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February 24, 2021 at 2:54 pm #65321funluvmusic25Participant
I’ve recently experienced bouts of emotional sadness thinking back on some of the tender moments my ex sociopath provided. This was not just in the love bombing initial stages, but over the course of our 7 year relationship. I think this is what kept me in the relationship feeling somewhere within him was a compassionate human being. Now that I’m removed from the chaos I have to ask myself if I would feel the same emotional sadness when he blatantly lied, manipulated or went MIA for two weeks at a time? Would I have felt the same tenderness if we actually lived together and he was draining me financially?
When I pose these questions to myself I realize the emotional part of my brain has to defer to the logical part of my brain in order to survive my trauma bonding. It is a lesson I need to practice on a regular basis in order to remain strong and continue NC. Logic has a way of making sense of what is and there is no room for emotion when dealing with the aftermath of a sociopath because that is exactly what they rely on – our emotional side.
I might be preaching to the choir, yet as I’m organizing the compartments in my heart and my brain I thought it might be helpful to pass my “ah, ha” moment along.
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February 25, 2021 at 10:39 am #65324Donna AndersenKeymaster
Funluvmusic – Perhaps this will help: Remember that all of the “tender moments” your ex provided were fake. It was a charade. He was play acting, with the objective of keeping you on the line.
You, however, didn’t know at the time that it was fake, so your reaction was real. You were truly loving, whereas he was manipulating.
There’s nothing wrong with feeling emotional sadness now. In fact, I recommend that you allow yourself to feel it as deeply as possible. You need to grieve it, grieve the profound betrayal. That’s where the real pain lies.
It’s by feeling, grieving and then releasing your emotional pain that you truly heal.
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February 25, 2021 at 1:56 pm #65331funluvmusic25Participant
Thank you, Donna. It does help to have another perspective. It is so challenging to separate his fake manipulation from my real feelings. I feel most of our normal behaviors cannot fully understand how someone can fake emotions because to us ours are so real. It sometimes scares me to feel my emotional sadness so deeply as I start to feel compelled to reconnect with him and that is the last thing I need. Grieving the profound betrayal and feeling the enormous emotional sadness puts me in a place of longing for it all to be good and real. As much as I want to, I’m not sure I have the tools to feel, grieve and release the pain. I read, post, journal, and talk out loud to myself, yet the sadness always seems to surface. A break-up with a sociopath is unlike any other…..an addiction. Hopefully, time is the key. As I refocus and get stronger my memories will get more distant.
I will say this site has helped me more than I imagined. Knowing others have survived gives me hope. Thank you!
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February 25, 2021 at 6:52 pm #65332sept4Participant
Hi funluv, yes I still have these emotions too even though my breakup was many years ago and I grieved deeply for many years and I did extensive counseling and self help reading etc.
I don’t know if that ever really goes away. Although I am still single and very lonely so I think that also keeps me stuck in the past.
I’m curious whether other readers who have moved on to healthy relationships still feel these emotions about their sociopath ex. Or if they were able to completely let go emotionally once they found a new healthy partner who actually genuinely loves them.
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February 25, 2021 at 8:02 pm #65334funluvmusic25Participant
Hello, sept4. Thank you for your feedback. You pose a good question regarding letting go of these chronic emotions should survivors of a sociopathic relationship move on to a healthy relationship. I’m guessing it would be easier given there is no longer the huge empty void we are left with.
Right now I have no desire to date and feel my level of distrust would hamper having a normal relationship. That said, I’m alone with my thoughts and emotions which makes it more difficult during times like these. The one take away from all of this is the realization that I do need an emotional connection in a relationship. I thought my ex spoke from his heart, yet I now know it was fake, however I realize honest vulnerability is very important to me. Looking back at the men I dated this element was missing- some would rather have a sharp stick to their eye before being vulnerable and others deflected tough conversations with jokes. When I met my ex the vulnerable piece was what drew me to him and that is what I’m missing now.
Even though I ended it I’m still sad and I hate the fact that there is no closure. I guess I want him to hurt as much as I am, but we all know that’s like asking for a miracle that will never happen.
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February 25, 2021 at 8:42 pm #65335thesmithsParticipant
Hi all,
I feel the same sadness at being conned, too, and haven’t dated. It’s a lonely place I know.
The intensity of my pain has decreased since the divorce over four years ago. I thought it would hurt forever.
You certainly deserve closure and deserve to feel angry about not getting it. Any decent guy would apologize and explain. I’m sorry you never got it.
My problem passed away. He was sorry about hurting me but would never admit what he did or explain. Ridiculous.
