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Man kills wife, but wants to keep their property

A UK man cheated on his wife and then bludgeoned her to death. Still, he sees no reason to give up her share of the property that they owned.

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Let me see- he gets to go out shopping like the other killer we read about recently from England. Why give 7 years; why not probation? And by all means maybe he needs to have them furnish the house while he is in prison since he can’t keep up with it there. If I was a career criminal I would seriously look into moving to England (they are so light on sentencing), just as I always said if I was homeless I would move to Miami or New Orleans. Why stay in Buffalo, N.Y. where it gets -50? It used to be that the only place you could read stories like you post here would be in the National Enquirer, but now these types of stories are as commonplace as the funnies except they are not funny. And his story about him wanting the house for his kid will change when he gets out and cuts her from the will, or purposely burns the house down.

Ox Drover

Dear Teacher,

The Daily Mail is the National Enquirer of The UK to some extent, but the stories are true none the less, just a bit sensationalized in headlines, but still true.

I am shocked at how much worse things are in England as far as crime is concerned and how there are only a little over 100 of all the horrible murderers in the entire country that are in prison really for LIFE. I do understand though, that their long-term prisons are a lot less cushy than most of ours.


Yes…..and please send her life insurance check to me express mail: C/O Prison!

Can someone please explain WHY crime DOESN”T pay?

Ox Drover

EB, sometimes crime DOES PAY look at the Bernie Madoff thing, his family is still not on welfare even though he is in prison.

I saw an article yesterday about a con man age 60 who was living it up on a billion dollar scam with English Cricket players. He was in jail in Houston TX when one of his 14 cell mates in what was most likely a holding cell (said to be meant for 8) got mad at him for being on the phone too long and started beating him. He got beat up pretty well too with facial bones crushed etc.

The photo showed him handcuffed hand and foot as he was being taken to the hospital with one eye practically hanging out. The article also had photos of him at a cricket match in England feeling up the wives of a couple of the players with a BIG smile on his face, and with a huge pile of 20 million cash inside a locked clear box. Yea, he’s down there in the pits at the Houston jail not in the sky box at some event with pretty women on his lap. I guess his gang banger cell mates weren’t impressed by his resume! LOL


Heres the thing about Cluster B’s…..
It’s the “Why NOT” attitude.
What does this guy have to lose?
Why wouldn’t he fight for the house?
The worst thing that can happen is he’s told NO.

Society needs to learn ways to tell these subs NO. All the loopholes in the laws…..shouldn’t matter…..NO!

If society implemented the tools we have to shut these cons down…….make it hard for them to use the money they con, the assets they con……like the IRS…..through the HIGH TECH world we live in with computers etc……they’d be shut down.

If we had to explain HOW we afford to do things, buy things, travel, buy homes, yachts, toys, cars…….living a fancy lifestyle….(like Madoffs family)….I think it’d be a different story.
But the attitude is…..why not…..if I steal/con 80mil dollars, i’ll only spend 7 years in prison, get out and live FAT!
They woulnd’t be able to make what they con in the time served in prison…….so just look at it as dues paid, ‘work’.

We MUST make it hard for these cons to maneuver around, living the high life.

I’ve realized that the spath can move freely around the world…..not working, not filing tax returns….selling dope, conning peeps…….and all the ‘agencies’ which govern you and I DON”T PAY ATTENTION!
Someone besides me in his life…..must start asking…..THE NEXT QUESTION!

Crime does pay…..if you have no remorse or empathy or compassion!

Ox Drover

We could start by killing off 99% of the attorneys that get fat off the law suits from honest people trying to use the Law to protect themselves…..That’s gonna happen, right? ROTFLMAO Choke, snort, snarf, BARF!


And they want to introduce Bear hunting on state lands here….in populated areas… reduce the bear population.

I say….keep the bears, if we are going to be allowed to hunt in populated areas……open up the season on Defense attorneys!

