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January 20, 2022 at 10:23 am #67135nezzbooParticipant
My sister is involved with a creepy manipulator, and he has verbally attacked me and my sister joined in. There is a man that my sister is seeing who gives off bad vibes and is not nice to be around. He is angry at other people and tries to control everyone around him by imposing his strong views for what he thinks is right. He is lovey dovey to my sister and she is infatuated with him, It is like she has joined a cult worshipping this guy. He has fabricated an incident where I put bleach into the washing up bowl and washed the cups, dishes and cutlery and nearly poisoned him and my sister. Me and Dad just found washing up lquid in the sink as normal with no bleach as alleged, and open bleach bottle where my other sister was going to bleach the toilets. They both had a go at me on the phone after Dad rang them to sort it out saying we love you but we want you to understand what you did was wrong and to just admit it. I did plea guilty just to get them off my back after advice from Dad (This guy was setting me up to get at my Dad) They had a go at me and my Dad as they thought he was protecting me by covering up for me. Me and Dad both know that he has lied and this man wants to have a nice but stern talk with me, he tried to come round today but I was out deliberately. He is bullying and criticising me and Dad, and I have not slept at all last night and am still on edge after that phone call at 11pm last night. We think he is using manipulation to isolate my sister from us (me and Dad) as we are some kind of threat. He seems to be a narcissist/psychopath type person, or at least a person with controlling and manipulative traits. He has also followed and intimidated drivers including a learner driver by following them for miles when they have done something wrong in his eyes. I am mildly autistic and this person has used the fact that I had an OCD cleaning incident involving bleach as previous evidence, and convinced my sister of me being needed to be corrected, despite the fact that said incident must have been about 20 years ago. I am 45 now. My sister has been totally on his side and swept up in this bizarre accusation which he made up to make us look bad and him the saviour or hero? I have not slept and am still anxious and uptight. What should I do about this situation? THis is the weirdest thing he has done but also the sneakiest, but got my sister to join in! The guy is unhinged. I am still reeling from last night and have not properly slept. THere is more background to the story, but you get the jist hopefully?
Best Wishes,
nezboo
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January 20, 2022 at 9:13 pm #67137polestarParticipant
Hi nexboo – what he did with the bleach incident is a combination of gas lighting and a smear campaign. It is gas lighting because of accusing you of doing something that you didn’t do and no matter how you try to defend yourself, he will keep turning it around to act like you did. Then because of the incident, you will feel justifiably wronged and the more you try to defend yourself the more unhinged you will feel. Then he will point to your upset and have his “ proof “ that something is wrong with you. It can also be called simply “ putting you on the defensive. “ The main plan in gas lighting is to make the person ( you ) start to doubt your own mental health and have less and less confidence in yourself to the point that the target will actually begin to have psychological problems but the problems were all caused by relating in any way with the sociopath. That is why it is important to get away from him. The next step is the smear campaign because even if you are very mentally strong and don’t doubt yourself, they will say all kinds of lies about you to turn those who were close to you to turn them against you, or to get them to doubt you. So he is doing all of these things against you and your dad. You are right about his wanting to isolate your sister from her own family. He is very dangerous. By staying in the situation, you will be harmed one way or another by him, and you will not be able to help your sister since you are under attack yourself. The best advise I can give you is to move out ( it sounds like you and your dad and your sister all live together ). Even if it is to live for awhile with a different relative. I don’t know your financial situation in relation to your dad or sister, but it is essential for you to withdraw from the living situation and from your sister and her toxic boyfriend. If you are concerned about your sister, realize that if she comes to realize that he is a predator, she would be able to turn to you for support – but only if you are not in the situation. So the bottom line is that you need to go No Contact with her boyfriend and living where you are is giving him the opportunity to manipulate the circumstances as he did with the bleach scenario. He will find other ways to keep that up and make your life a living hell. Another idea would be if your father could stand up to him and tell him that he is not allowed in the house. But as I said, it is difficult to make an informed recommendation when I don’t know the specifics of your living situation. If you wish to post more and explain I would be very happy to try to help problem solve with you. Meanwhile keep up your personal strength knowing that he is very psychologically sick, and that is no reflection on you.
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January 20, 2022 at 9:22 pm #67138polestarParticipant
PS – my suggestion about his wanting to have a talk with you, is to go No Contact with him and that means in no way talk to him at all. And do not be in the same room with him ( if he comes in, you leave ). Completely stay away from him. If he makes accusations against you via other people just say that you do not want to hear any messages from him at all or anything that he has to say.
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January 21, 2022 at 12:33 am #67140polestarParticipant
PPS – Hi again nezzboo –
I just thought of a few other important things : 1. If he comes to the door and no one is home but you – keep it locked and do not open it. And if someone else is home – let them deal with him. I think you would be in danger if you were alone with him in your house.
2. About pleading guilty about the bleach incident. You were coerced into confessing to doing something that you did not do. That was a serious accusation that your sister’s boyfriend made against you and it could have further repercussions because you plead guilty. I am thinking that you could reverse this. However, I am not versed in legal matters, but you can email Donna directly on the contact page at Love Fraud and ask her if she thinks that you should make a statement to the police about your innocence re the bleach incident, and if you should file a complaint about his harassment towards you. Donna would know the best course of action about that. You could also call an abuse hotline and ask them, because an accusation like that against you was abusive and you don’t want him to be able to use it against you at some point.
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January 21, 2022 at 6:43 am #67141Donna AndersenKeymaster
Nezzboo – As Polestar said, the guy is trying to isolate your sister from you and your father. And yes, she is under his spell, as if she were in a cult.
This is a very difficult situation, because you and your father should stay away from the guy, BUT you should also maintain contact with your sister.
I suggest that you and your father talk to your sister. Explain that you love her, will always love her, but you refuse to be abused by the guy. She is welcome to visit but he is not.
Know that your interpretation of the situation is correct, he is a manipulator and you did nothing wrong. This is very painful, but you may just need to wait until your sister comes to her senses. Then, do your best to help her escape him.
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January 24, 2022 at 8:53 am #67149sept4Participant
Yes in that situation I would tell my sister that I love her and that she is welcome anytime but that I will not have any contact with her boyfriend.
I would tell her I think her boyfriends is manipulative, dishonest, angry, and controlling and that he likely has a personality disorder. I would tell her that I understand she is happy with him now but that he is love bombing her which is a known precursor to abuse.
And I would tell her I understand if she wants to take a break from our relationship but that she is welcome back anytime once the guy discards her or abuses her. Tell her I love her and I understand her situation but there is no compromise as I do not wish to have the guy in my own life at all.
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