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April 15, 2022 at 6:33 pm #67637
Hi – I am finding the Jonnie Depp and Amber Heard’s defamation trial very interesting – you can watch it on You-Tube. So far I have only watched the opening arguments, even though the trial has been going on for awhile now. But from the opening arguments what I have gained so far is – first, Jonnie’s lawyer put forth his basic case and it seemed to make a lot of sense. Basically she was saying that he has had other relationships with women and never hurt any of them and therefore denying that Amber’s allegations are true. Then Amber’s lawyers ( 2 of them ) stated their basic case. The first idea was showing that Jonnie had no justification for the lawsuit in the first case because the article that Amber wrote did not mention Jonnie in it, that she had her lawyer examine it before publication and that she was protected because of our constitution’s right to free speech. Then the other lawyer explained that Jonnie did abuse Amber physically and sexually. She went into details as much as time allowed. I was convinced about the first issue because the lawyer read the whole article that Amber wrote and I thought it did not over step legal legitimacy. About whether Jonnie abused Amber – with the understanding that I have not heard all the evidence thus far – but my take is that he did abuse her. And I am not being partial, because I have always loved Jonnie Depp and watched many of his movies. But, nevertheless, so far from what I heard, it seems to me that Amber is innocent, has been telling the truth and is not to blame. I would be interested in reading other posts from participants about their take on this trial.
April 15, 2022 at 7:41 pm #67638
Hi – it’s Polestar here again – I wanted to say that now that I’m watching actual testimonies of witnesses, I am having second thoughts about Amber’s character – for example her ex assistant speaking about how rude Amber was to her etc. – so now I’m not sure if Amber was telling the truth or not ? I guess that I will need to be more like a juror and listen to all evidence before jumping the gun – sorry everybody.
April 16, 2022 at 2:37 pm #67644
I have followed some of the trial. I was very impressed with the article Amber wrote. Our society is very biased against women. I was in a relationship that became very abusive. I complained. and was amazed how the abuser lied denying abuse and people who had been friendly believed him. Johnnie was not married to the other women as he was to Amber. I have had the experience that after marriage my husband felt very entitled and was abusive. I think it is hard for some people to be objective because they are a fan of Johnnie. I hope Amber gets a fair trial but with the bias against women in our society am not sure that will happen Johnnie also was on drugs which affect judgement. We will see how it goes
April 17, 2022 at 11:32 am #67652Donna AndersenKeymaster
Thank you for posting this. I haven’t viewed any of it, so I don’t have an opinion. But it might be helpful to understand defamation law as you watch and evaluate.
April 17, 2022 at 2:36 pm #67660
Amber saw an attorney before she published the article and was told she was exercising her freedom of speech She doesn’t mention Johnnie.
April 17, 2022 at 3:02 pm #67663
Yes, that is extremely important because no matter what happened in their personal relationship, the bottom line of her right to free speech is also on trial. And that has far reaching effects.
April 18, 2022 at 4:06 pm #67668
Hi – I was thinking more about the issue of freedom of speech and where the line is drawn when defamation comes into play. Donna mentioned to understand about defamation law and that is really crucial. Then I started considering the possibility that Amber Heard may be a psychopath. Looking at it from this point of view, she could have been the provoker and instigator in this whole situation. Psychopath’s always provoke and get the victim to react, and then the psychopath ends up looking like the squeaky clean one, or they often will play the victim card. Considering Jonnie’s alcohol and drug problem, he would not have had the emotional strength to deal with a psychopath ( actually nobody does ! ) but his addiction problem would have made him even more vulnerable. He may have reacted and gotten more and more upset. But all of the abuse allegations had already been brought up and dealt with years ago. It was already all over the media, was dealt with legally and they were divorced. At that time she had been triangulating Jonnie ( if not actually cheating on him ) with Elon Musk and her ex. She already had the right of free speech then and exercised it. That was a done deal, and they both moved on. If now currently she wanted to write an article about women’s rights, that would have been fine, but when she wrote about her own personal negative experiences that she felt were consequences from the past allegations, she was involving Jonnie even if she didn’t mention him by name because everyone would know that it was he she was referring to. This just stirred up the whole hornet’s nest again. It could be looked at as “ Hoovering “. Jonnie has always been known to be a kind and empathic person who has never been abusive his whole life regardless of his addiction problem. So I think we must really look at the possibility that Amber could be a psychopath. I think there is a lot to learn from this trial.
