This article talks about work we do when we are ready to work on clearing the influence of betrayals from our minds and emotional systems. It is about recovering our feelings of safety in the world and moving forward to create better and happier lives. Those of us who are still battling our betrayers, still clarifying our feelings of outrage or still developing our self-defensive skills may feel outraged by the very idea of forgiving. And so they should. Forgiving is something we do “at our leisure,” later when we have the time to think about restoring our emotional systems to a pre-warzone state. Ultimately we want to be positive, creative, optimistic people — without ever forgetting the lessons we learned in our histories. This article is about what we do, when we’re ready to put it all behind us. — Kathy
“Forgiveness is a dangerous passage.” This is a quote from an unknown source on the white board on my office. It’s been there for years and every time I think about cleaning it off, I think “oh not yet.” The temptation to forgive for the wrong reasons is something I don’t want to forget.
In this tenth article of this series on recovering from traumatic relationships, we will discuss the process of forgiving. It is a bridge between the grieving/letting go and the rebuilding phases.
Why bother?
A lot of people have a lot of opinions on forgiveness. Most religious or spiritual disciplines will tell us that forgiving is essential to our spiritual health. On a more mundane level, we may we aware that our friends and supporters are losing patience with our extended healing process, or may be pressuring us to get over it. On a more personal level, we may want to reenter the world without all this emotional baggage that makes us so hyper-conscious of potential threats that we have a hard time seeing or taking advantage of opportunities for good experiences.
In my mind, the only reason to ever consider forgiving is that we want to free out minds of the residue of anger that hangs on after we grieve and let go. There are other benefits we get out of forgiveness, but the first motivation has to be to improve the “quality of life” in our own minds. It’s a matter of our relationship with ourselves.
In addition, I believe there are a few prerequisites to really forgiving anything. The most important of them is that our suffering is fading. (That doesn’t mean that we’re not still dealing with repercussions of some sort, but that the level of pain has diminished to the point where it’s less important than our desire to get over it.)
The other one is that we have the stability and presence of mind to know that we can forgive without getting back into the situation that caused us all this pain in the first place. If we’re still attracted to that situation or others like it, we’re leapfrogging ahead to forgiving before we’ve done the preliminary work of getting angry at our betrayers, developing defensive skills, and facing the fact that there are things we just cannot fix or change.
What is NOT a good reason for forgiving is some sort of social expediency, because we have to deal with our betrayers or with other people who are not sympathetic or pressuring us to get over it. There are other ways to handle that situation.
Here are some of the things we may be thinking as we approach forgiving:
• These angry or frightened feelings don’t have any place in my life anymore. I want to move on.
• I’m ready to find more interests than this bitterness
• I want to clean up my emotional system so I become more positive and optimistic
• I’m starting to remember how I felt before all this happened, and I want to recover some of that joy of life.
• This just isn’t worth the energy I’ve been giving it
But to forgive, we have to overcome one major obstacle. Fear. Forgiving is actually part of overcoming fear. But we have to face it head on too.
Fear and forgiveness
The progress of healing involves us becoming more and more real about what happened and how we feel about it. In anger, we get closer to recognizing our fear, but our reaction is to throw things at it — blame, threats, vengeance, work on fixing things so it never happens again. In grieving and letting go, we accept the specific losses that we have endured. While that is good work, it also clarifies our vulnerability to random events or to specific threats in the world. We may work on accepting that vulnerability, along with our other losses, but it doesn’t change the fact that it exists.
And so now, our increasing awareness of the costs of our vulnerability raises a new issue. How do we live with the fear?
This question makes sense of all we’ve been through to process the trauma. We may have dabbled with fear in our processing. Asking ourselves “what if” this or that. What if no one ever loves me again? What if I am really too stupid to live? But we never sat down to really look it hard in the eye.
Because fear is an extremely uncomfortable emotion. In fact, if we look at all the so-called negative emotions, including shame and guilt, and do enough digging down, we find fear at the bottom of them. Other than love, it is the most fundamental emotion. And it is the antithesis of love or connectedness. We literally can’t feel love and fear at the same time. One will overtake the other.