Ox Drover

Dear EB, some of the prosecutors are just as bad, refusing to prosecute the Ps…99% of the attorneys give the other 1% a BAD NAME!!! ROTFLAMO

I have been VERY pleased with my parole attorney, or ANTI-parole attorney as it were.

I go the FINAL presentation in book form nicely bound yesterday and he wanted to know how pleased I was with his services, and I told him 100% + He knows what a psychopath is!!! That right there made him valuable to me.

He seems honest, not greedy, and does what he said he will do when he will do it. Can’t beat that. His specialty is parole, so this was a REVERSE case for what he usually does, but I figured if he knew how to GET someone out on parole he would know what would keep one IN and them NOT get it. He also knows the parole board folks and that is a + thing. There is a lot of stuff goes on “behind closed doors” and also with the parole board knowing he doesn’t go for “bad guys” (he has a 80% get-out of jail record) because he picks his clients well, and does a good job. He refuses to work for a psychopath. The normal rate of convicts who apply for parole who get out on parole in Texas is in the SINGLE DIGITS.

But 60% of those who DO get out on parole go back in 3 years or less with another felony conviction….you’d think they’d quit letting them out to commit another crime. Like that guy in the home invasion who got death sentence today…should never have let the creep out to begin with.

Well, all I can do is to hope and pray that my P son doesn’t get out on parole and gets a 5 year “set off” so that if I have to go back to the parole board it won’t be for 5 years any way. That will help some…he will be 40 in the spring, so if that happens he will be 45 when he comes back up for parole…I’ll be 69 then. I’ll just take it one parole hearing at a time. I think I have about made up my mind to contact the victim’s family AFTER this parole hearing is over. Still going to think about it because I do not want to cause them more pain, but I would like to tell them I support keeping P son in prison forever. Maybe that would help them, I’m not sure. Still going to think and pray about it before I do anything one way or the other.


Yes I agree…..DA’s are WHIMPS….but I still think CDA’s should be taken out FIRST!

I’m glad you have confidence in your ‘guy’! Now DRIVE HIM HOME BABY!

Ive been thinking……I’m hoping your able to keep your balance approaching January….you know the gig. DOn’t let this RULE your world!
I think it’s a good idea your thinking aobut contacting victims family.
Their pain will always be there, and they ‘may’ be the type to just let it all go, since he is in prison, that may be their way of letting it all go and leaving decisions up to whomever makes em after that.
I think it would be valuable to them to know your position.
It may be a good ‘team’ for you to build on.
They may be thinking, you as his mother, is supporting him…..and this may cause them more pain. Kinda like us assuming the spaths family is ‘on’ his side in support……because they disappear and don’t contact us.
(which is fine with me)…..but you get it.

It might be another step in their closure too……being in contact with you, that you support their daughter and SHE is not forgotten.

I’m glad your thinking on that!

Take it one step…..your doing all you can…..keep the balance gf!

Ox Drover

Dear EB,

Actually, I am kind of cool about it all. I read through the police reports that were in with the evidence I had sent to the attorney, my letters and letters from both my boys, and all the letters and other things that P son had sent to the TH-P, the cell phone photos that P son had taken in his cell and e mailed out of the prison to another exconvict…hee hee talk about shooting himself in the foot.

I hadn’t read the police reports before and so was interested in reading them. I knew already most of the information in them so no big shock.

I had forgotten that he DID get out on bail for a month or two in the fall of 1992, someone had put up part of his bail (he said) and he got out but when they didn’t put up the rest of it, he was pulled back in. The police reports said that a bounty hunter (unnamed) had reported to a cop that a “subject” was at some topless bar at about midnight in October 1992, and that bounty hunter had shown cop a photo of subject and the officer had confirmed that there was a murder warrant out on him and as they were talking the subject walked out of the topless bar (he was 20 at the time) and that he was handcuffed and returned to jail.

I had forgotten about him wanting money to rent an apartment while he was out on bond, and I remember I did not send him any and suggested that he might stay with one of his “friends” since his cousin wouldn’t let him come back to her house after a SWAT team had searched the place to find the murder weapon under P-son’s mattress.

