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Hi – I am finding the Jonnie Depp and Amber Heard’s defamation trial very interesting – you can watch it on You-Tube. So far I have only watched the opening arguments, even though the trial has been going on for awhile now. But from the opening arguments what I have gained so far is – first, Jonnie’s lawyer put forth his basic case and it seemed to make a lot of sense. Basically she was saying that he has had other relationships with women and never hurt any of them and therefore denying that Amber’s allegations are true. Then Amber’s lawyers ( 2 of them ) stated their basic case. The first idea was showing that Jonnie had no justification for the lawsuit in the first case because the article that Amber wrote did not mention Jonnie in it, that she had her lawyer examine it before publication and that she was protected because of our constitution’s right to free speech. Then the other lawyer explained that Jonnie did abuse Amber physically and sexually. She went into details as much as time allowed. I was convinced about the first issue because the lawyer read the whole article that Amber wrote and I thought it did not over step legal legitimacy. About whether Jonnie abused Amber – with the understanding that I have not heard all the evidence thus far – but my take is that he did abuse her. And I am not being partial, because I have always loved Jonnie Depp and watched many of his movies. But, nevertheless, so far from what I heard, it seems to me that Amber is innocent, has been telling the truth and is not to blame. I would be interested in reading other posts from participants about their take on this trial.
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I have followed some of the trial. I was very impressed with the article Amber wrote. Our society is very biased against women. I was in a relationship that became very abusive. I complained. and was amazed how the abuser lied denying abuse and people who had been friendly believed him. Johnnie was not married to the other women as he was to Amber. I have had the experience that after marriage my husband felt very entitled and was abusive. I think it is hard for some people to be objective because they are a fan of Johnnie. I hope Amber gets a fair trial but with the bias against women in our society am not sure that will happen Johnnie also was on drugs which affect judgement. We will see how it goes
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Thank you for posting this. I haven’t viewed any of it, so I don’t have an opinion. But it might be helpful to understand defamation law as you watch and evaluate.
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Amber saw an attorney before she published the article and was told she was exercising her freedom of speech She doesn’t mention Johnnie.
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I won’t comment again. Everyone has their own take on this trial.
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I will just say I saw an article ‘,Johnny Depp must face Amber Heard Libel Claims’ at http://www.hollywoodreporrter,çom. It explains why Depp’s attorneys filed in Virginia where neither live. They thought the law was better for him She filed a libel claim because his attorney said her claims were a hoax
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Hi Sunnygal, I am not following this trial however, there have been many articles in the Daily Mail. com with video.
IN one video Johnny was asked by Amber’s lawyer about his drug & alcohol addiction during their marriage…he did EVERYTHING in the book to use “narcissist blame shift”. He is playing a massive acting role on the stand. He is trying to use “pity me manipulation” on the jury.
Is he a narcisist???
Dr Drew show..he wrote a book on HOllywood and the high level of narcissism!!
Are they both Narcissist? most likley.
But, I do believe that he did abuse her. There is a video of him drugged/drunk up slamming kitchen cabinets and when asked about it he stated “but, I did not hit heard only kitchen cabinets”. This is something my ex would have said.
Johnny also stated in a text to a friend that he should “burn her” (refering to his wife” and the friend said drowing is better (something like that look this up)
Those are pretty sick thoughts he has.
It is a known fact that Alchoholics & drugs addicts are manipulative & liars. These use these tactics to get what they want = drugs, place to live, a ride to their drug dealer. So it does not suprise me if that he is still manipulating the jury blatantly.
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He also called his ex-girlfirend mother of his kids a some something C word. Cant remember the whole quote look this up also.
He’s not a good guy behind closed doors. He knows how to act in the public. Sadly most do not see his manipulation.
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Hi Sunny, there was another article in the Daily Mail of this trail with a photo of this Johnny. What I notice is EVERYDAY he comes dress differently. When he was on the stand talking about his drug & alcohol days he let his hair down around his face, wore an over sized suit and wore glasses. Today in this photo he has his hair greased back and a very sharp fitted suit.
He is playing a hollywood role in this trial. He has hired a hair, make up & costume designer no doubt to help him with each part of the trial to TRICK & MANIPULATE the jury and viewers in court & on tv.
This guy is running a con game in court. To me his mask has slipped. Sadly to those that have never been conned they will not see his subtle manipulation.
If he is doing this in court then what was he doing to her behind closed doors???
I dont really follow hollywood, I gave my tv away years ago, and dont go to the movies because I dont want to listen/watch the free mason cult/illuminati cult that they spew on behalf of evil Klaus Schwab and all his evil cohorts. TV is for “programing the minds of citizens” aka brain washing. But, I do watch for sociopathic abuse victims in the news.
Did he abuser her??…most likely at the time he was a Alcoholic & Drug user with unlimited cash to buy lots and free time (no job) to do these brain damaging vices.
The fact that he did not file in California (were he lives) and filed in at state clear accross the county is just another RED FLAG into his manipulative mindset. He also did not want her to find a top lawyer which there are alot in Hollywood. HE planned this out well in advanced to throw her off. He most likly has many lawyers in the Virgina area on retainer so that Heard could not find a good lawyer in the area and would have had to hire one outside of that city court which would cost more $$$ & hotels cost.
He is manipulatve when you lay it all out. My ex would have done this same if he had JOhnny’s kind of money. Johnny wants to distroy Heard for exposing his sickness to the world.
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Jan7 He is also friends with Marilyn Manson who Evan Rachel Wood called out as being abusive The law in Virginia is against first amendment rights. That is why he chose Virginia.
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Court issues a temporary restraining order against Johnny Deep just after Heard File for divorce. Courts are very cautious of doing this and the victim must have strong evidence for them to issue a restraining order.
It’s not shocking that if you read comments in the Daily Mail. com/you tube vids the majority favor Johnny vs Amber. This is what abusers do = manipulate everyone to make them believe THEY are the victim vs the real victim. Johnny does not want to be know as a “abuser” so he has the money to manipulate people by buying articles in tabloids & net infavor of him and make the victim look like the real abuser.
He was a mean drug/alcholic who used cocaine, pills and whiskey (his preferred drink) these all I imagine really destroy the brain ability to be normal if used like he used ALL day long.
See Dr Daniel Amen you tube videos and MRI images of what cocaine, alcohol, pills do to your brain = not good.
