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January 27, 2024 at 9:51 am #71479desigirl57Participant
I am sharing a terrible experience I had in the context of arranged marriage. For context, I live in the EU, have traveled around the world, hold a prestigious job, and have a Ph.D. My parents live in a big city in India, handling the shaadi.com matrimonial website profile. They found a match, let’s call this person P. P lives in the US, his parents live in India (in a different state, so a different mother tongue). He has exactly the same profile as me, a little older, but was just getting his Ph.D. at that point and had a good job. My father spoke to his father, they called back and wanted us to talk. So P and I talked. We discovered that we have mutual friends – colleagues – because we come from the same field of work, and there was an instant spark. The first call went for 3 hours, and then I insisted on keeping the phone because it was getting late.
He kept on calling in the following weeks, which led to him saying he has had tremendous amounts of emotions for me since the first call. While this information ought to fill me with joy, I suddenly became taken aback. Arranged marriage is not supposed to be like this, too good to be true. I wish I had listened to my hunch then.
When I would not pick up his call, he would call again in the next few hours, drop me messages, etc. He was good at talking, extremely attentive. The calls became a daily affair, 2 hours a day, all about finding out how compatible we are, planning our future, kids, etc.
One thing I remembered and that struck me later was that he was very stuck up on good cop/bad cop parenting style where I, as his wife, was supposed to play the bad cop. I was not very fond of the idea but did not say much. Later read that this parenting style is highly criticised by child psychologists and are apparenting used as a method by controlling spouse to turn the kids against the bad cop.
Meanwhile, I was supposed to travel to the US for a work trip, and he asked me to visit him. I originally thought we would meet somewhere in the middle, but he said he wanted to show me where he worked and meet his colleagues. My parents said it is probably a better idea as well since it is a better way to verify this man and his job. His dad and my dad spoke again, and his family said they have no qualms at all; the only thing that matters is that we like each other. P and I spoke, and it boiled down to finding out if we are attracted to each other in person – not just the phone calls and FaceTime – and figuring out how we sort the long distance. Both of us were happy to compromise a little and move to the US – maybe to a different location and then come back to India in the future. I told P on the first call that it is very unlikely that I will get a job that I like in his city, but I can apply. If that is his only choice, we shouldn’t continue this. He vehemently disagreed and said he is very, very open to moving as well.
Cool.
We meet, he comes to fetch me from the airport. I stayed at his place – he said there were multiple bedrooms – there were, but what he didn’t mention was that it was a shared house, there was no guest room, he had roommates. Well, we end up doing the obvious, but it was a little unexpected for me, although completely consensual. What else can you expect when two people talking about getting married for 3 months ended up liking each other in person and there is just one bed.
Now the conversations start. He suddenly mentions he wants to live with his parents (every day 2 hours call for months, no mention of this before) and if I earn any less than him, I should do all the housework. Huge red flags; should not have been ignored. I get a growing gut feeling that verges on being uneasy. One afternoon while he was at work, I went for coffee alone and came back with an Uber. When he found out, he was extremely petulant and said, “Why didn’t you ask me to pick you up, so you don’t need a man, do you?!” I was too taken aback to respond to this. Again, red flag; should not have ignored.
He also shows me pictures of his ex-girlfriends and one girl he said he was again set up in arranged marriage but never met. I get a bit suspicious of the timeline, as the last girl feels like it was only 2-3 months before I entered the picture. He brushes it off, saying she did not want to move from Florida to Seattle, and hence he rejected her. Again, there was something off in the story; apparently, this girl worked in software, getting a job in the same field could not have been a problem.
He sees me off as I travel to another city in the US for my work trip; the send-off is extremely romantic. He keeps calling the next two weeks as I am in the US, asking me if I liked him and saying he really, really liked me. The relationship, from being flirty, now becomes serious (and cheesy).
I return to the EU, and the day after I reach home, we chat over the phone as per usual. By now, I am getting a tad uneasy that his parents haven’t called my parents after the visit. He tells me he is visiting the EU for work the very next week and I should visit him. The place is 3 hours by flight from my hometown. He said that I can tell my parents. The very next day, when we are on a call, and I am about to book the flights, he says, “Please don’t tell home now. I won’t either; they will ask soo many questions.” This was too big a red flag for me to ignore; I told him that I am not going if the parents are not told. He gets very, very angry. This man, the one I saw before, was extremely polite, very soft-spoken, but that moment, even over the call, it felt like his anger will burn me. But he said okay. And his dad called my dad, asking me to come and see him. I booked the tickets, but he doesn’t call me for the next two days. The first time in 4 months, he went like this. The silent treatment, a classic sign of emotional abuse. Later he told me he had to do this because “otherwise you won’t learn.”
On the third day, I call him. He says he has been very busy but calls me the very next day asking me to extend my trip to visit him for another 3 days so that he can take me up to visit some more places. I flat out refuse. My tickets were booked and non-refundable. And I am suspicious of him. Very.