Fear is designed to stop everything else until it is resolved. It generates the noises of anxiety and need for immediate relief, while blocking or compromising our ability to see into the future, our ability to fully recognize and enjoy what is around us, and our ability to take the normal risks involved in forward movement in our lives. It eats up our energy in a million ways and drives us toward behaviors that are about nothing but self-protection and relief from the mental noise.
This is why facing and acknowledging the fact that we are afraid can be such a powerfully transformative thing, all by itself. It is a form of clearing away all the intermediate structures of trauma-processing and getting down to the center of it in a totally authentic way. So we are no longer lying to ourselves or pretending. So that we are no longer trying to talk ourselves into irrational ideas about being stronger or safer than we are. So that we are finally clear about the fact that the universe whacked us and we don’t know when it will whack us again. It is out of our control.
This is tough stuff, the toughest of the entire grief process, and until we are ready for it, we can’t do it. Our minds won’t let us. We will slip and slide away into denial or bargaining or anger or another round of grieving and letting go, all the things that we know made us feel better than the stage before. And that is fine. Our minds have their own wisdom, and we face this issue when we have the structural underpinning in place to do this. It’s why the healing process is progressive.
But one way or another, when we come to think about forgiving, we’re going to run into this issue. How can I safely forgive if I really don’t know when I’m going to be facing the same thing again, or something worse? Or vice versa, how can I experience my fear if I’m relaxing my angry alert and protection systems by forgiving?
This trauma was nothing compared to the first one
The experience of trauma is built into our emotional histories. In a way, every trauma we experience is a replay of the primal trauma that every child experiences, the transition from life inside the womb to life out of it. It is the fundamental “expulsion from the Garden of Eden” which transfers us from a situation where we are fed, warmed, held, connected to our source to a new situation in which we are separate and dependent for our survival on things that are out of our control.
The developmental activities of the first four years are actually about the child navigating that separation to acquire certain basic intellectual perspectives and emotional skills necessary to healthy personality formation. It is our first experience of trauma processing. It occurs both on a macro level of gradual emotional acceptance of separation from the “source” and on a detail level of dealing with separate events that trigger fear, disappointment and uncertainty. If all goes well, we maintain steady bonds with our caretakers that allow us to ease into independence, self-soothing skills and the beginnings of empathy.
So we “know” what trauma means from a very early age. One way of describing trauma is that it is an unexpected breach of the rules we took for granted. Or the rules we depended on for our survival and sense of security in the world.
A whole series of emotional reactions to this breach are reasonable and normal. All the emotional stages we discuss in trauma processing, as well as others that we have not discussed in depth, such as feelings of betrayal, rejection or shame. If we go back to the nature of the first trauma, it makes sense that we would feel offended. One day our life is one thing; the next thing it’s another. What are we supposed to think? At minimum, it would be reasonable to think we are being unreasonably screwed with.
This brings us back to the primal argument. Because who, ultimately, is screwing with us? To cut a long discussion short, our big argument is not with any one persecutor in this world, not our parents, not our selfish lovers, not with the truck that hit us. It’s with God or the universe, or however we look at the overall intelligence that organizes this place. Because clearly that big intelligence has forgotten that we were previously important enough to have the suite at the center of the universe, and for reasons not made clear, we have been demoted to just one small, helpless life form in this place full things and life forms that clearly do not recognize our centrality.
Welcome to the first time we felt the fear of being vulnerable and alone. And to the basic human challenge of living with those feelings at the same time we experience love, trust, some kind of internal dignity, and the ability to risk moving forward with our lives.
There is no human being who has not been through this. And there is not one of us who doesn’t live with this challenge on a daily basis in some part of our consciousness.
It’s important to know this, because as we move forward with dealing with our own fear, we also know that some people have found ways of managing it more effectively than others.
The cost of doing business.