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Jan7 I agree alcohol and drugs damage the brain big time. Most sites are pro Johnny There is a bias against women complaining about male abuse there is an article at http://jezebel.com titled Johnny Depp and Amber Heard Defamation Trial Has Become Impossible to Stomach by a survivor of sexual trauma and relationship abuse that is good
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Hi Sunny, interesting that Howard Stern is calling out Johnny as a narcissist. But, I do beleive that he is one.
here is part of the article on Page 6:
(Howard Stern): “…They think they can talk their way out of anything,” Stern, 68, continued. “I think Johnny Depp is a huge narcissist and what I mean by that is — he figured, ‘I’ll put this on TV and because I’m so persuasive and because I’m so smart, I’m such a wonderful guy.’”
YEP..this is a narcisist for you.
Johnny & team hired a psychologist who stated that Heard had two personality disordered. HOW MUCH MONEY DID JOHNNY PAY THIS WOMAN PSYCHOLOGIST TO SAY THIS? Witnesses are paid. So she was defiantly paid. Hope Heard sues this Psychologist for defamation.
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Jan7′ Howard Stern’s statement is good!!
When Johnny was hitting cabinets in the kitchen the intent was to terrify Amber. When asked about this he said he didn’t hit her. Simply creating a violent environment is abusive!.
It was reported that he doesn’t want to get sober and clean. Subjecting a partner to your drunken, drugged state where you are totally irresponsible over and over again is abusive it is really the height of abusive behavior
He has reportedly been very verbally abusive calling her all kinds of names Verbal abuse is abuse!!
Abusers deny their abuse. He is in denial!
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Hi Sunny, YES, you are correct about his behavior in the kitchen = it WAS all about “terrify Amber”…it’s all about power & control over their spouse/partner.
My ex did things like this to terrify me ie throw things but, with such anger & terrifying yelling. I had never witnessed that kind of anger and chaos from anyone before. It makes your heart stop and you want to flee. My ex would not let me flee he would follow me everywhere in the house. If I locked the door to a room he would use a tool to unlock the door.
If I asked him to slow down on icy winter roads he would speed up to 90+ mph (literally) weaving in and out of traffic. We would be slidding on the ice…it was terrifying. I would not ask him to slow down when he was in this crazy mindset I would just plan my actions if he ended up rolling the car suck as getting low to the center counsel etc & make sure my legs were not close to the engine front so I would not be injured greatly. When they are in this evil state you can not talk to them rationally or even when the are in a “good mood”…they are crazy. Throw in alcohol & drug addiction and it destortes their thinking even more.
My ex did many things like this. When I left my counselor told me that he’s actions was all to power & control over me.
I could not watch the vid with Johnny slamming the kitchen cabinet because it was too triggering.
I hope the Jury sees the truth. this will only happen if some on the Jury have endured trama/abuse/domestic abuse. Otherwise they will rule against Amber and in favor of the abuser.
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Jan7 I never experienced this but experienced other behavior that was meant to terrify I wish Ambers attorneys had had an expert witness on to say that was meant to terrify Amber but it doesn’t take a genius to figure that out!!!!!! Hopefully there are some bright people on the jury.
Amber now has security people to protect her from crazies who are Depp celebrity fans Some celebrity fans are really crazy!! I remember in the Paul McCartney/Heather Mills divorce case she got death threats.
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There is an excellent article at http://jezebel.com titled Amber Heard s Mental Health is being weaponized to deny her credibility. This is frequently done with domestic violence cases
A psychologist said Amber had Borderline Personality Disorder and histrionic disorder which cause her to make up stories and be the victim. Attorney Holly Davis of Kipper and Davis says. Mental health is used to scapegoat or vilify in domestic violence cases
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Good article Sunny.
here is part of that article. What is interesting is the fact that Johnny was sued in 2018 for punching a male crew member. This is a man that has anger issues.
“Depp has previously cited drugs, alcohol, and substance use struggles as the source of some of his admitted acts of violence. And his invocations of his mental health have been treated as justification or rationalization of his behavior, rather than a reason he shouldn’t be believed. A 2018 lawsuit against the actor alleges that he punched a male crew member on a movie set whilst on a drunken tirade; the attack and the male crew member’s allegations largely slipped through the cracks in the public consciousness, while Heard’s 2016 allegations continue to be widely questioned and disbelieved.
Neama Rahmani, a former federal prosecutor overseeing domestic violence cases and president of West Coast Trial Lawyers, says the recent focus on questioning only Heard’s mental condition is a tactic to “dirty her up and really attack her credibility.”
“They’re trying to paint this picture of a monster, and to kind of play into the stereotypes about liars, unstable women,” Rahmani told Jezebel. “It’s the same thing, or similar, in sexual assault cases I’ve seen where accused men will invoke the victims’ past sexual history, the way the woman was dressed. It’s about credibility.”
The hired psychlogist who said Amber has “personality disorders” went to a dinner for 4 hours with Johnny & his legal time prior to this trial. She has a financial motivation $$$$$$$ to say what ever his lawyer team wants her to say = sociopath smear campaign is what Johnny, this psychologist and the legal team are doing to Amber…like ALL narcissist and sociopath narcisiist do to their victim so they are not exposed. Johnny is just doing it on a massive scale by have cameras in the court room. He’s a sick twist man.
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Jan7. Yes, It is an excellent article, great journalism! We need more like this instead of the biased misleading articles we usually see
A BuzzFeed news article says Ambers attorney said Depp punched and kicked her during a 3 day trip to Australia while he was in a blackout. Alcoholics have blackouts where they seem to be aware but are in a blackout where they don’t remember anything that happened His denial may be because he was in a blackout and doesn’t remember
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Page Six has an article Everything Amber Heard has shared about daughter Oonah Paige named after her mother who died in 2020. She was born by surrogate since Amber couldn’t carry a child. Nice article by Page Six.
There is an article ‘Debunked’ psychological diagnoses of Amber Heard must be discounted prominent psychologist warns in http://www.independent.co.uk
It seems the abuse goes on with the trial. Johnny is doodling. Playing with gummy bears and laughing while Amber is in pain. We’ll see how her testimony goes.
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I was thinking of O. N. Wards book Husband, Liar, Sociopath where she keeps her real name private. Going public with complaints of domestic violence is risky.