April 18, 2022 at 6:08 pm #67670
I won’t comment again. Everyone has their own take on this trial.
April 19, 2022 at 8:48 pm #67675
Hi Sunnygall –
That is OK with me. There is room in my world for people to agree to disagree. Thanks for your point of view.
April 24, 2022 at 5:25 pm #67720
I will just say I saw an article ‘,Johnny Depp must face Amber Heard Libel Claims’ at http://www.hollywoodreporrter,çom. It explains why Depp’s attorneys filed in Virginia where neither live. They thought the law was better for him She filed a libel claim because his attorney said her claims were a hoax
April 24, 2022 at 7:27 pm #67721
Hi Sunnygal, I am not following this trial however, there have been many articles in the Daily Mail. com with video.
IN one video Johnny was asked by Amber’s lawyer about his drug & alcohol addiction during their marriage…he did EVERYTHING in the book to use “narcissist blame shift”. He is playing a massive acting role on the stand. He is trying to use “pity me manipulation” on the jury.
Is he a narcisist???
Dr Drew show..he wrote a book on HOllywood and the high level of narcissism!!
Are they both Narcissist? most likley.
But, I do believe that he did abuse her. There is a video of him drugged/drunk up slamming kitchen cabinets and when asked about it he stated “but, I did not hit heard only kitchen cabinets”. This is something my ex would have said.
Johnny also stated in a text to a friend that he should “burn her” (refering to his wife” and the friend said drowing is better (something like that look this up)
Those are pretty sick thoughts he has.
It is a known fact that Alchoholics & drugs addicts are manipulative & liars. These use these tactics to get what they want = drugs, place to live, a ride to their drug dealer. So it does not suprise me if that he is still manipulating the jury blatantly.
April 24, 2022 at 7:29 pm #67722
He also called his ex-girlfirend mother of his kids a some something C word. Cant remember the whole quote look this up also.
He’s not a good guy behind closed doors. He knows how to act in the public. Sadly most do not see his manipulation.
April 24, 2022 at 8:55 pm #67723
April 25, 2022 at 1:51 pm #67725
Hi Sunny, there was another article in the Daily Mail of this trail with a photo of this Johnny. What I notice is EVERYDAY he comes dress differently. When he was on the stand talking about his drug & alcohol days he let his hair down around his face, wore an over sized suit and wore glasses. Today in this photo he has his hair greased back and a very sharp fitted suit.
He is playing a hollywood role in this trial. He has hired a hair, make up & costume designer no doubt to help him with each part of the trial to TRICK & MANIPULATE the jury and viewers in court & on tv.
This guy is running a con game in court. To me his mask has slipped. Sadly to those that have never been conned they will not see his subtle manipulation.
If he is doing this in court then what was he doing to her behind closed doors???
I dont really follow hollywood, I gave my tv away years ago, and dont go to the movies because I dont want to listen/watch the free mason cult/illuminati cult that they spew on behalf of evil Klaus Schwab and all his evil cohorts. TV is for “programing the minds of citizens” aka brain washing. But, I do watch for sociopathic abuse victims in the news.
Did he abuser her??…most likely at the time he was a Alcoholic & Drug user with unlimited cash to buy lots and free time (no job) to do these brain damaging vices.
The fact that he did not file in California (were he lives) and filed in at state clear accross the county is just another RED FLAG into his manipulative mindset. He also did not want her to find a top lawyer which there are alot in Hollywood. HE planned this out well in advanced to throw her off. He most likly has many lawyers in the Virgina area on retainer so that Heard could not find a good lawyer in the area and would have had to hire one outside of that city court which would cost more $$$ & hotels cost.
He is manipulatve when you lay it all out. My ex would have done this same if he had JOhnny’s kind of money. Johnny wants to distroy Heard for exposing his sickness to the world.