We have these bodies. They have their own intelligence and they want to survive. Our spirituality has its intelligence. Our intellect has its intelligence. Our emotional system has its intelligence. (See Daniel Goleman’s books on various forms of intelligence for wonderful discussions of this topic.) They are all integrated and mutually supportive, but the body is the instrument and the house where it all plays out, and one of the body’s primary vocabulary words is fear.
We cannot get away from this, but we can decide what we’re going to do about it. And that is where forgiving comes in.
There are a lot of dictionary definitions of forgiving, but for our purposes in this article, we are going to experiment with a new one. That is, making a decision about how much energy we want give to a certain source of fear in our lives.
This is not about minimizing the damage or our struggle to get over it. It is not about condoning other people’s bad behavior or the real dangers we face in the world.
Rather it is about recognizing something about ourselves. We have done all reasonable work to identify the problem, to protect ourselves in the future, to let go of what we have discovered is now gone, and to face our fear. We know what we are afraid of. Now, we consider a decision about reclassifying the issue as something we may or may not run into, something that is (to some degree) out of our control. We begin to consider whether or not we are served by continuing to let fear of this thing drain resources that could be spent on positive forward movement.
Forgiving is not the same as denial, because we make this decision with full awareness of our losses and our future risks. It involves no forgetting. We respect all the information we have gathered, in case we need it again. We respect all the feelings we have gone through, because they are part of the truth of this experience. We just decide to start withdrawing our energy, turning off that faucet, and shifting our attention to other things.
What forgiving is and isn’t
Forgiving is a decision we make and then gradually follow through, adapting that decision to our own comfort level. It is a decision we make from a position of power over the one thing we truly have power over, our own choices. Especially that supreme choice of where we place our attention.
Forgiving is something we do, knowing that we cannot totally control fear, because our bodies have their own agendas and they will generate fear if they feel it is necessary. So it also involves a deal with our bodies that we will listen to their fear, that we will not become airy-fairy pseudo-Buddhists who try to stuff their fear because they think it’s unfashionable. But we make a deal with our bodies that it’s better for the entire organism if we manage our fear, reducing our investments in fear about things we already know about, and saving our big extravaganzas of fear and anxiety for the surprises.
Forgiving is about trust at two levels. First, trust that certain bad things will happen. We can look at this statistically, if we’re inclined. A certain fraction of people we meet will be destructive emotional cripples. A certain fraction of things we buy will turn out to be unusable junk. A certain number of conversations with our relatives will include uninvited comments about our choices, our characters or our weight. Trusting that these things will happen eliminates the surprise factor and enables us to plan around these statistical likelihoods.
Second, forgiving is also a kind of trophy we get for doing the work and coming out the other side of the trauma processing. In that sense, it is about renewed trust in ourselves and in the universe. What was once a huge deal is now fully digested and just a learning experience attached to some unpleasant memories. We are whole again and on generally good terms with the big intelligence that runs everything.
In all of this, you’ve probably noticed how little I’ve talked about the perpetrator. And I’m sure you understand why. Because this is really something between the various forms of intelligence in ourselves, and it is something between us and the big intelligence that runs everything.
But still we need to get down some practicalities too. So here is what forgiveness is NOT:
• It is not condoning or acceptance of anything we find hurtful, unethical, uncaring or anything else that is bad for us. (We may find ourselves releasing negative feelings about something, when we come to understand why it happened, but we don’t have to. This is not ultimately about them. It is whether we’re ready to move on.)
•It is not about compartmentalizing or denial. We are not “stuffing” it or pretending it never happened. We’re not trying to convince ourselves that we haven’t just been through a battle or deluding ourselves that we’re more powerful than we are. We are just gradually shifting our attention away from it, as we feel comfortable doing so. We are gradually reclaiming our interest in other things.
