Accusations against Marilyn Manson

sept4 – Stories like these are compelling because of their stardom and the media attention. I do feel more and more stories like these are making headlines and bringing attention to these disordered personalities. R. Kelly comes to mind as another narcissistic disordered personality.

Thanks for sharing this information!

sept4- You’ve done a great job of covering all of the bases listing the graduating phases of a relationship with disordered personalities. It’s a step by step look at how everything evolves. I think you have the makings of a very informational book in your hands!

Although this would make a great piece of work, I would agree with you that it needs to go beyond the bookshelves. It needs to be brought forth in another format or venue so it can reach the wider community in a campaign as you suggest. Perhaps in a documentary on one of the major networks such as CNN.

One thing I will add in my personal assessment of the narcissistic personality is that I really feel they are very insecure human beings. Why would anyone need their ego boosted like they do if they actually had a healthy sense of self worth? My ex used to tell me “that I was a good woman and I would be good for him.” To that I replied, “do you think my attributes will rub off on you?”

They prey on not only kind, caring and empathetic people, but people who are successful, financially stable and have good relationships with their family. This again, makes them look good and feel less insecure and more confident. I truly believe a deep seated insecurity lurks within them and contributes to their disordered personality.

sept4- Just watching MSNBC and their recap of today’s portion of the Impeachment Trial. One guest was discussing Trump’s lack of remorse and comparing it to a sociopath.

He went on to say that he has no soul. He also said with a dereliction of duty any normal person knows what the duty is. With Trump and his sociopath personality he sees no duty, takes no responsibility and has no remorse.

In the last 4 years I have always compared Trump’s personality to a narcissistic sociopath much like my ex. I’ve also worked for a sociopath who was very successful, yet like Trump would fire anyone who did not agree with him or was not loyal and would also not pay his attorneys if he felt they were not defending him the way he thought they should which included lying for him. I’ve often said to my former colleagues Trump and my boss could have been twins separated at birth.

I hope my reference to Trump is not offending anyone’s political viewpoint. That is certainly not my intention, rather I’m acknowledging what I recognize from my past experiences.

sept4- I agree, it is not coming from any particular political affiliation on my part, merely recognizing some very similar personality traits.

I feel it is a big accomplishment given my relationship with my ex. I’m now able to zero in and recognize disordered personalities.

There is another TV reality personality on Married at First Sight on the Lifetime channel who has a distinct narcissistic sociopathic personality. Kind of an ah, ha moment for me to notice these types now. Hoping my instincts will serve me well going forward.

Hi guys,

I thought this came out a few years ago, but it was speculation about him being the reason she was instrumental in getting this CA state law passed:

https://www.vulture.com/2019/10/evan-rachel-woods-domestic-violence-bill-signed-into-law.html

He always seemed so creepy – his talent isn’t in his music (mediocre, IMHO)but in his shock value of monster makeup & stage name. It’s like the hallmark of a personality disordered individual to try to get adulation and lots of money for doing not much except shocking you. Maybe am reading too much into it.

Sorry if the following is a repeat. Mandy Moore outed her ex-husband Ryan Adams as being an emotional abuser, undermining her career and a prolific cheater. He pretended to help up & coming very young female musicians (some under 18) with their careers only to use and toss.

http://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/13/arts/music/ryan-adams-women-sex.html

(Never mind! The NYT is strange about which stories they hide behind their paywall.)

Here’s a story about James Franco seducing underage girls.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/01/10/the-brewing-james-franco-sexual-misconduct-scandal-explained/

Adams’ & Franco’s careers took a hit, but believe the burden of proof wasn’t met to lock up these two monsters for a long time.

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Sept4, Yeah, I read it the day when the story broke. Am hoping something will come of it beyond him, but kind of doubt it.

I would love to see more national exposure and education regarding disordered personalities. Unless you’ve had an experience or are in the field of therapy most have no idea the ramifications these personalities can have on unsuspecting victims.

Besides the websites and numerous books out there I would like to see a national campaign similar to the “Me Too” movement to educate and support the masses. Most of us don’t realize what has happened until after the fact and at that point the damage has been done.

I feel there is a huge community that could come together and bring an awareness to this devastating topic.

As I read the many posts on this site as well as vent with my own venting I’ve often wondered if there are seminars or retreats out there to support us? Perhaps Donna could weigh in on this? I’m all about self-help and would definitely consider traveling to a seminar and /or retreat. There is power in numbers!

sept4- I agree and have heard that most couple therapists do not recognize all of the signs of disordered personalities and the sociopath manipulates the therapist same as he manipulates his partner. Reasoning with the disordered personality is fruitless.

I previously worked among many therapists at an eating disorder residential program. They were among the few that actually understood the co-morbid diagnoses for our eating disorder clients. In fact when I described some of the tactics my ex displayed they were the first to point me in the direction of anti-social personality research and books. I was amazed at the similarities and for the first time I understood what had happened to me. Obviously, the therapists were not practicing couples counseling so their experience with our eating disorder clients was much different. Thankfully, they were able to educate me on something I had never experienced until my ex.

sept4- That had to have been an eye opening creepy experience! You have to wonder how many different personalities they possess. It’s almost as if they have them categorized and instinctively know which one to pull out in order to obtain the calculated response they are looking for.

I remember my ex telling me his uncle had passed away. This was an uncle my ex supposedly took to chemo each week for several weeks, regularly shopped for him, took him to church and also would take his uncle to the nursing home to visit his uncle’s wife. When my ex relayed his uncle’s passing there was no emotion – he could have been talking about the weather. At the time it struck me as odd, but I let it go.

I always thought my ex had a genuine side to him only because it did seem real in the love bombing phase. As things progressed I found myself longing to hear or see that genuine side, however it only appeared occasionally when he either wanted something or wanted to get out of something. What a waste of a human being!

I still think their brains would prove to hold some very fascinating information!