It’s natural to want revenge. I still want it too. Time heals all wounds. Time wounds all heels. 🙂
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February 26, 2021 at 8:37 pm #65342sept4Participant
Yes I struggle with all the same emotions even after many years of NC. I still ruminate every day over the past.
However I really do think a big part of that is loneliness. I think if I met someone new who genuinely loved me and was genuinely emotionally present, I would heal from the pain from the past. Love heals.
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February 26, 2021 at 9:24 pm #65344funluvmusic25Participant
sept4 & the smiths- I would agree, there are more days that I ruminate than I care to admit, yet I’m also finding there are days where my ex doesn’t enter my mind at all. When this happens I have to actually remind myself that the entire day went by and I didn’t think of him once. That makes me feel really good! Hoping they will soon outnumber the crappy days.
When we think about our loneliness and isolation especially with COVID and all, imagine the loneliness of the sociopath who doesn’t have a soul?! They are really the lonely ones mirroring a life they will never truly have.
Love is healing and it all starts with self love, which in turn will draw good people into our lives. ❤️
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February 27, 2021 at 10:55 am #65345funluvmusic25Participant
sept4- You have touched on feeling like you did not stand up to your ex and you think about the past often. From what you described about feeling threatened by your ex, you did the very best you could for the sake of your own survival. You can take back your power by not allowing him to control your daily thoughts. I know it is easy for someone else to say and it may sound a bit cliche, yet if we keep looking back we miss what’s ahead of us.
I agree, being single can get lonely at times however there is much joy to be had in our friends, family and simple day to day things. We get to choose what we want to do without the intimidation of our ex and that is our reward! I try to be grateful for what I have and not focus on what I don’t have. Hopefully, after COVID subsides I’d like to do some volunteering. I think it would help take the focus off myself.
Be good to yourself and indulge in a good book, a good cup of coffee, a long walk with nature or just a nice quiet moment……do what is good for you and good for your soul. We are all walking this journey, bumpy roads and all, yet I’m certain there will be good times ahead for all of us kind, caring and compassionate beings that we are.
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February 27, 2021 at 12:36 pm #65348thesmithsParticipant
Sept4, we all want and deserve a great partner. It’ll come but it takes time. It takes kissing a lot of frogs though. (I don’t like fairy tales and princesses looking for a prince to rescue them – that notion does a lot of harm to women. However the frog analogy is on the money.)
COVID has severely limited dating and new friendships. Vaccine distribution is getting better. The number of infections & deaths has decreased a lot. I think we can see the light at the end of the tunnel. That’s something positive as we go forward! 🙂
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February 27, 2021 at 1:33 pm #65349sept4Participant
Thank you both Funluv and Smiths for your kind words!
Smiths OMG YES the Disney Prince Charming fairy tale story causes girls and women so much harm!! It teaches girls that a handsome charming man who falls in “love” with you is the perfect man who will save them and give them an amazing life. PERFECT archetype story for sociopaths to play into and put on that Prince Charming mask to hide their true character. It’s like Disney set young girls up to fall for the sociopath love fraud con.
Disney finally seems to have gained some understanding of that dangerous dynamic with the Prince Hans character in Frozen I. A handsome charming charismatic prince who “falls in love with” (a/k/a targets) Princess Anna to use her to gain power over the Kingdom. This is the sociopath archetype and I am so glad that Disney included that character as a teaching moment.
Here is a descriptions copied from online fan site describing his sociopath strategies:
Hans is a physical representation of a silent killer. With a noble demeanor, he presents himself as someone others can trust and confide—a best friend, a significant other, or a reputable authority figure. By establishing himself as someone of virtue, Hans is able to observe his opponents and examine their deepest insecurities, which he would later use against them as a means of advancing his goals. These false impressions won over Anna, and the entirety of Arendelle, thus allowing Hans to seize the throne without giving any premonition of regicide.
Hans has several motivating factors to his schemes. Firstly, he has a selfish sense of entitlement, remorselessly believing it is his right to be king even if it means usurping someone else’s throne. Secondly, he genuinely craves respect and recognition, having been denied both as a child. Lastly, Hans is power-hungry as he covets kingship and gets a twisted sense of pleasure from having someone’s submission—as was the case with a vulnerable and deathly ill Anna.
Hans’ most powerful asset is quite possibly his vast intelligence and incredible ability to lie, dissemble, and manipulate. He is proven to be quick-thinking, resourceful, and extremely diligent. However, unlike many Disney villains, Hans constantly has to change his plot accordingly with the shifting events that take place in the film without letting loose his villainous nature. This is indeed an interesting challenge for a Disney villain to tackle, thus adding to his level of intelligence, as he comes dangerously close to achieving his goal in spite of unstable circumstances.