April 25, 2022 at 2:01 pm #67726
Jan7 He is also friends with Marilyn Manson who Evan Rachel Wood called out as being abusive The law in Virginia is against first amendment rights. That is why he chose Virginia.
April 25, 2022 at 2:46 pm #67727
Court issues a temporary restraining order against Johnny Deep just after Heard File for divorce. Courts are very cautious of doing this and the victim must have strong evidence for them to issue a restraining order.
It’s not shocking that if you read comments in the Daily Mail. com/you tube vids the majority favor Johnny vs Amber. This is what abusers do = manipulate everyone to make them believe THEY are the victim vs the real victim. Johnny does not want to be know as a “abuser” so he has the money to manipulate people by buying articles in tabloids & net infavor of him and make the victim look like the real abuser.
He was a mean drug/alcholic who used cocaine, pills and whiskey (his preferred drink) these all I imagine really destroy the brain ability to be normal if used like he used ALL day long.
See Dr Daniel Amen you tube videos and MRI images of what cocaine, alcohol, pills do to your brain = not good.
April 25, 2022 at 3:38 pm #67728
Jan7 I agree alcohol and drugs damage the brain big time. Most sites are pro Johnny There is a bias against women complaining about male abuse there is an article at http://jezebel.com titled Johnny Depp and Amber Heard Defamation Trial Has Become Impossible to Stomach by a survivor of sexual trauma and relationship abuse that is good
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April 26, 2022 at 1:14 pm #67732
April 26, 2022 at 7:01 pm #67734
Hi Sunny, interesting that Howard Stern is calling out Johnny as a narcissist. But, I do beleive that he is one.
here is part of the article on Page 6:
(Howard Stern): “…They think they can talk their way out of anything,” Stern, 68, continued. “I think Johnny Depp is a huge narcissist and what I mean by that is — he figured, ‘I’ll put this on TV and because I’m so persuasive and because I’m so smart, I’m such a wonderful guy.’”
YEP..this is a narcisist for you.
Johnny & team hired a psychologist who stated that Heard had two personality disordered. HOW MUCH MONEY DID JOHNNY PAY THIS WOMAN PSYCHOLOGIST TO SAY THIS? Witnesses are paid. So she was defiantly paid. Hope Heard sues this Psychologist for defamation.
April 27, 2022 at 12:28 pm #67735
Jan7′ Howard Stern’s statement is good!!
When Johnny was hitting cabinets in the kitchen the intent was to terrify Amber. When asked about this he said he didn’t hit her. Simply creating a violent environment is abusive!.
It was reported that he doesn’t want to get sober and clean. Subjecting a partner to your drunken, drugged state where you are totally irresponsible over and over again is abusive it is really the height of abusive behavior
He has reportedly been very verbally abusive calling her all kinds of names Verbal abuse is abuse!!
Abusers deny their abuse. He is in denial!
April 27, 2022 at 2:01 pm #67736
Hi Sunny, YES, you are correct about his behavior in the kitchen = it WAS all about “terrify Amber”…it’s all about power & control over their spouse/partner.
My ex did things like this to terrify me ie throw things but, with such anger & terrifying yelling. I had never witnessed that kind of anger and chaos from anyone before. It makes your heart stop and you want to flee. My ex would not let me flee he would follow me everywhere in the house. If I locked the door to a room he would use a tool to unlock the door.
If I asked him to slow down on icy winter roads he would speed up to 90+ mph (literally) weaving in and out of traffic. We would be slidding on the ice…it was terrifying. I would not ask him to slow down when he was in this crazy mindset I would just plan my actions if he ended up rolling the car suck as getting low to the center counsel etc & make sure my legs were not close to the engine front so I would not be injured greatly. When they are in this evil state you can not talk to them rationally or even when the are in a “good mood”…they are crazy. Throw in alcohol & drug addiction and it destortes their thinking even more.
My ex did many things like this. When I left my counselor told me that he’s actions was all to power & control over me.
I could not watch the vid with Johnny slamming the kitchen cabinet because it was too triggering.
