Bernie Madoff case draws attention to problem of sociopaths

Last Thursday morning, my husband informed me that Larry Kudlow, a supply-side economist and television personality, had just called Bernie Madoff a “sociopath” on The Call, a financial news show on CNBC.

“This guy, Madoff, who has caused everybody so much grief, why is he not in jail now?” Kudlow asked, practically apoplectic. “He had a smirk on his face. This guy’s a sociopath.”

There it was—the term “sociopath” on a financial news TV show.

Then there was Andy Serwer, managing editor of Fortune magazine. Serwer is an excellent business reporter; I’ve always been impressed with his work. He’s not one to be tossing psychological terminology around lightly. Yet he referred to Madoff, and Marc Dreier, who cheated investors out of $380 million, as “financial psychopaths.”

Media chic

Two writers for the in-crowd at the Huffington Post equated Madoff with sociopathy.

Mona Ackerman, a clinical psychologist in New York City, wrote The psychology behind Bernie Madoff. She said:

“A sociopath feels no real love toward others. They feel power over others precisely because they are capable of lying without any remorse or second thoughts. Many sociopaths are also quite intelligent and quite charming. So they, or any rogue, can convince people to trustingly hand over their life savings, which is what Bernie Madoff did.”

Dan Agin is emeritus associate professor of molecular genetics and cell biology at the University of Chicago. In Political Corruption, Wall Street Frauds, and Sociopaths, he talks about “social cognition”—our awareness to our connections to the people around us. “Sociopaths in general usually have social cognition problems, especially with empathy,” he writes. “They are people who feel nothing when viewing or imagining the pain and suffering of other people.”

Then he makes what I consider to be very important points:

Not everyone with the traits of a sociopath is a serial killer. Not everyone with the traits of a sociopath is in prison. Not everyone with the traits of a sociopath is autistic or psychotic.

One can have enough empathy to refrain from homicide, but not enough empathy to refrain from fraud or political callousness that causes harm to many thousands of people.

Gossip column

Bernie Madoff was even described in as a sociopath in the gossip blogs. David Parick Columbia’s New York Social Diary wrote,

Bernie Madoff may be what is popularly known as a sociopath, someone who, in the words of Mr. Random House is “a person who, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.” Unusual but not, we all know the kind. ”¦ In the case of Bernie Madoff, scores of bright and intelligent individuals didn’t know and now are truly confounded. Men, brothers, who knew him, who were grateful to know him not because he could make them and so many others so much money but because they liked him, they respected him; some even admired him.

Betrayal is a sociopathic condition, kids.

Value in the tragedy

This is the real value of the Bernie Madoff story to those of us who didn’t lose everything we had because of him: The term “sociopath” is finally being applied to someone other than a serial killer or mob hit man. Bernie Madoff doesn’t look like a wild-eyed murderer. He looks like a Jewish grandfather in a business suit.

The story also proves that anyone, absolutely anyone, can be fooled by a sociopath. The list of people taken by Madoff is filled with people who should have known better: sophisticated investors, international banks, the Securities and Exchange Commission.

I am shocked and appalled at the scope of Madoff’s fraud. But I hope that the story, and all the attention it is getting, has the beneficial effect of teaching people how sociopaths really operate, and how devastating they are.

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KatyD, Gosh if I were so inclined my head would swell and burst with all the nice things you said to me…the word finding difficulty is with me still, but I am LEARNING TO COMPENSATE…when I want to type a thought, I realize I can’t spell “XYZ”—I type it a time or two and realize I can’t even spell it close enough to get spell check to find it! LOL So, I use 2 or 3 little words I CAN spell to express the thought. Or, I try to think of a word to express my thought, but can just get the idea on the tip of my tongue, but cannot make the WORD come out. Sometimes even the LITTLE WORDS are impossible to find. Once I remember the word TREE—I could “see” the image of a tree in my mind, but not say the word. Sometimes I will say (using tree as an example) “that tall plant that you make lumber out of”—now why can I remember and say such a description but not the WORD? Not sure, but I do know my brain functions differently now since the plane crash. Son D has some of the VERY SAME problems with STM and with word-finding, and of course he also was IN the plane and has PTSD as well, but we have both made concessions to our “problems” and we are patient with each other when we repeat things or lose things. Sometimes we are like “two one-legged men, holding on to each other in order to stand”– BUT I do not know how I would have managed if I had not had him there for me, and vice versa. I feel like Jacob in the Bible, with the “son of my old age.” I may have “lost” Patrick my P-son, and my son C may have been, and still is, a great disappointment to me and not a man I can trust, but God has seen fit to give me the best son, the most upright, honest, bright and caring young man I could ever have hoped to have for the “son of my old age.”