Some think because Depp is an alcoholic/addict he is vulnerable. From my experience alcoholics are very aggressive especially in a blackout
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There is an opinion article at http://www.nbcnews.com titled Johnny Depp, Amber Heard and the harmful logical fallacy of ‘mutual abuse’. One doctor said there was mutual abuse. This writer says domestic violence is about power and control and one person is the perpetrator and the other is reacting It is not mutual.
I saw where Depp was questioned about slamming the kitchen cabinets and he said he was not trying to intimidate Amber. He said if She was scared why didn’t she leave. If she left she would have to come back and it would be very bad for her. She stayed despite being scared and photographed it for concrete evidence against him
Most reporting is very biased IMO
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At http://www.courttv.com the article Depp v. heard:Johnny Depp defamation trial an expert says Depp lost the London libel suit that was decided by the judge. This case will be decided by the jury.
At http://www.foxnews.com in the article Johny Depp v. Amber Heard defamation trial Ambers psychologist explained the cycle of violence, described horrible abuse and said Amber had PTSD
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An article titled Roe v. Wade,Met Gala, Amber Heard and what we think of women is in http://www.usatoday.com. It says the way Amber has been treated shows misogyny
The article Amber Heard s riveting testimony took apart the Johnny Depp myth in http://nypost.com
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The trial resumes tomorrow and ends May 27”In People Magazine a legal expert says the support for Depp on social media has no effect on the legal case
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No, our society as a whole is decidedly not “biased against women.” That’s a self-serving myth cooked up by the radfem gang and promulgated by our deplorably biased “news” media. In fact the reverse is true overall. This is not to deny that many abused women–and men too–don’t get justice, simply because no justice system can be perfect.
As for “bias.” consider for instance just a random handful of examples:
Women-owned businesses get tax and other breaks that men-owned businesses do not.
When more men than women graduated from college, everybody wanted to redress the balance in the interests of equality by enabling more women to go to college. Today, the opposite is true. College graduates are about 60% women and 40% men. Yet nobody is concerned with correcting that back to 50/50 by giving more help to men. It seems the rule is equality for women, but not equality for men.
While there are certainly exceptions, as everyone here will know from purely personal experience, as a rule our “justice” system hits men far harder in divorce than it does women, with men losing their children AND their money to ex-wives more often than the other way round.
Women by and large get lighter sentences than men do for similar crimes.
Nearly everybody, it seems, is more disposed to protect women than they do men, physically at least. After all, on the Titanic, it wasn’t “MEN and children first,” was it? I believe there are evolutionary reasons for this, which need not concern us here, but they play a part in many people’s misconceptions today. Which in reality is the more valued sex?
Our society has changed for the worse. Millions of men fought in two World Wars, and many who survived were damaged by it. Yet most recovered, thanks in part to the emotional and other support of a society that welcomed them back as heroes and honored their service. My father did his duty to defend his country and was wounded, gassed, and temporarily blinded on the field of battle. He must have seen horrors. Yet as we know, most men don’t tell their stories. They simply “get on with it,” as my father did, and went on to live a happy life with my mother.
All this changed in the 1960s. The men who fought in Vietnam, many against their will, were not treated as heroes. Returning, they were met by hordes of shrieking leftists who spat on them and vilified them for doing their duty to their country. They never got the gratitude and support that men like my father did, and many remained damaged, as we know.
Our “news” media are always publishing articles about the challenges faced by women. No doubt these are real enough, but very little space is devoted to the challenges faced by men, which are equally real. In general the rule seems to be that women get the support, while men are left to shift for themselves and get on with it.
Of course the topic of this thread, about Johnny Depp and Amber Heard, is domestic abuse, which is why I’m writing this. And when it comes to domestic abuse, most of it is equal overall between men and women. Sometimes it’s the man, sometimes it’s the woman, and half of the time it’s both. Fair enough, if it comes to a knock-down drag-out physical fight, the woman is likely to get the worst of it. But plenty of men get injured too by abusive women, because they won’t fight back to defend themselves, And women are more likely than men to assault a partner with a weapon, such as a blunt object or even a kitchen knife. Apart from that, so much abuse is not physical, but verbal and emotional, where men have no advantage, and that’s equal too, beside being psychologically devastating.
In the old days when more people lived in small towns or neighborhoods, these communities had better knowledge of this: one place where personal experience reflects the reality of humans at large. They knew who was a bastard and who was a bitch, because they’d known these people most of their lives.
I have an old book of Andy Capp cartoons, published in England in the late 1950s, and it’s interesting to see how domestic violence was pictured there. Sometimes it was Andy giving Florrie a black eye. Sometimes it was Andy running down the road with a bump on his head, Florrie pursuing him with a rolling pin. Sometimes they were both scrapping together. This is a pretty accurate picture of what went on in rough northern England industrial towns, even down to the detail that Andy used his fists, while Florrie used a weapon.
When Richard Straus and Murray Gelles started their research on domestic violence in the 1970s, they were under the impression that men were the main perpetrators. They were surprised to find from their surveys that this wasn’t true. Again, a quarter of the time it was just the man hitting the woman. But a quarter of the time it was just the woman hitting the man. The other half of the time they were both into it. Given anonymity, perpetrators themselves were willing to admit to this.
But when Straus and Gelles published or spoke publicly about their findings, they were screamed down by gangs of radfems, even receiving bomb threats. The same happened to their colleague Suzanne Steinmetz. When she published a book on the Battered Husband Syndrome, she got similar treatment, receiving death threats and threats to harm her children. I understand she later gave up the work because it was too dangerous. The females responsible for this should have been prosecuted as domestic terrorists, except that it was hard to pin down who was responsible.
The radfem gang similarly betrayed the lesbian community by ignoring any domestic violence that went on there (which of course it does, just as much as in heterosexual relationships), in order to preserve their myth of “universal female innocence.” Camille Paglia, who knew better, related the horrors that go on in some lesbian relationships, including assaults with knives, guns, and boiling water.
Today , unfortunately, too many people are dependent on and misinformed by our “news” media who paint a distorted picture of reality. Articles on domestic violence invariably present women as victims, men as aggressors, and little attention is given to the many times it happens the other way round. No wonder many members of the public, misled by this garbage, end up being prejudiced against men.
I hope I don’t need to add that none of this in any way invalidates the experiences of women on this site, which I’m sure are perfectly real and tragic. Nor is this personal on my part. I’ve had a good enough life and a lovely wife, who sadly passed away eight years ago. So no grudges on that account–but I don’t like what I see happening “out there.” We can’t just read the “news”; we have to dig deeper to find out what’s really going on.
