spending time with normal friends…wow, was I wrong. Reality now tells me that probably isnt the case at all. More than likely, he is off playing these little games with more victims. I too, have wondered about how much of this is going on in the world. The numbers on domestic violence is staggering and I too, believe that sociopathy makes up for part of it, yet goes unrecognized. It’s still a daily struggle for me to comprehend, yet I do understand that no matter how much we try to help and be a friend to these type of people, our efforts are, for the most part, a waste of time…and that’s sad.

Oh, I forgot to mention that tonight has been 2 weeks NC. I have short fleeting moments when I think about it, but I then come to this site for a quick reminder of why that wouldnt be a good idea, unless I need the heartache again. Thank you again Donna for this awesome site.

silvermoon

Yeah! Me too! I fell for a lot of that psychobabble that held me upside down and inside out in a marriage to an N and caused a lot of stress and even physical problems.

No more.

Esp after an episode with a SPATH! Jeez Louise!

The notion that any of us isn’t loveable as we are is boulderdash and the people who promote that we become different to suit them or accept anything less than honest devotion with integrity ought to be tied to a tree and left there.

There is a lot of that junk floating around. As far as I am concerned it goes in the burn pile with all the crap about soul mates and unconditional love.

Its just hype that invites intelligent women to become slobbering, twisted people who can’t figure out that they are being taken for a bobsled ride by evil ones who really are not capable of giving ANYTHING back.

If its too hard, take a clue, its too hard. And the reason is HE is PSYCHO.

Love is a choice and I’m taking a stand that there are too many good people here who were lead astray into NOT making the choice to find a better one sooner.

Make a point to talk about the experience and mentor eveyone you care about so we can all make the better choice, next time!

Heartsick

Silvermoon,

“Its just hype that invites intelligent women to become slobbering, twisted people who can’t figure out that they are being taken for a bobsled ride by evil ones who really are not capable of giving ANYTHING back.” I had to laugh at that because that is exactly what our friendship was like…”a bobsled ride”. Those books worked for what I needed at the time. I think I’m going to try and contact some people from the Beginning Experience program and suggest that this information be made part of the program. I’m not saying I have ESP, he just had this indirect way of making people worry and think about him, with the homeless gig, the terminally ill saga, and the apparent droves of crazy obsessed women stalkers. Learning about what a sociopath is has been a real wake up call for me. If I worry now, its more about the next victims in his path. I decided that trying to help a sociopath is kind of like trying to send the devil through the back door of a church and expecting Jesus Christ to walk out the front. The chances of that happening are pretty much zero.

Buttons

“A good relationship takes hard work,” is one of the things that I have read and heard, ad nauseum, and I disagree 100%. A good, healthy relationship certainly has its ups and downs, good times, difficult times, etc., but it isn’t “hard work.” For me, a healthy relationship is one of comfort and not the constant emotional fracturing of one or both partners. If it takes THAT much frigigng work, then I’ve made a bad choice in partners (AND, friends!).

Heartsick, there is no help for spaths. None. My personal (very personal) belief is that these creatures are either born without souls or that their souls are conditioned out of them, at some point. How can anything with a soul not feel remorse or responsibility for deliberately and maliciously harming other human beings? That spaths can sleep so soundly after committing the heinous sins that they do is, for me, evidence that they are truly soul-less.

one/joy_step_at_a_time

“A good relationship takes hard work,” is one of the things that I have read and heard, ad nauseum, and I disagree 100%. A good, healthy relationship certainly has its ups and downs, good times, difficult times, etc., but it isn’t “hard work.” For me, a healthy relationship is one of comfort and not the constant emotional fracturing of one or both partners. If it takes THAT much frigigng work, then I’ve made a bad choice in partners (AND, friends!).

I second that emotion!!!!!

silvermoon

100% agreed one. The good stuff isn’t that hard. The tough stuff is.

After its all said and done, the good times were still a lot of work- mine.

I’d like to see somebody work that hard on my account for a change! LOL!

No more popsychology for this cowgirl! Rowel Spurs are coming into vogue in my fashion plate.

Ya know, the ones that say Hoss, haul it outta here when the hard work for no obvious gain comes along….

I don’t want to judge them – I just don’t want to deal with it- enough. enough.enough.

There are questions to which I will never have answers and if I did, I don’t think the answers would bring any peace.

I don’t care if he has a soul or not. I care if he has a new address. On that, so far,so good.

Those women in Denver are amazing. I thought about something like that and the idea of putting more energy into it besides pursuing the obvious legal doesn’t appeal. Who has time for it?

Once you let go, that stuff is backtracking.Its rear view mirror.

Like you said, if its too much work…. Mucho travajo es no bueno!

one/joy_step_at_a_time

hey silver!

silvermoon

HEY!

one/joy_step_at_a_time

late…only ones here. do you want to come over and dance?

silvermoon

One,

Would love to chat, but I am so so sleepy.
Guess I;d be less tired if the anvil formed out of EVERYTHING ELSE wasn’t so heavy to carry around. But I;ve been hauling that thing around all day wondering how to resolve everything.

Calm around the SPATH Issue. It is getting resolved and out of my hands. Not feeling so pained or nutz about that.

much to decide quickly. i don’t do that so well anymore.

hope you are well. hang tough. No bobsledding!

silvermoon

ps.

I am known to dance in the kitchen to very loud music. some how doing dishes is more fun when there is rockn’ roll involved.

peace out.

one/joy_step_at_a_time

you too girl.

ErinBrock

Silver:
Here….let me hold that anvil for a moment…..get some rest darlen!
XXOO
EB

ErinBrock

Oh…..and heres a little dish doing music to bee bop to…..
🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UXtort76gY&feature=related

silvermoon

Eb-
thanks….

And now, for my next trick…. it will be as good as dancing.

I don’t miss him anymore. I don’t weep any longer. 4 months and a few days. Wow. How long does it take? Well that depends on a lot.

Will it come back? I don’t know. But those memories are kaput.

And this last few days have had a remarkable clarity.

Thanks again EB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PFybCm9Cdw

Ox Drover

UPDATE: He got 42 months for the stalking. Would also have credit for about 7 months jail time before he was sentenced. Googling him under “Jovan Collier” gives some interesting information and news articles as well. This guy sounds like the kid who murdered his parents and threw himself on the mercy of the court because he was an orphan. Just absolutely amazing stories about this guy.

He reconnected with his biological mother and her husband, later she got information about his killing his adoptive parents and cut off contact with him. People just don’t give him a chance after they find out he murdered 3 people…gosh….people just don’t seem to give a kid a break any more, even if he seems like such as nice guy at first.

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