I hope the Jury sees the truth. this will only happen if some on the Jury have endured trama/abuse/domestic abuse. Otherwise they will rule against Amber and in favor of the abuser.
April 27, 2022 at 4:10 pm #67737
Jan7 I never experienced this but experienced other behavior that was meant to terrify I wish Ambers attorneys had had an expert witness on to say that was meant to terrify Amber but it doesn’t take a genius to figure that out!!!!!! Hopefully there are some bright people on the jury.
Amber now has security people to protect her from crazies who are Depp celebrity fans Some celebrity fans are really crazy!! I remember in the Paul McCartney/Heather Mills divorce case she got death threats.
April 28, 2022 at 9:01 pm #67746
There is an excellent article at http://jezebel.com titled Amber Heard s Mental Health is being weaponized to deny her credibility. This is frequently done with domestic violence cases
A psychologist said Amber had Borderline Personality Disorder and histrionic disorder which cause her to make up stories and be the victim. Attorney Holly Davis of Kipper and Davis says. Mental health is used to scapegoat or vilify in domestic violence cases
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April 29, 2022 at 2:21 pm #67748
Good article Sunny.
here is part of that article. What is interesting is the fact that Johnny was sued in 2018 for punching a male crew member. This is a man that has anger issues.
“Depp has previously cited drugs, alcohol, and substance use struggles as the source of some of his admitted acts of violence. And his invocations of his mental health have been treated as justification or rationalization of his behavior, rather than a reason he shouldn’t be believed. A 2018 lawsuit against the actor alleges that he punched a male crew member on a movie set whilst on a drunken tirade; the attack and the male crew member’s allegations largely slipped through the cracks in the public consciousness, while Heard’s 2016 allegations continue to be widely questioned and disbelieved.
Neama Rahmani, a former federal prosecutor overseeing domestic violence cases and president of West Coast Trial Lawyers, says the recent focus on questioning only Heard’s mental condition is a tactic to “dirty her up and really attack her credibility.”
“They’re trying to paint this picture of a monster, and to kind of play into the stereotypes about liars, unstable women,” Rahmani told Jezebel. “It’s the same thing, or similar, in sexual assault cases I’ve seen where accused men will invoke the victims’ past sexual history, the way the woman was dressed. It’s about credibility.”
The hired psychlogist who said Amber has “personality disorders” went to a dinner for 4 hours with Johnny & his legal time prior to this trial. She has a financial motivation $$$$$$$ to say what ever his lawyer team wants her to say = sociopath smear campaign is what Johnny, this psychologist and the legal team are doing to Amber…like ALL narcissist and sociopath narcisiist do to their victim so they are not exposed. Johnny is just doing it on a massive scale by have cameras in the court room. He’s a sick twist man.
April 29, 2022 at 2:37 pm #67749
Jan7. Yes, It is an excellent article, great journalism! We need more like this instead of the biased misleading articles we usually see
A BuzzFeed news article says Ambers attorney said Depp punched and kicked her during a 3 day trip to Australia while he was in a blackout. Alcoholics have blackouts where they seem to be aware but are in a blackout where they don’t remember anything that happened His denial may be because he was in a blackout and doesn’t remember
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April 30, 2022 at 12:59 pm #67760
Page Six has an article Everything Amber Heard has shared about daughter Oonah Paige named after her mother who died in 2020. She was born by surrogate since Amber couldn’t carry a child. Nice article by Page Six.
There is an article ‘Debunked’ psychological diagnoses of Amber Heard must be discounted prominent psychologist warns in http://www.independent.co.uk
It seems the abuse goes on with the trial. Johnny is doodling. Playing with gummy bears and laughing while Amber is in pain. We’ll see how her testimony goes.
May 1, 2022 at 10:51 pm #67796
I was thinking of O. N. Wards book Husband, Liar, Sociopath where she keeps her real name private. Going public with complaints of domestic violence is risky.
Some think because Depp is an alcoholic/addict he is vulnerable. From my experience alcoholics are very aggressive especially in a blackout
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May 3, 2022 at 4:12 pm #67843
There is an opinion article at http://www.nbcnews.com titled Johnny Depp, Amber Heard and the harmful logical fallacy of ‘mutual abuse’. One doctor said there was mutual abuse. This writer says domestic violence is about power and control and one person is the perpetrator and the other is reacting It is not mutual.