Unfortunately too, this public distortion of reality is partly because women are far more likely to tell their stories of abuse in public than men are. This is due to psychological differences between men and women that I won’t go into here. But the result is that women’s accounts of abuse are heard far more often than men’s. Men are also discouraged from doing so. I have seen message boards full of women telling their stories, and no doubt some men are discouraged from posting there because they think “oh, it’s a women’s site.” And if they do, they’re likely to meet suspicion and hostility from the women there. They are not treated equally. They get challenged with remarks like “Oh, really? I’d like to hear what your WIFE has to say about that.” Women’s stories by contrast are automatically accepted as true, even though some of them aren’t, and some of them are abusers in disguise. I recall in particular one notorious female who claimed her ex-husband was a “narcissist,” though it was obvious to me from her shocking behavior that SHE was the textbook narcissist. I’m happy to say that doesn’t happen on this site of Donna’s.
But down to the main topic of Johnny and Amber. Who’s really at fault there? I recently read a most enlightening article on PageSix giving Gina Deuters’ personal knowledge of the pair. Gina is the wife of Stephen Deuters, who is Johnny’s longtime business partner, while she has known Johnny for nearly twenty years and has been close to the situation.
First, about Johnny, whom Gina has observed up close and personally, and whom she sees as a decent guy. She has never seen him behave aggressively toward women, never seen him get nasty even while drinking of using drugs. She had never seen him lose his temper.
This is borne out by Johnny’s personal history. While he’s had numerous relationships with women–and being a celebrity can be hard on marriages–it seems that none of them have a bad word to say about him. He did have a bit of trouble dating Kate Moss, but she’s described as having a “fiery” temperament and is no doubt hard to get on with. His first wife in particular, Lori Allison, though they split for reasons of incompatibility, has remained his friend and supporter and called him “one of the softest people I know.”
If Johnny never abused women before, why should he suddenly start now? All this suggests there’s a problem with Amber Heard, not with Johnny.
As for Amber, Gina says her husband describes her as a “sociopathic show pony.” Gina tells us that Amber is “cold.”
Amber intimated to her that she “enjoys fighting” for its own sake. Gina was “unnerved” by this. What kind of woman was she speaking with?
Amber’s behavior early in the relationship puzzled Gina, because she turned herself into the perfect subservient “Stepford wife” catering to Johnny’s every need, quite unlike her usual assertive personality. Obviously this was a fake persona she adopted for the purpose of “love bombing.” Needless to say, once she “had” Johnny, her behavior changed in short order.
Amber RUSHED Johnny into marriage, so fast that even some of his family were not given time to get to the wedding.
Amber is domineering and controlling. Everything is about HER and what SHE wants. The wedding was HER party, not for Johnny as well.
She took over Johnny’s property as if it were her own, moving her own friends into it, while she ISOLATED Johnny from his family and friends.
And if Amber doesn’t get her way, she is willing to DESTROY people who oppose her, which is what she’s tried to do to Johnny since they broke up.
Their marriage was so bad that Gina’s husband Stephen was obliged to act as a mediator between them, so his impressions match Gina’s.
In short, the perfect picture of a female PSYCHOPATH. But as Gina implied, what can you do when somebody falls for a psychopath?
And don’t forget what else psychopaths do. THEY LIE. So no doubt when Amber claims that Johnny “abused” her, she’s lying through her teeth. People can be “destroyed with words just as much as with a gun. Unfortunately psychopaths often lie all too convincingly, to naive people willing to believe them.
It may be that Amber has been abused in the past–by someone. She may have come from a personality disordered family, Or she may just be playing “victim,” as these people do. But that’s no excuse for her behavior now. Gina sees Johnny as the real victim here.
Assuming this is true–and it does have the ring of truth, forming a well-known pattern of psychopathic behavior–I can only hope the truth will come out and she will be seen for what she is, while Johnny will be exonerated.
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How people behave when they’re drunk depends on their inner personality. I think there are three types. Many people are “happy drunks.” That’s why being drunk is referred to as “merry,” “lit up,” “feeling no pain” and so forth.
Then there’s the :sad drunk,” the “maudlin drunk” who cries in his beer.
But there’s also the “angry drunk,” the “raging drunk.” That’s the type to watch out for!
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I read the ”Independent” article supposedly “debunking” Amber’s diagnosis, but I was not impressed. This female psychologist has an agenda sticking out a mile. She can hardly be objective. If you don’t like a diagnosis, just pretend the disorder doesn’t exist? “Nothing to see here…” Her description of borderline and histrionic personality disorders as “highly contested” is a gross exaggeration. Her óutrage that these disorders are still in the DSM is totally misplaced. Besides, she hasn’t even seen Amber, so what can she know about her?
She also glossed over the heritability of mental disorders. Just because we haven’t identified a gene for them yet doesn’t mean there isn’t empirical evidence. If anyone wants to read this, turn JavaScript off to avoid being bugged to “subscribe.”
More interesting was the Grauniad article about these diagnoses by Dr. Shannon Curry. Admittedly experts do disagree on diagnoses. It surprised me that Amber would be labeled a borderline. Is she really “unstable,” or did she know what she doing all along? But “histrionic” I can certainly believe. I noticed especially that Amber PUNCHED a female friend of hers on a shopping trip!
P.S. Sorry about the bad link. I can’t figure out why it doesn’t work, Here’s the original again:
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I think the Independent article debunking Amber’s diagnosis is very good I agree with this warning
When someone is drunk or in a blackout they don’t remember what they did. This is important to remember
People have very different takes on this case. That is for sure!!
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There has been strong testimony from Tillett Wright supporting Amber’s claims of abuse.
Depp is very friendly with his female attorney. He can use her.
Nancy Grace makes some comments at Fox news.com.
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Next week is the final week.
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Tomorrow is the final day. I liked Julia Fox’s opinion about the trial
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I just read these comments. No wonder critics are calling Julia Fox “stupid.” She obviously doesn’t get the nature of abuse. She seems to imagine a person has to be physically or financially more powerful to abuse someone. Even though Amber hit Johnny, Fox trties to tell us this was “not abuse.” Rubbish!! Fox is just making excuses for Amber’s abuse. It’s true that a victim may “lose it” and strike out at the abuser out of frustration or in self defense, but what did Johnny do to DESERVE being hit?