• It is not a reason for re-involving ourselves with people or situations that hurt us. We don’t forgive so we can jump into that pool again. The only reason we would do that is if we have evolved past the point of being hurt by what hurt us before (something that doesn’t often happen) or if the person or the situation has gone through some kind of cosmic surgery and is now something else. Remember, forgiving comes AFTER we have learned self-protection in the angry phase and let go of whatever got us into this situation. If we forgive because we want to do the same thing all over again ”¦ well, you don’t need me to tell you what you’re volunteering for.
• Likewise, it is not a social cure. If we’re forgiving because we’re embarrassed about being such a bore, or because our bad feelings are alienating our families, or because we want to get along better with people who just don’t get it, we victimizing ourselves all over again. We’re giving away our authority over our own feelings, and trying to force ourselves to feel something we don’t, in order to be accepted. If it’s really important that we not communicate the full force of the outrage or grief we’re dealing with – like in a work situation or in court — we can do that. We can selectively choose where, when and how much we share, while we continue to work through our trauma privately. The ability to do this — letting some people in and keeping others out — is good practice in developing the skills of conditional trust.
• There is no reason that we have to forgive people to their faces or even let them know about it. In fact, if we’re really ready to stop wasting energy, we probably won’t. We don’t just stop bothering with them in our heads; we stop bothering with them in real life. We avoid engagement. If we have to spend energy on some kind of mop-up or dealing with continuing drama from their side, we handle it with an eye toward ending all of it, because we want to be done with it.
Finally, forgiving is not an all-or-nothing thing. Nor is it a carved-in-stone solution. We don’t say, “Oh, I’ve decided it’s not worth caring anymore about what he (or she) did to me, and now I have to not care about the new thing he (or she) is doing to me.” It doesn’t work that way. Forgiving is a way of allocating our own resources. If new circumstances require us to grab a sword and slay a few dragons before dinner, then we do it. After we come home and shower, we can decide whether we’re ready to forgive the loss of our afternoon, or if we need to spend more time processing that little irritation.
And if we absolutely feel like we must announce our decision to forgive to the sociopath, here’s a suggested forgiveness note:
I’ve decided not to give you any more attention. I’m not going to track you down, hire a hit man or sue you for theft or mental suffering. I’ve dealt with my losses by myself. But don’t confuse this with weakness. The next time you show up, it won’t be such a pleasant or profitable experience for you. I also advise you to you grow up, for your own sake. Not everyone is as forgiving as me. As Henry the XV said to a murderous friend, “I pardon you, but I also pardon whoever kills you.”
In the next article, we begin on the wonderful topic of becoming who we want to be.
Namaste. The wise emotional accountant in me salutes the wise emotional accountant in you.
Kathy
Dearest Geminigirl, OMGosh! You have been thru alot I have been trying to catch up on your posts as well, and I am so sorry that you have been thru so much. It really makes me angry to imagine these things being done to you. Im just praying that you are healing and am glad you are here. THank you for posting your stories, and know that we care deeply.
Witsend- I just finished past posts when Oxy and Ltl were all concerned about your situation with your son! Those were the first that I’ve read that you expressed concern for your safety like this. Things have escalated, I hate to hear this, but not entirely surprised at all. I agree with the advice of keeping aware of your safety at all times with him.
My downfall when violence erupted with my son (he grabbed me and threw me down/ turned over furniture, etc.) was that I DID NOT realize the potential of him becoming violent with me- I was in denial. Signs were there (here we go again with seeing red flags). He had knocked a hole in the wall before when in a rage.
I think before I mentioned to you that when you are in arguement with him ALWAYS, ALWAYS keep a SAFE distance. In a rage, it is too easy since they have no impulse control to begin with, to reach over and grab you.
I bounced from one extreme to the other from being super paranoid about my safety, to just being too tired and stressed to think about it anymore. Sometimes during the trauma of it all, I kind of zoned out, a coping mechinism no doubt that I sort of fantasized that nothing was wrong in my life, that none of it was real.
But it was real, and I am making it thru it as you will as well. I just can imagine the conflicts that you are mentally going thru. As you, I mourned the fact that no one was around to be the heavy. No male dominant force to keep my son in line. Although, sadly even if you had someone else there- you son still could not be controlled.