The girl’s family are pretty dysfunctional to use the kindest word I can, and the girl had stolen her grandfather’s credit card and had run up thousands of dollars in charges on it (I think she AND P-son were in on that scheme) and when the bills came in she blamed it on P-son and he would have gone back to prison, as he was on parole, and she would have flung herself on grandpa’s mercy (again) she was only 17 and living on her own in an apartment with a female room mate…not totally sure just why, but know there was a lot of chit going on there.

Not that I am blaming her for being the victim of my P-son, she did not deserve to die and she had no way of knowing that she was getting herself in a situation where someone would KILL her over relatively petty credit crime.

P-son had a gun that he had flashed around since he had gotten out of prison (a violation of parole and a felony in itself) and several of his “associates” told the cops that they were afraid of him, and that he had “talked tough” and talked about shooting the girl for several days before he actually lured her out to the sticks supposedly to “go get money from someone to pay off the credit cards.”

When he got out of prison he had NO INTENTION of going straight, or shaping up his life, he immediately got back into crime and violence….and the thing is in a way, I almost feel guilty that it was her he killed instead of me, because I know in my heart if he HAD COME HOME like we gave him the opportunity to, it would have been ME HE KILLED, because I would have confronted him and/or turned him in again. He cannot stand the fact that I turned him in the first time when he was 17. That is a narcissistic injury he will NOT FORGIVE or forget.

The girl’s family would drive by my husband’s niece’s house and the girl’s mother would hang out the window screaming and threatening to burn down the house so I am not too sure how they will receive any contact information from me. If I do it, I will do it through the attorney.

I can understand their grief, my grief for “losing my son” at that time was just as acute as theirs was. I also envied THEM because no one was bringing casserole dishes to my house to comfort me (the mother of the murderer). I would gladly have traded places with her, and put my son in the ground and her child in prison. It would have hurt less. Frankly, I still would trade places with her, but not for the same reason I felt that then.

I don’t want to cause them any more grief though, God knows I don’t want to rip a scab off of their healing by contacting them. I figure they have NOT forgotten their daughter, or even really gotten closure as long as P son is breathing. They will be contacted every time he comes up for parole, and they have the RIGHT BY LAW to appear before the parole board. I hope that they exercise that right at least by sending a letter objecting to the parole.

There is no way that they can know that I hired the attorney or spoke against P-son’s parole, and as far as that is concerned, ONLY the parole board is SUPPOSED to know, but you know how things are, this is such an UNUSUAL thing that I am sure it has been a subject of conversation around the office,

“Say, did you hear about that inmate whose mom hired attorney John Smith to OBJECT to her own son’s parole. Have you ever heard of anything like that before?” “Really??!!! ha ha ha he must have been a baaaad boy!”

I’m not really sure just how much information goes between parole boards and guards/admin of the prison—I know it is difficult to keep a secret of any kind, and if there is a single guard or admin of the prison that knows anything it will get back to the P son eventually. It kind of reminds me of “Stalag 13” that old German prisoner of war camp for American’s comedy on TV in the black and white days. There is nothing that the inmates don’t know. The guards may not know carp but the inmates know everything that goes on. Of course P-son fancies himself a real genius about intel. I’m not sure if he is or not, but I actually suspect he probably is. I think prison has been a PhD for him in conning this last time…at least in that environment.

Oh, well, in the meantime, I can’t do anything but wait and be prepared for either decision and I AM prepared. If he does get out (not likely) there will be enough of a time period between when it is announced and when he actually is released that I can leave on my own terms, and if he doesn’t get out then nothing changes for the time being at least. CAUTION but NOT terror. I’m done with terror, Erin.

I think I probably will decide to contact the family but do it through the attorney as I really don’t know these people and I don’t want them in their grief to turn and attack me…and you never know what people who are injured and hurt will do in response to even a hand held out in empathy and compassion. I can only believe that these poor people have suffered the death of their child by murder and that’s got to be as bad as it gets.