The point is that abuse is not a matter of physical or financial power, but of the willingness of the abuser to be emotionally and psychologically (as well as physically) aggressive and manipulative, and how confused the victim is, unwilling to fight back, and desperate to appease the abuser at all costs to keep the relationship on an even keel against the abuser’s drive for control snd domination. The sex of abuser and partner is irrelevant. Amber’s overbearing, domineering personality is the key factor here.
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I see it differently. The jury will continue deliberations on Tuesday after Memorial Day
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Now that it is over and both were found guilty – although Amber more so than Johnnie – I am still wondering – WTH. From the beginning I thought this was a he said-she said battle between two arrogant, entitled and self-important individuals whose marriage was toxic from the get go. Did she actually libel him? Hmmm – she never named him – it was all innuendo and supposition – although a little hard to miss the implications. Did he actually abuse her, giving her the right to cry “I Am A Survivor”? Probably. Did she abuse him? Probably. Did they both deserve what they got? Probably. I am usually 100% on the side of the woman in these cases — just because I have been there and know first hand the lack of power and strength in the relationship, the shame-blaming (“Why didn’t you leave if it was so bad?” “You must have done something to make him so mad” etc), the uphill battle to get anyone to believe you… but in this case, the nastiness, violence, toxicity and animosity was about even between the two.
So – what do you all think? Justice done? Justice thwarted? Or did they both get the publicity they needed for their egos to thrive?
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Hi Emilie,
look up this People magazine article on the net titled:
“Johnny Depp: Inside His Volatile 1990s Romance with Kate Moss
Johnny Depp and Kate Moss: A look back at the ups and downs of their four-year romance”
By Kara Warner Updated May 30, 2016In the article it states that Johnny Depp was arrested for trashing a hotel room. The judge let him off telling him to “stay out of trouble for 6 months”. I think most think that when a person becomes violent or angry and trashes a room that it’s not abuse towards the people in the room…but, infact it’s quite terrifying to witness someone’s temper tantrum and it’s actually IS emotional & mental abuse.
These types of temper tantrums are also about the abuser having POWER & CONTROL over his victims by keeping the victim walking on egg shells everyday (which is a form of abuse) so not to set off the abuser. This is ALL manipulation by the abuser.
In 2018 Johnny PUNCHED the Film Location Director on set. This Location director sued Johnny. The director refused to tell johnny that they would have to shut down the set for the night because they were over their permit time limit on the location so the Location director had to tell Johnny who erupted with anger. According to reports online “johnny does not like being told what to do”.
he has a long history of drug & alcohol abuse and violents towards others. He just has the money to hire top lawyers to get away with it all and the charm & chrism to get away with it also.
Several ex girlfriend prior to Amber have stated he has a temper or has become violent by throwing things and state he has major drug/alchohol issues. Ellen Barkin (his ex) stated that he throw a wine bottle across the room in anger. With Heard there is a video of him slamming the kitchen cabinets doors in anger while drugged up. ALL to make Heard walk on egg shells = a form of abuse to control her = he was training her to accept his behavior not to speak out.
With regards to Heard..in my own opinion he pushed her to her breaking point with his abuse and her mind was awakened from his mind control and she started to stand up for her self. But, that is the worse thing a victim of abuse should do.
It’s best to get out of the relationship asap when you finally wake up and say “Enough” and follow the no contact rule. What appears to have happen in this relatinship is classic “Domestic abuse Power & Control Wheel” (look up). Heard got sucked into JOhnny’s cycle of abuse game. And, this is where she started to throw things and just not care anymore she was sick of his drug abuse, alchohol abuse,emotional/mental/verbal abuse and manipulation.
Like all victims of abuse there is a breaking point of not being able to deal with the daily abuse, massive amount of stress of the relationship, lies, manipulation, gas lighting abuse and the mind control they have been under and they start to fight back against their abusers. Again not a good idea…the abuser will always win the abuse game because the victims has not realized that she is in a abusive relationship.
Johnny’s mask will slip again. Right now people are loving him…but, with time the truth will be exposed again. HOward Stern called Johnny Depp a “narcissist” during this trial.
One of the biggest RED FLAG I saw was reports (see vid) of him literally laughing in court several times when Heard was discussing his abuse…this is not shocking this is what abusers do..they dont take their abuse towards others seriously.
Im disappointed that Heards lawyers did not have domesitic abuse experts on the witness stand to expose the truth of how abusers use gas lighting & stealth froms of manipulation, scare tactics like throwing things and abusing their victims without others realizing their spouse is suffering from domestic abuse.
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I am certainly not on the side of a woman just because she’s a woman. Nor am I on the side of a man just because he’s a man. I’m on the side of the EVIDENCE–as far as I’m able to discover it.
It is a capital mistake to project one’s personal experience onto others as if theirs were necessarily the same. My own personal experience has been that those around me were generally good: my parents, my late wife, most relatives, many others. If I projected this experience onto the world at large I would fall foul of the fallacy that “everybody is good at heart.” I have to face the reality that this is not so. Some people out there are untrustworthy or troublesome, some are damned poisonous, and some are downright evil. Some of them are men–and some of them are women. People and situations need to b3 judged on their own merits–or lack of them!
Women tell their stories of personal relationships more often than men do. But one of many things I’ve noticed in the past among women with abusive male partners is how many also complained of narcissistic or otherwise abusive mothers, who no doubt “trained” their daughters to tolerate abuse.
As for Johnny and Kate Moss, I did read the People article and noted what ELSE it said. First, that KATE MOSS ALSO trashed a hotel room in Cannes on her own account, for which she was banned from the hotel for life. So there’s more to the story of these two. A lot of these emotion-driven “arty celebrity” types can be temperamental at times. Perhaps Johnny is, and Kate Moss too. Put them together, and I’ve no doubt they struck sparks off one another in their very intense relationship. If so, that was six of one and half a dozen of the other. However, “temperamental” is not necessarily the same as being “personality disordered.”
The other part of the story, according to “People,” is that Kate regretted the end of their relationship because Johnny was the one person she could trust to take care of her. So despite their conflicts, Kate too retained a good opinion of Johnny, as his other partners did. Amber Heard is the exception who sticks out like a sore thumb.