Cold and cruel, Hans has a sympathetic origin, but lacks any characteristics one could call redeeming. Instead, he apathetically views others as mere stepping stones to his grand plans, and will callously lie, cheat, and kill his way into a position of sole power, regardless of the casualties made along the way.
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February 28, 2021 at 7:55 pm #65358thesmithsParticipant
Sept4, Thanks for this synopsis. It sounds like Donna was the consultant on this movie. It sums up the sociopath perfectly!
I plan to watch this. It would be healing to see this played out on video.
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March 2, 2021 at 11:33 am #65374inaParticipant
Ohh, my…. this is me… I can only function with Citalopram at the moment because the depression is too intense. How can I want someone who is so bad for me? I cant comprehend how my rationale self can understand he is bad for me , yet my emotional side craves for his attention. I hope that time heals my pain
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March 2, 2021 at 12:16 pm #65375funluvmusic25Participant
ina91- I couldn’t agree with you more…….craving someone who is so bad for us. The emotional healing seems to take so much longer. I keep hearing about being a target if you are lonely, yet when I met my ex sociopath I was not lonely at all. I was dating a “normal” guy who was interested in me, yet when Mr. Sociopath came along he made the “normal” guy look small in comparison and I was hooked. I was still working, had good friends, so the lonely theory did not seem to apply to me. Perhaps wanting to be loved which was fake and have all the attention (love bombing) was something that I wanted, yet having gone through a divorce I didn’t want another marriage either.
Sometimes I look at it like a scene from a bad movie- you have happy and healthy school age kids merrily on their way home from school when a drug dealer on the corner entices them with some “candy.” The kids find themselves liking what the candy magically does to them and before you know it these happy and healthy kids are strung out on drugs. By the time their parents suspect something, the drug dealer has moved on to another corner peddling his “candy” to other unsuspecting happy and healthy kids.
To this day I still have my emotional cravings and when that happens I feel I am more lonely now than when I met my sociopath….go figure?! Hopefully, the “time heals all” adage will prove true……in time. Be kind to yourself and good luck with your journey.
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March 2, 2021 at 12:36 pm #65376thesmithsParticipant
Ina, am so sorry. It is very hard for me to comprehend how I could be in a relationship with one and put up with the abuse for almost 20 years. It was like I was under a spell.
Be gentle on yourself. This is a normal reaction to crave an ex who’s a sociopath after a break up. Again, and I know you know, no contact is paramount to breaking the trauma bond that his smooth talking and lies caused. It does get better. It takes time and persistence. (((Hugs)))
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March 2, 2021 at 12:54 pm #65377thesmithsParticipant
Funluvmusic,
Yes, I wasn’t interested in my late ex-h at all when we met. I wanted to date other guys. I had some dates, but this platonic “friend” was so nice and caring. He seemed better than my dates.
Maybe it’s red flags that we need to watch out for at all times. We are human – we all get lonely or if not fall for a charming guy by mistake. Nothing wrong with that. We need to be on guard for those predators who cast a wide net for multiple victims. It’s not something we’re taught as Donna has mentioned. We are supposed to be nice and believe all people are good deep down. We’ve all have wisely learned the hard way it’s not true!
I wanted to let you know you’re not alone here. I feel lonelier now than ever, too. 🙁
It’s like an intense, very long school course. You like the subject but it’s so much work and so painful to study so hard. Maybe the analogy doesn’t fit for you. I don’t know. I want to meet nice people. I wish it would happen some point soon.
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March 2, 2021 at 1:06 pm #65381thesmithsParticipant
Funluvmusic,
I misread your message. That’s why my reply has been edited quite a few times. Sorry!
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March 2, 2021 at 4:58 pm #65387funluvmusic25Participant
thesmiths- Yes, it would be fun to meet nice normal people again. For me I think I’m still unsure of myself given it’s only been 4-5 months of NC. I feel I need to get stronger and start to know myself a bit better. Even though I get lonely and would love some male companionship I try to concentrate on how much better my life is than my ex sociopath…..that brings me some satisfaction. He has no conscience, no guilt, no remorse and no soul. How can anyone be happy living like that? I, on the other hand, can take satisfaction in the fact that everything I put forth was real and that part of me will not change. I’m not going to turn into an unfeeling person just because of my ex……I will definitely be more cautious and look for the red flags, but I will always be real and that is his loss.
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