Basically all I can do at this time is to pray for them and their healing. She had no way to know what she was getting herself involved in or with whom. Regardless of anything else she did not deserve to die, and they didn’t deserve to lose a daughter. My P son deserves every day he has spent in prison and I can only hope that him being in prison is some comfort to them.


Hi folks,

It has been a while since I posted. Mainly because I am not the victim of an SPATH and feel a bit like “I don’t have the right to comment”. I don’t know if that makes sense but, there you go.

Having said that, a little correction is in order : the quoted article is the Irish Mail or at least a report from the Irish Mail. The man is question, who I honestly do not know if he is a SPATH or not, lives in Ireland and the properties that are discussed are in Ireland, not England or the UK.

Apart from that, sorry for the correction….


Ox Drover

Dear Nemo,

Actually, glad that you are here and glad for your posts….this is an “equal opportunity blog,” and having a non-effected person here I think is a helpful thing, for both you and the rest of us. You learn how to keep from becoming a victim and give us the unbiased opinion of someone who has so far managed to escape abuse of a psychopath.

As far as the guy being or not being a psychopath, he did kill his wife, so he is probably not a “real sweet guy” to start with, and obviously has some “psychopathic traits” like violence for a starter. The situation article came via Daily mail, but thanks for your correction of venue.

Glad to have you around and back [email protected]! Thanks.


Ox Drover,

Thanks for the positive feedback. I initially found this site because I was convinced a friend of mine was going out with a narcissist/psychopath.

I came across this blog and e-mailed a query to Donna, for her experience, etc.

In any event, my friend decided to stay with him and is just about to have her second kid with him so she made her decision. That may sound cold but, after many discussions, she made up her mind to be with him and be financially secure rather than leaving him and taking a risk.

As she can’t speak English, I couldn’t just show her the site and say “read”…..

Unfortunately, if violence were just a trait of psychopaths, most of us would be labelled as such.

I don’t know the circumstances; I don’t know if his wife gave him hell (not a reason for murder I hesitate to add) and he just flipped, though, if memory serves, it was premeditated.

In any event, one violent act, even murder, does not a psychopath make.

Having said that, my rule of thumb has been, since I care to remember, if anything happens that rings any warning bells, assess the situation and take appropriate action. Appropriate action usually entailing getting out of the persons proximity.

This works for needy people, habitual users, emotional vampires, right through to your average psychopath.

Again, a rule of thumb which has served me well is, show no emotion. People who prey on others, no matter in what capacity, crave that emotional hit. They need to see that they can control you, make you happy, sad, frightened, etc. I believe it is no co-incidence that a correct response (I am not saying it is the only correct one) is to act as you would when confronted by a wild animal or savage dog, stay calm, show no emotion, especially fear, and back away slowly.

Despite my lack of posts, I do read a lot of them and, although it may be a while between posts from me, I am always reading with interest, horror and anger, and, happily, a few times with joy for someone who has beaten the psychopath at his/her own game.


Ox Drover

Dear Nemo,

I am sorry that your friend chose the path she did, but each of us must choose our own path, and sometimes “security” even in slavery is preferable to some people than freedom with the possibility of starvation!

Not every toxic or even every dangerous person is a psychopath, but many that are dangerous are psychopaths. The average score (mean score) of all criminals is 22 on the PCL-R, and 30 is the US accepted score for being a “full fledged” psychopath. In Europe I believe it is 25, so while the “IS or AIN’T” of being a psychopath has a “cut off score” just like being or not being Mentally retarded has a “cut off score” but in actual fact that NUMBER has little meaning. The level of TRAITS of a psychopath can vary significantly from the low end to a serial killer.

Psychopaths are found in street gangs and in corner offices in big corporations and everywhere in between.

Where ever they are found, however, we need to be able to recognize them for what they are, because whether they are on the street, living next door to you, or robbing your bank, in one way or another they are all dangerous.

Glad you are here!

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