Incidentally I don’t agree with the psychologist who diagnosed Amber as suffering from borderline and histrionic personality disorders. I know they get lumped together here with the other Cluster B disorders as “sociopaths,” but really the internal mental state of borderlines and histrionics is quite different—and frankly not at all pleasant. What they do to their partners is another story, of course. But I don’t believe Amber suffers from a fragmented self-image, low self esteem, mood swings, or other such symptoms. She’s too, too sure of herself and knows what she’s doing. Her fake persona, her love or fighting–she strikes me as a plain narcissist at least, if not a psychopath. I think Stephen Deuters had it right. I expect Johnny has learned a lesson about personality disordered people.
It was interesting that the jury rejected the defense argument that Amber’s Washington Post article was couched in generalities and did not refer specifically to Johnny/ It goes to show how careful we have to be in cases of libel and defamation. It’s not just what we say, but what others are deemed likely to read into it, given the circumstances.
This reminds me a little of another libel case of long ago. When Liberace visited Britain around 1957, William Connor, a columnist for the Daily Mirror who absolutely despised Liberace, wrote an article trashing him, calling him things like “this deadly, winking, sniggering, snuggling, chromium-plated, scent- impregnated, luminous, quivering, giggling, fruit-flavoured, mincing, ice-covered heap of mother love.” Liberace promptly sued Connor and the newspaper for implying he was homosexual. I read the whole article on the Web in recent years, and nowhere did he accuse Liberace of homosexuality, though he did imply the pianist was “effeminate” in manner and dress, which was undeniable. Connor probably did not know that “fruit” had gay implications in American slang, though not in Britain. But Liberace won his case and gained major damages, which again goes to show that an article can be judged, not on what it actually says, but what people are likely to read into it.
The bad side of this story is that Liberace lied through his teeth in the witness box by denying outright his homosexuality. In reality he was as queer as a three-dollar bill, as the saying goes. Not that there’s anything wrong with being gay, but in those bad old days it could well have ruined his career. Still, he should have had the integrity to simply ignore what people like Connor wrote about him, which was nothing but a stupid rant anyway from a very prejudiced man who was probably jealous because so many women fawned over Liberace.
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Before the verdict was read an attorney on Fox said if the jury goes by the law not emotion Depp will loose so did they go be emotion? Or were they afraid if they ruled against Depp they would be threatened? heard has had death threats. Depp fans are very aggressive and inappropriate
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Johnny has had two well know disfunctional relationships in the press Heard & Moss plus Ellen Barkin said he has a temperment issues…he is the commone denominator in all these disfunctional relationships NOT Kate Moss or Amber heard. You hear nothing bad about Heard or moss’s with regards to other relationships.
But, Johnny is know to have a “temper” according to his friends.
His long time use of drugs & alchohol are destroying is brain. Look up Dr Amen yt chan and vids to see what alchohol & drugs do to the brain = not good.
What about him PUNCHING the movie set locations Director because the director was doing his job and had to let Johnny know that their county permit time was up for the night…Johnny did not want to hear this and PUNCHED his co-worker on set!!!! This is NOT NORMAL!!! It is also stated in articles that he was drugged up. The Locations Director sued JOhnny for punching him.
Johnny is the common denominator in all this chaos & drama. Seems like he thrives on it like most narcisist.
According to his peers he does not like people telling him what to do and was called a “narcissist” by howard stern during this trial.
Heard NEVER mentioned JOhnny as her abusers when she spoke of being in a abusive relationship. this according to the net & the article she was involved int. YES Johnny drags Heard to court…this is common with abusers aka narcisiist & sociopaths they love to toy with their past victims and create chaos & drama by bring their victims to court over and over just look at child custody court cases with a narcisiist or sociopath. They also love to destroy their past victims emotionally, mentally & financially!! Johnny just did all of this in court.
As for “my opionon” on this case.. damn right I have a opionon…I can see Johnny’s manipulation all thru this trial…from his continuous laughing while his ex was on the stand talking about her abuse by Johnny. his laughting was a way for him to distract the jury so that they watched him and not listen to her statements…to his continue changing of his clothing each day to fit the “mood” especially when he took the witness stand…his behavior was not only odd but, it is indicative with narcisiist. Johnny most likely hired a Wardrobe stylest to dress him each day like he is in a movie…it was obvious…he has the money.
It was also brought up in court via a expert PR/computer witness that took the stand that Johnny had hire a PR firm to flood the internet and newspapers with articles bashing Heard. This again is what sociopaths/narcisiist/ abuers do = create a Sociopath smear campaign!!! And create a “Sociopath triangulation” between Heard & the public.
Johnny has hundreds of millions and was literally doing this. A world wide smear campaign against his ex wife. Sickening to watch this unfold and most dont see it because they are not educated on sociopath smear campaign and sociopath tringulation…but, Johnny is and this was pure evil of him and pure evil of this lawyers & PR team to allow this evilness towards Heard. Sadly their efforts worked.
Heards lawyer stated today that this PR manipulation DID influence the jury. I agree. The jury had 3 days off to search the internet to see what people were talking about. even if the judge told them not to they were at BBQ over the 3 day holiday and most likely heard talk of what was being said on the net. Heard’s lawyers will be filing an appeal because of this media influence on the jury.
The most evil part is Johnny & his PR team hired companies to flood their articles with comments against heard and blame her not him. This is common practices with media & companies that hire people just to post what for/against an article or person.
THIS IS WHAT SOCIOPATHS/NARCISIST DO WHEN THEY ARE WORTH HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS.They destory their ex’s
Do I think Heard WAS abused by Johnny ABSOLUTEY. NOT BASED on “feeling” but, because I am an expert now on sociopath narcisistic abuse having lived it for years & years and now being educated now on how to spot one a abusers & to see the evil tachtics they are doing to others. This is where Donna’s site is a god sent…all of us can get educated on what we endured and can spot a narcissist or sociopaths con game & mind games being used on others.
Kate also stated in an interview that she cried and cried for years after breaking up with Johnny…this is what victims of abuse do. As for her throwing things in a hotel room also…no doubt like heard she was pushed to her stress limits with Johnny’s drugs/alchohol/emotional & mental abuse and his temper tantrums which are also abuse. She broke up with him for good reason..his same behavior is happening 20+ years later after she broke up with him. He has not changed..his behavior is getting worse as the years go by. With kate you hear nothing of her behavior since escaping her relationship with Johnny
THE PREDICTOR OF THE FUTURE Behavior IS IN SOMEONES PAST BEHAVIOR…JOhnny will always have chaos & drama in his relationship. This is HIS pattern of behavior. This is why it’s important to avoid these types they will only bring chaos and drama into your life & eveyrone’s life.