My advice- which you may or may not agree, is to avoid the arguements as much as possible. Thats not to say that you are to give in to him- NOT at all, but a war of words dosent get you anywhere ecsept stressed and could escalate into more. ACTIONS speak more than words.
He may only respect you if he knows that you are fully prepared to call the police, or whatever actions needed to handle his bad behavior.
Fear is the only thing they(somewhat) respect.
Mostly,the threat of jail is only a MILD deterent but it provides some leverage as jail is uncomfortable for these superiorly entitled individuals.
My son hated me for “sending him to jail” as he saw it, but he always knew I wouldnt hesitate if it were necessary in my eyes. He even made comments to his friends like-” NO, we cant go to Mom’s to hang out, she will call the cops on me!”
My son for years has made sarcastic remarks about the fact that I have and will put him in jail . I think it may be the only thing that has kept him less violent with me,as he has given his current gf 3 black eyes, and Im sure way more violence than I will ever know. Im not trying to keep on and on about my situation, this is about yours, but Im hoping in some small ways my experiences may help as I see alot of similarities, take care. xoxox
Sabrina,
It is something I have to remind myself about, often. My son has not yet ever put a hand on me. However I believe I saw his capacity for it. It’s in him. At this particular time there was a power struggle between us. He wanted to do something and I was not allowing it. His anger escalated at a faster pace than I have seen before and he had what I can only describe as a wild, raw look in his eyes. He took steps towards me, to get into my space…And I actually took steps back, away from him. I took his coming towards me as being aggressive. I FELT unsafe. I saw in him the potential to “go there”. It was during this period of time (couple of really bad weeks, where everything seemed to escalate from bad to worse) That I became aware of the fact that I didn’t just fear FOR him, for what his life might be like with whatever disorder he has….But I had developed fear OF him as well.
This has not repeated itself since that time. I also have not put myself in that kind of position since then. I believe his anger escalated so quickly because he was luring me into the war of words, so to speak. I have tried very hard to walk away from word wars since then.
After deb threw the heavy iron at my head, an elderly pastor who ran a prayer group in his home cme to see me. he told me that deb [at that time she was about 17or 18} hadan evil spirit in her which came and went. he called it a “walk-in”. he told me what to do if I was ever alone with he in the house, if she threatend me with violence. he said,”Point to he, and say,Put that down,{whatever the object of attack was}and in the name of jesus Christ, I rebuke you, satan!” Well, I thought this was a bit over the top and wasnt sure if I believed all this satan, evil spirit business. however, I had occasion soon after to put it to the test. My ex was going out, driving a cab for some spare money, and he told Deb she was to stay home and do all the ironing for me, and was only allowed togo out when she had finished it. Then he left me with her. She went into her room, ironed one shirt, and then cam out and said,”Im going out now, and you cant stop me!” I said. “Dad says you are to finish all the ironing, and then maybe Ill let you go out.” At this, she picked up one of our heavy bar stools, held it over her head, and yelled,”You f—ng bitch! get out of my way, or Ill break this over your head!”
I started to shake, as she is tall and well built, but remembered what the old pastor had told me to do. I pointed at her, and,{not using the word satan], I said,In the nameof jesus Christ, I orderyou to put that down, and go and finish the ironing!”. Well! she put it down, loking like a stunned Ox.
Went off, was half an hour doing all the ironing, and this is what really scared me sh–tless, said in a little girl voice,
“Ive done allthe ironing Mummy, can I go out now, please?”
yes, you can I said.”Thank you Mummy,!” still in this little girl voice. I sat on the top stepof the stairs, and shook, for half an hour. “Harold,{the pastor}, had been right! Maybe it WAS a walk in!The walk in {if it was such,} came and went for years, and Im still not even sure if shes free of it today.
Sabrina
Re your post from yesterday. Does this give you any hope? (read on).