I saw where Depp was questioned about slamming the kitchen cabinets and he said he was not trying to intimidate Amber. He said if She was scared why didn’t she leave. If she left she would have to come back and it would be very bad for her. She stayed despite being scared and photographed it for concrete evidence against him
Most reporting is very biased IMO
May 4, 2022 at 9:55 am #67849
At http://www.courttv.com the article Depp v. heard:Johnny Depp defamation trial an expert says Depp lost the London libel suit that was decided by the judge. This case will be decided by the jury.
At http://www.foxnews.com in the article Johny Depp v. Amber Heard defamation trial Ambers psychologist explained the cycle of violence, described horrible abuse and said Amber had PTSD
May 5, 2022 at 11:07 am #67857
An article titled Roe v. Wade,Met Gala, Amber Heard and what we think of women is in http://www.usatoday.com. It says the way Amber has been treated shows misogyny
The article Amber Heard s riveting testimony took apart the Johnny Depp myth in http://nypost.com
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May 7, 2022 at 9:22 am #67870
There will be a break next week. The trial will resume May 16.The trial will end May 27.
In the New York Post there is an article Amber Heard s friend eve Barlow slams women who hate her
May 15, 2022 at 1:44 pm #67915
The trial resumes tomorrow and ends May 27”In People Magazine a legal expert says the support for Depp on social media has no effect on the legal case
May 16, 2022 at 5:23 pm #67941
No, our society as a whole is decidedly not “biased against women.” That’s a self-serving myth cooked up by the radfem gang and promulgated by our deplorably biased “news” media. In fact the reverse is true overall. This is not to deny that many abused women–and men too–don’t get justice, simply because no justice system can be perfect.
As for “bias.” consider for instance just a random handful of examples:
Women-owned businesses get tax and other breaks that men-owned businesses do not.
When more men than women graduated from college, everybody wanted to redress the balance in the interests of equality by enabling more women to go to college. Today, the opposite is true. College graduates are about 60% women and 40% men. Yet nobody is concerned with correcting that back to 50/50 by giving more help to men. It seems the rule is equality for women, but not equality for men.
While there are certainly exceptions, as everyone here will know from purely personal experience, as a rule our “justice” system hits men far harder in divorce than it does women, with men losing their children AND their money to ex-wives more often than the other way round.
Women by and large get lighter sentences than men do for similar crimes.
Nearly everybody, it seems, is more disposed to protect women than they do men, physically at least. After all, on the Titanic, it wasn’t “MEN and children first,” was it? I believe there are evolutionary reasons for this, which need not concern us here, but they play a part in many people’s misconceptions today. Which in reality is the more valued sex?
Our society has changed for the worse. Millions of men fought in two World Wars, and many who survived were damaged by it. Yet most recovered, thanks in part to the emotional and other support of a society that welcomed them back as heroes and honored their service. My father did his duty to defend his country and was wounded, gassed, and temporarily blinded on the field of battle. He must have seen horrors. Yet as we know, most men don’t tell their stories. They simply “get on with it,” as my father did, and went on to live a happy life with my mother.
All this changed in the 1960s. The men who fought in Vietnam, many against their will, were not treated as heroes. Returning, they were met by hordes of shrieking leftists who spat on them and vilified them for doing their duty to their country. They never got the gratitude and support that men like my father did, and many remained damaged, as we know.
Our “news” media are always publishing articles about the challenges faced by women. No doubt these are real enough, but very little space is devoted to the challenges faced by men, which are equally real. In general the rule seems to be that women get the support, while men are left to shift for themselves and get on with it.
Of course the topic of this thread, about Johnny Depp and Amber Heard, is domestic abuse, which is why I’m writing this. And when it comes to domestic abuse, most of it is equal overall between men and women. Sometimes it’s the man, sometimes it’s the woman, and half of the time it’s both. Fair enough, if it comes to a knock-down drag-out physical fight, the woman is likely to get the worst of it. But plenty of men get injured too by abusive women, because they won’t fight back to defend themselves, And women are more likely than men to assault a partner with a weapon, such as a blunt object or even a kitchen knife. Apart from that, so much abuse is not physical, but verbal and emotional, where men have no advantage, and that’s equal too, beside being psychologically devastating.