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Jan7 is right! Alcoholism is a progressive disease. It only gets worse unless there is recovery. Depp will only get worse He lost jobs because he showed up drunk
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Unfortunately I can’t comment on the Fox News report because I don’t know the reasoning behind it, or what aspect of the law they think should have been followed. Unless it was about whether Amber’s Washington Post article could be seen as aimed at Johnny, the issue I mentioned earlier.
Perhaps Amber has been receiving death threats because some people out there can see what she’s really like, and don’t like her one bit. Anyway if the jury had been receiving death threats, you can bet we’d be hearing about it! I think they did their job on the evidence they heard, not out of any fear.
Kate Moss made it clear that she cried because she had lost a SUPPORTIVE relationship with Johnny, not one with a man who tried to belittle her or crush her into the ground as abusers do.
Kate, as I said earlier, is also reported to have a “fiery” temperament. So if Johnny trashes a hotel room, that’s his fault, but if Kate trashes a hotel room, somehow that’s Johnny’s fault too? Sorry, I don’t follow the logic of that. In the absence of real evidence of why it happened, it’s an unjustified assumption.
I am really at a loss to explain why, if Johnny’s past relationships were allegedly so “dysfunctional,” so many of his previous partners are still supporting him and have good memories of him, whether or not he had a “temper.” His first wife especially. And Vanessa Paradis, who was with Johnny for 14 years and reported that he was “never violent,” as that “People” article also said. She should have known him well enough, even if he was using drugs and alcohol back then, and she wrote a letter in support of him. Kate Moss too is still a supporter. There were never any claims of “domestic abuse” by Johnny until that Heard woman came along with her psychopathic lies. Heard incidentally had been arrested before for domestic violence in a previous lesbian relationship. Unlike Johnny, she doesn’t seem to have any history at all of stable relationships in the long or even medium term.
And who set out to destroy whom? I recall Gina Deuters’ remark that she thought Heard was the kind of woman who would try to destroy anyone who didn’t let her get her way. After their divorce I dare say Johnny was willing enough to let the whole matter be forgotten. It was Amber who stirred it all up again with her Washington Post article trying to smear Johnny. it wasn’t until then that he decided she wasn’t going to let anything drop, and he had to defend himself publicly.
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As I said, I think Jan7 is right Depp will just get worse. We’re not all going to agree That is how it is.
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I don’t suppose we will agree, Sunnygal. I would like to add a couple of things though. First, I think we have to make allowance for what is called the “artistic temperament.” Many people in the entertainment industry seem to be emotional and volatile at times, and subject to occasional outbursts. I dare say too that the pressures of “being famous” take their toll. Constantly in the public spotlight and subject to criticism for every little behavior, rushed from place to place to fulfill busy schedules, unable to sustain a regular home life relaxing with family, beset by parties and gatherings where there’s drinking and drugging–temptations to escape all these pressures–no wonder some of them fall victim to addiction or blow up from time to time, and their relationships fall apart. Personally I’d HATE to be that famous! I prefer a quiet, “normal” life, and they’re welcome to their riches and fame.
But while some of these celebrities are genuinely narcissistic and seek out this public adulation by way of “supply,” that doesn’t mean they all are. Many are “troubled” rather than “troublesome,” and it doesn’t have to add up to a personality disorder or chronic abusiveness. This seems to be the case with Johnny Depp. Sometimes addictions are a symptom of psychopathy, and when that happens the psychopathic personality comes through. But sometimes addictions are just addictions, or a means of escape, and in spite of some bad behavior a more normal personality lies underneath. What seems remarkable to me is that Johnny’s past partners still have good opinions of him overall in spite of his drug and alcohol excesses during the times they were with him. I think they saw the personality underneath and recognized him as “troubled” rather than “troublesome.”
Also it’s not necessarily true that addicts (unlike psychopaths) get worse with age. Many do recover. I’m not clear what’s currently happening with Johnny, but he has referred to his “Peruvian period” (with cocaine) as a thing of the past, so he may well be in a batter place in recent times than he was twenty or more years ago.
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There is an interesting article Johnny Depp pulled an O.J. Simpson by Brian g Gilmore in http://Brian Gilmore,medium.com
Heards attorney said she will appeal
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I couldn’t read most of Gilmore’s article without accepting a “subscription” I didn’t want, but I wasn’t impressed anyway. The guy admitted in his first sentence that he’d seen ZERO actual evidence at the trial, so what does he know? He simply made a blanket statement comparing Depp’s trial with Simpson’s, blaming “bias” for the outcomes. Yet there’s no comparison between the two. Simpson’s jury was overwhelming black. There was ONE white woman and one Native American man. So whose side were they going to be on? Depp’s jury on the other hand was not packed with “Johnny” fans, so it was far more neutral.
Also, Simpson had a “secret weapon” on the prosecution team in the form of Marcia Clark.. That obnoxious white woman so alienated the jury that she virtually sank the prosecution’s case singlehanded! She gave up trial work after her disastrous failure with Simpson. Amber Heard’s defense team didn’t make that kind of mistake, but lost on the evidence regardless.
Anyway I’m done defending Johnny. I’ve let myself be drawn into doing that when the focus in my mind is all wrong. My focus is on AMBER. No doubt Johnny has his faults, but he’s not truly dangerous. People like Amber ARE dangerous. They’re a menace to society. Even if they’re not physically violent (although some of them are), they still wreak havoc on those around them, emotionally, financially, psychologically and otherwise, with their lies, spite, predation, domination and manipulation. And they’re all the more dangerous because their machinations are often so subtle and insidious that people are taken in by them. They can exploit people’s misconceptions and prejudices. Amber for instance tried to exploit all the widespread protests about “male sexual violence” with a “MeToo” maneuver by falsely accusing Johnny of “sexual assault.” It’s a very damaging accusation, and in view of the current social climate, some people will automatically believe her instead of being skeptical based on the kind of person she is. It’s all too easy for people like her to tell blatant lies, “play victim,” and be believed, at the expense of the target of their spite.
Apart from the volumes of evidence at trial, the best testimony comes from those who have known a person most intimately. Johnny had enough ex-partners to vouch for him that way, while we have less information from intimates about Amber. However, in this respect the lack of quantity is compensated for by quality. That’s where the Deuters couple really had Amber nailed, in the most succinct manner. Gina Deuters in her article that I cited earlier could hardly have done a better job if she’d gone through a checklist of psychopathic controlling behaviors and listed which ones matched Amber. To recap:
Gina saw Johnny as the real victim in the relationship.