The isolation and lack of your old zest for life – well I have been stuck in that for over a year now. In the past few weeks, however, I have somehow found the impetus to grab hold of myself and get moving. I felt absolutely paralysed all of last year – it was like been gripped by a terrible fear, yet there was no threat. I felt so humilated, embarrassed and ashamed and couldn’t face old friends very easily.
Today, I went on a 35 mile cycle ride with one of my oldest friends – we got soaked, we laughed at ourselves and each other – and with each other. It was a great day. A month ago, I couldn’t have imagined that I’d be doing this. Something in me has suddenly ‘shifted’. I am starting to put my welfare at the top of my list (not at the expense of others – as with S/N/Ps).
A few days ago, I had the worst day in such a long time – I cried on and off the whole day, couldn’t eat, couldn’t relax – it was awful. I was wrestling with my current circumstances – nightmare financial mess (due to the S and his manipulations and conning). The following day, I sat down and took a long hard look at what I could change with this and have put the wheels in motion to take some pressure off myself – although it meant sacrificing a long term investment and goal so that I am able to stay afloat. I realised that, if I didn’t do this NOW, I wouldn’t be able to muster the strength the move out of this black hole.
I truly understand when you say that you have no desire to get out with friends, exercise etc and the depression IS terribly debilitating. I think you HAVE to tackle the islolation first. I had to reach out to people to bring them back into my life – and when I did, they were there for me – it wasn’t instant but, little by little, I am engaging with the world again. Being around people who treat you with respect and affection is very healing – when I say affection, I don’t be pandering to you and arms around you stuff, just being easy in your company and allowing you to do the same – no games, no names, no agendas – it restores us to sanity – I think.
You have to start somewhere and when one is depressed, it’s often hard to get motivated to do things on your own – like exercising – so maybe the people could be a starting point for you? Why punish yourself any longer? Just a thought……
All love
GeminiGirl, thankyou so much for sharing. Your stories have me at the edge of my seat waiting to hear more!!
I believe in what you are saying about the possibility of Deb having the “walk in” demonic spirit your pastor spoke of. I know some people may not be open to the concept, but I have been exposed in my lifetime to similar situations, and I believe wholeheartedly as I’ve seen evidence of this also.
The bible verifies this in ephesians 6: 12 (had to look this up!)” we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalites,against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness…”
It goes on to say -(to protect ourselves from evil) to take up the whole armour of God- truth..righteousness.. and above all Faith ,to enable you to extinquish the “fiery” darts of the wicked. verse 19- says to pray in order for words to be “fearlessly” given to you to make the gospel known. (kind of what you did when saying “In the name of Jesus”)
(Words are powerful!)
This is just more evidence that the Bible is our road map and EVERY answer can be found by applying His word to Our situation. Thanks GeminiG for reinterating the fact that we are NOT ALONE in the fight against good and evil. We have
Escapee- Thankyou so much for sharing your story and where you are at with all of us. Yes, its does help me so much.
I am about 10 mos N/C with x n/p but only recently with my P son. I think I delayed the realization with my son that he is toxic b/c I literally could not take on both situations simultaneously. I was in shock that both of them (altho not related) are dangerous human beings. My “hope” for my son was that maybe other dysfunctions were present- something that medications could help- being a S, to me is pretty much a death sentence. Sorry to be so honest?? in my glim feelings/assessments. I wasn’t ready to give up hope that something could change him- AND anything is possible, BUT I am facing what it is TODAY.
It means so much to me, Escapee that you shared your story and like me, you probally dont talk to many others about it. Most people cant handle the direness of it all, and in discovering the “evil” that walks among us, makes some uncomfortable to the point of sticking their heads in the sand.
I percieve alot of that reaction to be fear based and their own weaknesses. I say that , not as judgemental, but as I have been there myself- “Pretending” that these people dont exist is the “WORST” reaction, as you are a sitting duck for those who prey on the unknowing,weaker defenders of their boundaries and personal space.