In the old days when more people lived in small towns or neighborhoods, these communities had better knowledge of this: one place where personal experience reflects the reality of humans at large. They knew who was a bastard and who was a bitch, because they’d known these people most of their lives.
I have an old book of Andy Capp cartoons, published in England in the late 1950s, and it’s interesting to see how domestic violence was pictured there. Sometimes it was Andy giving Florrie a black eye. Sometimes it was Andy running down the road with a bump on his head, Florrie pursuing him with a rolling pin. Sometimes they were both scrapping together. This is a pretty accurate picture of what went on in rough northern England industrial towns, even down to the detail that Andy used his fists, while Florrie used a weapon.
When Richard Straus and Murray Gelles started their research on domestic violence in the 1970s, they were under the impression that men were the main perpetrators. They were surprised to find from their surveys that this wasn’t true. Again, a quarter of the time it was just the man hitting the woman. But a quarter of the time it was just the woman hitting the man. The other half of the time they were both into it. Given anonymity, perpetrators themselves were willing to admit to this.
But when Straus and Gelles published or spoke publicly about their findings, they were screamed down by gangs of radfems, even receiving bomb threats. The same happened to their colleague Suzanne Steinmetz. When she published a book on the Battered Husband Syndrome, she got similar treatment, receiving death threats and threats to harm her children. I understand she later gave up the work because it was too dangerous. The females responsible for this should have been prosecuted as domestic terrorists, except that it was hard to pin down who was responsible.
The radfem gang similarly betrayed the lesbian community by ignoring any domestic violence that went on there (which of course it does, just as much as in heterosexual relationships), in order to preserve their myth of “universal female innocence.” Camille Paglia, who knew better, related the horrors that go on in some lesbian relationships, including assaults with knives, guns, and boiling water.
Today , unfortunately, too many people are dependent on and misinformed by our “news” media who paint a distorted picture of reality. Articles on domestic violence invariably present women as victims, men as aggressors, and little attention is given to the many times it happens the other way round. No wonder many members of the public, misled by this garbage, end up being prejudiced against men.
I hope I don’t need to add that none of this in any way invalidates the experiences of women on this site, which I’m sure are perfectly real and tragic. Nor is this personal on my part. I’ve had a good enough life and a lovely wife, who sadly passed away eight years ago. So no grudges on that account–but I don’t like what I see happening “out there.” We can’t just read the “news”; we have to dig deeper to find out what’s really going on.
Unfortunately too, this public distortion of reality is partly because women are far more likely to tell their stories of abuse in public than men are. This is due to psychological differences between men and women that I won’t go into here. But the result is that women’s accounts of abuse are heard far more often than men’s. Men are also discouraged from doing so. I have seen message boards full of women telling their stories, and no doubt some men are discouraged from posting there because they think “oh, it’s a women’s site.” And if they do, they’re likely to meet suspicion and hostility from the women there. They are not treated equally. They get challenged with remarks like “Oh, really? I’d like to hear what your WIFE has to say about that.” Women’s stories by contrast are automatically accepted as true, even though some of them aren’t, and some of them are abusers in disguise. I recall in particular one notorious female who claimed her ex-husband was a “narcissist,” though it was obvious to me from her shocking behavior that SHE was the textbook narcissist. I’m happy to say that doesn’t happen on this site of Donna’s.
But down to the main topic of Johnny and Amber. Who’s really at fault there? I recently read a most enlightening article on PageSix giving Gina Deuters’ personal knowledge of the pair. Gina is the wife of Stephen Deuters, who is Johnny’s longtime business partner, while she has known Johnny for nearly twenty years and has been close to the situation.
First, about Johnny, whom Gina has observed up close and personally, and whom she sees as a decent guy. She has never seen him behave aggressively toward women, never seen him get nasty even while drinking of using drugs. She had never seen him lose his temper.