Amber likes fighting and is energized by it.
Amber is determined to get what she wants no matter what, and appears willing to destroy anyone who gets in her way.
Amber adopted the consciously false persona of a “subservient wife” in order to reel Johnny in. (This is instrumental behavior, quite different from the “idealization” phase seen in borderlines, which is more involuntary behavior due to mood swings and fragmented images of “self” and “other.”)
Amber RUSHED Johnny into marriage to get him trapped, after which her behavior changed. The marriage was entirely her show and not his, to the extent that some of his relatives were unable to attend. (Narcissistic behavior.)
Gina thought the marriage was more about money than love, on Amber’s side that is.
Amber is extremely controlling and manipulative. She invaded Johnny’s property as if it were her own, moving her friends in to live there. (Flying monkeys to support her, no doubt.) At the same time she isolated Johnny from his own friends and family.
Gina saw Johnny deteriorate emotionally and physically during the marriage, thanks to Amber’s treatment of him. (People like Amber do real harm.)
Stephen Deuters had to be the mediator in the marriage because nobody else was willing to deal with this awful shrew.
Oh yes, and she CHEATED on Johnny too, in a mere 15-month marriage. I’ve no doubt she’s fond of sex, but it was also an act of revenge, combined with another attempt to hook a rich man (who quickly dumped her): three motives in one.
Incidentally (not Gina’s observation), Amber falsely accused Johnny of somehow “using his children against her.” I don’t know what this was supposed to mean, but if it’s because his children didn’t like her, it’s perfectly clear why they didn’t!-whether it was her treatment of their father, or of themselves. She’s the classic “wicked stepmother.”
In short, Amber Heard is a thoroughly poisonous, not to say dangerous, woman, and I wouldn’t want to touch her with a BARGEpole. I’d give people like her a VERY wide berth! Never mind Johnny; never mind the monetary damages; I think the chief goal is to get this woman EXPOSED for what she is, to warn people against her and people like her. I hope to heaven she never has any children, to ruin their lives or possibly spawn another little psychopath like herself.
And I think that goal has been largely achieved. Out of interest, I found a poll about people’s opinions of the trial. Fifty percent didn’t follow it and had no opinion. But of the rest who did, forty percent believed Johnny was telling the truth. Only ten percent believed Amber was telling the truth. So out of those in the know, eighty percent see Amber as a liar, which is what her whole pattern of behavior suggests.
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Another article critical of the verdict is The Johnny Depp Amber Heard trial verdict will have a devastatingly chilling effect in http://www.nbcnews.com. It is by a black woman who is a writer and DV survivor
I could read the Gilmore article without a subscription. I thought he made some good points as a lawyer about why the trial was in Virginia where neither live.
There are men who are DV victims but not celebrity, millionaire &150m Depp!!
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I don’t think money makes that much difference when somebody is vulnerable to abuse and exploitation. Plenty of supposedly “strong confident” women with money have been abused and ripped off by abusive losers who manipulated them. It’s a matter of the personalities involved and the machinations of the abuser. It happens the other way round too, with predatory women exploiting rich men.
We invariably get this tiresome screech of protest from certain women when some woman is proved to be lying about abuse. What these women want is a society in which women are automatically ASSUMED to be “innocent victims telling the truth” and nobody questions it. A society like that, based on assumptions and prejudices, is extremely dangerous and fraught with miscarriages of justice. Some women DO lie about abuse. They also lie about rape, for a variety of motives, another issue that the radfem gang tried to deny and cover up. And to take a different example, shocking injustices were done during the shrieking hysteria about supposed “child sexual abuse” in day care during the 1980s, with innocent people falsely accused and imprisoned, their lives ruined. A chorus of zealots were chanting “Always believe the children! Children never lie!” But small children DO fantasize–and worse, were coached by investigators to tell outrageous stories that were not true.
All cases are individual, and we can not afford to have them decided on blanket assumptions about people. They must be diligently investigated to determine as far as possible who’s really telling the truth. Contrary to that woman’s exaggerated protest, a case that goes against her preferred outcome is a salutary reminder that we need to do that “due diligence.”.
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You too, Sunnygal.
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Johnny Depp must pay ACLU attorney fees in http://lawandcrime.com. They are $38,000.
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The article Amber Heard might’ve not been lying during the trial, experts say is an interesting article. At http://www.marca.com. The jury didn’t find her credible but many did.
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The article ‘Celebrities are unliking Johnny Depps post trial Instagram post after court documents were unsealed’ is in http://www.jazebel.com They include Robert Downey, Jr,
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The article Amber Heard Hires New Lawyers in her appeal of the verdict is in http://www.jezebel.com
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The article Amber Heards Lawyer Reacts After Exiting the Appeal of Johnny Depp Trial is in http://www.cinemablend.org.
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The article 20 Companies were called out for jokes about violence and rape during the Depp v. heard trial. Only one responded. The article is in http://www.insider.com
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Cease and desist order for pro Johnny Depp Youtuber targeting Heard PR team. This is in http://www.newsweek.com.
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Article: I need the Ipification of the Heard-Depp trial to stop, in http://www.yahoo.com. A film is coming out.
Johnny Depp Lawyer says he was too drunk or high to attack Amber. Article at http://www.jezebel.com
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Finally, the Depp v Sheard trial movie nobody wanted is here. This is in http://www.theguardian.com. The review is biased against Heard.
I wish someone who knows how would start a new thread
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I saw the trailer for the movie Paranoid. It is with Amber Heard and Liam Hemsworth. Interesting movie
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Julia Fox supports Amber Heard in November 9 podcast. Articclevin People Magazine. She says no women are safe.
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Amber Heards appeal lists 16 ways she was screwed over in the Depp/Heard trial. This is on http://www.Jezebel.com
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Amber Heard appeals decision. This is on CNN
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Amber Heard settles the lawsuit with Depp for $1 million. There are no restrictions on what she can say. This is on Fox news
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Amber Heard made a statement on Instagram. It is in the article. She said this is not an admission of guilt but if she won the appeal it would mean a third trial and she could not handle that emotionally or financially. I’m glad she can go forward.
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Amber Heard did say if a domestic violence victim comes forward she is victimized again. Unfortunately I think this is true.
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