I can vouch for the fact that “Integrity is NOT an average occurrence.” (as you said) In fact, I think that integrity is a RARE occurrence in our world!

Mark Madoff’s widow was on 20/20 tonight, her book about Bernie and the family came out yesterday….the interview was fairly interesting, but she didn’t use the S or P words….but she did firmly state that she and her husband and her BIL were victims of Bernie as much as others. I think if they had identified Bernie as a S/P it would have made her claim to being a victim more apparent.

She’s not living out of the back of her car or on the street, which I think makes some people not have a lot of empathy or sympathy for her—but I believe her story so far (as much of it as I know) and I DO believe that Madoff is a psychopath of the worst order. I don’t think she has to live in a shelter to STILL be a victim of Madoff, even if she still had a fortune, but I do believe that as much as possible, her and Mark’s assets need to go to the OTHER VICTIM’S of Madoff’s schemes.

They said that Mark had received 66 MILLION $$$ from his father—and just like the family of that con woman in Washington who conned the money out of the senile elderly gentleman and gave it to her family—now that she has been PROVEN A CON, the family needs to pony up the money and/or assets that she stole from others and gave to them. I think that Madoff’s family should do likewise, even if it does mean that they DO have to move to a shelter. If Mark’s widow no longer has 66 million dollars worth of assets left, then that may mean she ends up penniless, just like others victimzed by Madoff. The fact that she and her husband didn’t know it was stolen money is beside the point. They took the “gifts” of stolen money so should GIVE back the money they took as “gifts.” If he ALSO stole money from her family in the form of fake investments, then her family will, like all the other victims, recoup their fair share that were recovered assets from the Madoffs. Be interesting to read the book, though.

One of my processes for recovering from life with my husband is to remember who and what I believed before I started giving up wee bits of myself.

I was 20 when it occurred to me that people go their whole lives without hearing what people think of them, and what a waste esp when it’s a nice thing. So I am a weirdo that way, I say when people matter to me, or make a difference for me. You probably understand, when you hold a patients hand as they pass and they tell you what matters, you tend to remember those moments.

If I embarrassed you, I apologize. But I spoke the truth and in this world when jerks want to cut people down, perhaps remembering what others truly think of you should drown out the A’s. We all have too many A’s. Don’t underestimate how much you give and mean and help people, esp here of LF. Think of the kids you might have saved from a pedophile b/c you made sure he didn’t have the easy access he thought he was going to get. As a child of a pedophile, there’s no way for me to put a value on how much saving other children means to me.

There are other posts that have been such help to me. So for others, ya’ll know what I mean. Words that help ya get through the moments of such pain. We’re grateful aren’t we, b/c without LF, those lifelines just didn’t exist for me, and likely not for a lot of others.

All my best

Nah, KatyDid, you didn’t embarrass me and you have NO NEED to apologize for being sweet…I dont’ take compliments nearly as well as I take insults. LOL So THANK you for that heart felt compliment! It means more than you could know. I think the fact that our stories can help someone else cope is about the only kind of meaning that we can get out of this “experience.”

I was talking to a friend tonight on the phone and he and I have done dozens of demos for schools, parks, etc. together through the years and once I had the oxen at a school, and the school had brought in a bus load of people from the nursing home and this lady who was 90 came up and petted “Buck” on the side and said “My daddy used to have a Jersey cow” (Buck was a Jersey steer) and then she said, “I miss my daddy so much”—and that ONE MOMENT in all those days of back breaking labor to load and haul the steers etc made it WORTHWHILE and then some.

I spent some time today with the new doggy, and she is very very smart and so I have decided that she needs to go for certification for a therapy dog. She has that particular personality and calmness that is necessary for a therapy dog, so will see if I can’t arrange for her to be certified. She and my Bud dog have started to play together now, but the inside cat still has her nose out of joint with jealousy and suspicion.

Thanks again, KatyD! (((hugs))))

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