This is borne out by Johnny’s personal history. While he’s had numerous relationships with women–and being a celebrity can be hard on marriages–it seems that none of them have a bad word to say about him. He did have a bit of trouble dating Kate Moss, but she’s described as having a “fiery” temperament and is no doubt hard to get on with. His first wife in particular, Lori Allison, though they split for reasons of incompatibility, has remained his friend and supporter and called him “one of the softest people I know.”
If Johnny never abused women before, why should he suddenly start now? All this suggests there’s a problem with Amber Heard, not with Johnny.
As for Amber, Gina says her husband describes her as a “sociopathic show pony.” Gina tells us that Amber is “cold.”
Amber intimated to her that she “enjoys fighting” for its own sake. Gina was “unnerved” by this. What kind of woman was she speaking with?
Amber’s behavior early in the relationship puzzled Gina, because she turned herself into the perfect subservient “Stepford wife” catering to Johnny’s every need, quite unlike her usual assertive personality. Obviously this was a fake persona she adopted for the purpose of “love bombing.” Needless to say, once she “had” Johnny, her behavior changed in short order.
Amber RUSHED Johnny into marriage, so fast that even some of his family were not given time to get to the wedding.
Amber is domineering and controlling. Everything is about HER and what SHE wants. The wedding was HER party, not for Johnny as well.
She took over Johnny’s property as if it were her own, moving her own friends into it, while she ISOLATED Johnny from his family and friends.
And if Amber doesn’t get her way, she is willing to DESTROY people who oppose her, which is what she’s tried to do to Johnny since they broke up.
Their marriage was so bad that Gina’s husband Stephen was obliged to act as a mediator between them, so his impressions match Gina’s.
In short, the perfect picture of a female PSYCHOPATH. But as Gina implied, what can you do when somebody falls for a psychopath?
And don’t forget what else psychopaths do. THEY LIE. So no doubt when Amber claims that Johnny “abused” her, she’s lying through her teeth. People can be “destroyed with words just as much as with a gun. Unfortunately psychopaths often lie all too convincingly, to naive people willing to believe them.
It may be that Amber has been abused in the past–by someone. She may have come from a personality disordered family, Or she may just be playing “victim,” as these people do. But that’s no excuse for her behavior now. Gina sees Johnny as the real victim here.
Assuming this is true–and it does have the ring of truth, forming a well-known pattern of psychopathic behavior–I can only hope the truth will come out and she will be seen for what she is, while Johnny will be exonerated.
May 16, 2022 at 9:06 pm #67944
How people behave when they’re drunk depends on their inner personality. I think there are three types. Many people are “happy drunks.” That’s why being drunk is referred to as “merry,” “lit up,” “feeling no pain” and so forth.
Then there’s the :sad drunk,” the “maudlin drunk” who cries in his beer.
But there’s also the “angry drunk,” the “raging drunk.” That’s the type to watch out for!
May 16, 2022 at 9:13 pm #67945
I read the ”Independent” article supposedly “debunking” Amber’s diagnosis, but I was not impressed. This female psychologist has an agenda sticking out a mile. She can hardly be objective. If you don’t like a diagnosis, just pretend the disorder doesn’t exist? “Nothing to see here…” Her description of borderline and histrionic personality disorders as “highly contested” is a gross exaggeration. Her óutrage that these disorders are still in the DSM is totally misplaced. Besides, she hasn’t even seen Amber, so what can she know about her?
More interesting was the Grauniad article about these diagnoses by Dr. Shannon Curry. Admittedly experts do disagree on diagnoses. It surprised me that Amber would be labeled a borderline. Is she really “unstable,” or did she know what she doing all along? But “histrionic” I can certainly believe. I noticed especially that Amber PUNCHED a female friend of hers on a shopping trip!
P.S. Sorry about the bad link. I can’t figure out why it doesn’t work, Here’s the original again:
May 17, 2022 at 1:05 am #67947
I think the Independent article debunking Amber’s diagnosis is very good I agree with this warning
When someone is drunk or in a blackout they don’t remember what they did. This is important to remember
People have very different takes on this case. That is for sure!!
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