This is a safe place to be “real.” EVEN in this isolation I am going thru- as ya’ll suggested- PTSD, depression maybe ???? I dont really feel “depressed” per se. Mostly my spirits are up and am thankful that I am content where I am in life.
Know what I mean? I just know that I cant go on forever missing out on the life that is out there. My daughter deserves to have an outgoing Mom again.
Escapee, good for you for getting out with your friend, how fun and wonderful!!! I will meditate on that uplifting picture in my mind!! take care ..xoxox
P.S. Escapee, I hope you didnt feel like on a previous post, days ago that I was tryin to push my beliefs on you or others. I am sorry if it did. I just know that my faith has made ALL the difference, and I have experienced real evidences of GOds love and my intent for sharing as I have is ONLY due to my desire to help others to achieve that peace. But no “force feeding” of my beliefs were ever intended!:) I respect others immensely.
Witsend- I wanted to respond to you also as my time later today is short. I can identify with where you are right now with your son. You are in the discovery stages about your son, in this you are more able to formulate your game plan BASED IN REALITY, not speculation or pie in the sky wishes.
Thank goodness you have this knowledge learned at LF- you are far ahead of the game than I was years back! I was clueless on personality disorders!! You wont make the same mistakes OVER and OVer that I did.
When you take out “beat your head against the wall til you bleed” reasoning tactics with him- You’ve just saved yourself HOURS of exhaustion.
Its like you already have the play book, a glimpse of his reality. After the sadness of it all subsides somewhat, and the reality is there in front of you (as I am right now) you can make “educated” decisons, not so much hit or miss as we have before.
Not to say that you can EVER predict what he may do next- but you darn sure KNOW what he WONT do- which is nothing that dosent benefit HIS needs in some way. I cried for months, years over the possibilty of losing my son- never having a real life with him- but you know what? After years of his crazy making, Its A RELIEF to not have any contact with him- when I face the truth of what he is like to be around.
You are not at that place yet or your decision may not be as mine was- but know that time has a way of taking care of alot of things.
You are surviving with him right now and thats the best you can do is to accept it. I say this b/c accepting my son for “what it is” was the hardest for me. THe pain I felt whenever others talk about their “normal” children has lessened. I dont continue to yearn for what is not (as much). My thoughts and prayers are with you!
Dear Geminigirl,
You said it all in your post on Saturday June 20, just after midnight here….and the black mail they are using with your grandchildren and “seeing” them still isn’t going to let you have a relationship with those children, even at the PRICE the girls are “charging you” and in my estimation the price is too high, WAY too high. I think you have decided the same thing. It is a shame, of course, for both you and the kids, but it isn’t something that YOU can control.
You are a fortunate woman to have your wonderful husband and another chance to live a peaceful and good life with a loving companion—-I am glad that you have chosen to NC your daughters and get on with your life. It is a difficult decision I know, I am NC with almost all of my family except for two sons, and my husband is deceased, but even if you were totally ALONE you would be bette roff than with these blood sucking relatives! BE STRONG!!!! It is worth it!!!
Sabrina
Absolutely don’t feel you or anyone else here pushes any beliefs on any other. I posted a few days ago to James that I ‘envy’ (hate that word because it implies a jealousy or a wanting to take away from another but in the absence of any other…) your faith. I think it is great to have a belief in a ‘higher power’ – it must be a huge comfort at times to feel that there is some benevolent god up there watching over you / helping you.
Hope you can muster the energy to reclaim and take ownership of your life again – keep posting for strength … maybe say a prayer to your god on my behalf and others here who are struggling in recovery. Thanks girl!
Escapee-You are a really cool person and absolutely, I prayed for you and this entire site for God’s love to be revealed in the lives represented here.
You guys here give me renewed faith that genuine,good people are plentiful!
I did go have sushi with a friend last nite, work out at gym, and listen to karoake for awhile at a little bar in town. WOW! Big night out for me. I see glimpses of the old me, she’s still hanging around, just waiting to get back out!