We met again; I stayed with him in the hotel. But now I start observing him minutely. He starts softly putting down my work, saying I should shift from academia to industry. I love my work and have been very upfront about it from the beginning; so this comes as a surprise for me. He then keeps pushing about having kids soon and says – “It is not for me; you don’t have much time given your age.” I am 30, for context, in excellent shape, look much younger, and have no illnesses, and he is 31. I still keep my calm. Then, at the last dinner, he suddenly, very contemptuously, throw at me, “can you make rotis” (a type of flat-bread, this is known to be a very demeaning question to ask a working girl in arranged marriage)? He was not joking.That, ladies and gentlemen, was the last straw for me.
Had he not actually been sitting in front of me, I would not have believed it was the same person I “knew” for 4 months. The contempt, the expression. He could see the anger in my eyes, and before I could speak, says, “This overreaction is also being noted,” in a low voice of threat. I throw caution in the air and basically, politely, tell him this has finally crossed a boundary for me. He then tries to cover up, saying maybe it is a cultural difference, and I come from a more liberal part of India. Anyhow, I tell him, he has many friends and ex-girlfriends from my region, and 4 months and two trips later, he really needs to decide if he wants this. He says let’s finalize everything in a week. He tried to be sweet and have sex when we returned; I turned him down. I could not. A hug was okay, but I was sensing something menacing.
I get back, he continues the sweet talk for a week, the usual. Then when I tell him if he has spoken to his parents, he says let’s do it next week. I suddenly find him prowling shaadi.com.
Meanwhile, I get a job opportunity in his city. I call to tell him; he sounds very excited. But somehow I start to find him phony and decide to ask some mutual friends about him. While 3 said they don’t know him personally well enough, one said, “I hope you haven’t said yes to him yet. Stay under the same roof for a month with him before even daring to decide. Being a playboy is one thing but this guy is dangerous.” Another friend comes back saying he is well known to dupe women, saying that he is in love with them to make them sleep with him. Another friend told me that once his parents insulted an American girl, saying she can never be their daughter-in-law, after she learned their language and stayed with the guy in spite of him straying. In short, a very bad case history, from people who ACTUALLY knew him. Others, his mask of sanity is impeccable.
My dad calls his dad, and he says his son has not told him anything concretely yet. That week, he again disappears “with his friends” for two days for a trip, dropping me a text every day (classic breadcrumbing) and finally calls me. I behave as if nothing has changed. The next day, I dumped him. Written, over text. He calls, very angry, accuses me of seeing 100 men, accuses me of not understanding he has a tremendous workload at the moment, saying everything was fine yesterday, and I spoiled a chance of “us” being forever. I keep my calm.
Anyway, I am off for a one-month field trip with very patchy internet. Coming back, I heard that my parents and his parents saw each other when my dad was in their city for a work trip. His parents had no idea that I have dumped him. They begged forgiveness with folded hands, but I suspect it was to save their mask. They say that they did not interfere. But again, I suspect it is not sheer callousness on his parents’ part; there is something more insidious. Maybe my career was too much of a threat; not sure, but I feel they maybe realized he was heading towards me, and they tried to push him towards “a better-matched” doormat. Probably something akin to his American ex (he kept on saying that I was so much like her, again a red flag. He could never give me a plausible reason as to why they broke up since she was so awesome. And his ever-changing reason from “she was so good in her career why does she need me,” “I wanted to return to India, she agreed to come with me but I did not want her,” etc., did not make sense). His dad calls my dad the next day and says apparently his son is now saying that he dumped me, saying that we are incompatible. My dad forwards him the screenshot where I dump him.
In short, I realize I have dodged a huge bullet. He is rotten, and so is his family. However, the dangerous part is that an outsider would not have guessed anything. They are immensely polite, come across as modern and with high values. None of this is true. Outsiders would not know that these people are capable of essentially what is emotional abuse. He juggles multiple women at the same time, putting the classic love bombing – devalue – discard cycle. He has done that before and has been doing this in an arranged marriage scenario as well.
One good thing was after my parents unmasked him, and his parents said sorry with folded hands, his profile has been deactivated from shaadi.com. No doubt he will return and have already collected victims, but a temporary hiatus might have saved some more girls.
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January 29, 2024 at 7:43 pm #71515Donna AndersenKeymaster
Desigirl57 – I am so sorry for your experience, but I am glad that you escaped before you married the guy. Thank you very much for sharing your story.
You might be interested in our recent podcast, “Fast and Deceptive — a Marriage Scam.” It is also about an arranged marriage. Unfortunately, the young lady went through with the marriage and had two children. But she did eventually escape.
- This reply was modified 10 months ago by Donna Andersen.
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January 30, 2024 at 4:18 am #71519desigirl57Participant
Thank you so much Donna for taking your time to read through my story and sharing Mariam’s. There are many of us who fall in this cultural trap that does not get discussed due to societal “shame” (which is blatant misogyny). Social power in certain communities is still very lopsided.
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January 30, 2024 at 10:49 am #71521funluvmusic25Participant
desigirl57; I found your story to be so intriguing and well detailed. The cultural piece that was part of your story was also very enlightening. As you started your journey you had no idea it could become so intense and complicated. When things did not seem to add up and you found personality changes in your match you admirably started to pay close attention to the red flags. Most of us ignore them because we want to see what we want to see or we think they will magically become the Prince Charming we want them to be. The longer we’re away from them the stronger we become and clarity takes over. Everyone’s story is different, yet in the end most of their traits are uniquely similar. Their masks start to slip and we become privy to who they really are. In many cases our loss can be a financial one, but the most challenging loss is the emotional loss. That takes much strength and a lot of time to recover from.
You sound like you are in a good place post breakup. I have to wonder if knowing we were the ones to get out helps in our recovery rather than being discarded? No matter which way it ends we can be thankful to have our sanity back. Given our experience, we definitely will pay close attention to the next person we become involved with!
Wishing you all the best in your healing and journey going forward!
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January 30, 2024 at 11:31 am #71523desigirl57Participant
Dear funluvmusic25, Thank you so much.
What helped me were four things –
1) I am very emotional but professionally I am a physicist, trained at finding patterns and have travelled quite a bit. Experience with life, helped. When things did not match up, I could not un-notice it, although kept my mouth shut a little longer because I wanted it to be the “real love”.
2) I have seen blatant and hidden misogyny in the south asian community and the world-wide physics community at large as well. Working in a very male dominated subject and coming from a male dominated part of the world (albeit probably the most liberal city of India), made me very conscious of struggles of working women. This man earned more because he left academia for industry. My CV is much stronger than him, and if I go to industry or he came back to academia, he would not have dared make such statements. His snide remarks on theoretical astrophysics being useless for humans to soft pressures of making me shift to industry did not sit well. While initially he showed that he was very supportive and we did bond over our work, that started subtly changing to remarks that if women are too passionate in such demanding jobs, family would be ignored. Never outright, but the theme could not be unmissed. He dug his own grave there.
3) My gut feeling. While he was sweet, attentive, charming etc etc, as well as handsome, something – just something – when I was with him, made me a tad uneasy. Not always, maybe just a couple of times. But that nagging voice kept telling me he is not who he is trying to show. Maybe micro-expressions or maybe something that the 5 senses picked up unconsciously.
4) Friends and family immensely supported me. I was shattered even making the decision, cognitive dissonance is still high, but friends kept reminding me that I escaped at the first go. Incredibly grateful.I still went through lots and lots of doubts after no contact. But then I think of the girl who was surely unceremoniously dumped before me. Or every other girl. Such a man must leave a trail of destruction on his way. His impeccable has mask saved him so far, but those few guessed behind it knew. One day, I am sure he may go too far and that woman will give his nonsense back to him. Even if he marries a very submissive girl, she surely cannot stay like that forever. One day she will realize and stand up. I took it very personally as a woman, as these type of men who shouts to be very open minded but are actually misogynists harms our society the most.
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January 30, 2024 at 12:09 pm #71524funluvmusic25Participant
desigirl57; You touched on something that hit home with me- a trail of destruction they leave behind. My ex-N loved to hear himself talk and shared many stories of past relationships. There were many that came before me and I’m sure many during and after our relationship. It was almost a sense of pride bragging about his conquests who all, according to him, had mental issues, too much baggage or whatever he would use as an excuse to make himself look like the righteous one. Red flags were there, yet again perhaps I could be the one he prized the most. I find my intelligent brain asking how I could have not run for the hills?!
Thankfully, I had enough and witnessed his mask slip and I unceremoniously exited without warning. In the beginning I questioned my actions thinking if only I could have been more understanding or patient. I finally realized after much time and clarity that this would have never worked for me. Although I get stuck for a bit when he has attempted contact, I continue to rely on my intelligent brain and a sense of smugness knowing I outsmarted him!
Thank you so much for sharing your story and the four things that have gotten you through everything. As you stated some things you just can’t unhear or unsee. -
January 30, 2024 at 12:20 pm #71525desigirl57Participant
Oh dear dear. This guy was exactly the same!!! In a way obsessed about some of his ex-s. Kept showing me their pictures (much like shoving his phone under my nose), and pressuring me to show mine (I had to dig up my first love’s wedding video as this guy kept nagging me to somehow find a photo and I haven’t seen this ex for a decade). I found this very weird as well. And when he would talk about them, in some way, it felt like he has kept them in a compartmental-ized collection. It was not upfront bragging for him, more like a collector displaying his prized possessions from a glass cupboard. And boy oh boy, he was fixated on my ex-s as well. I think with their NPD and ASPD working together, in some way they keep their idealised snapshots in mind. He never bad mouthed a single ex, always said good things about most. So that was very interesting as well, I took it as a green flag initially. But the fixation with my past and his did strike a little weird.
These sociopaths all behave in a similar pattern, you are so correct.
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