This article talks about work we do when we are ready to work on clearing the influence of betrayals from our minds and emotional systems. It is about recovering our feelings of safety in the world and moving forward to create better and happier lives. Those of us who are still battling our betrayers, still clarifying our feelings of outrage or still developing our self-defensive skills may feel outraged by the very idea of forgiving. And so they should. Forgiving is something we do “at our leisure,” later when we have the time to think about restoring our emotional systems to a pre-warzone state. Ultimately we want to be positive, creative, optimistic people — without ever forgetting the lessons we learned in our histories. This article is about what we do, when we’re ready to put it all behind us. — Kathy
“Forgiveness is a dangerous passage.” This is a quote from an unknown source on the white board on my office. It’s been there for years and every time I think about cleaning it off, I think “oh not yet.” The temptation to forgive for the wrong reasons is something I don’t want to forget.
In this tenth article of this series on recovering from traumatic relationships, we will discuss the process of forgiving. It is a bridge between the grieving/letting go and the rebuilding phases.
Why bother?
A lot of people have a lot of opinions on forgiveness. Most religious or spiritual disciplines will tell us that forgiving is essential to our spiritual health. On a more mundane level, we may we aware that our friends and supporters are losing patience with our extended healing process, or may be pressuring us to get over it. On a more personal level, we may want to reenter the world without all this emotional baggage that makes us so hyper-conscious of potential threats that we have a hard time seeing or taking advantage of opportunities for good experiences.
In my mind, the only reason to ever consider forgiving is that we want to free out minds of the residue of anger that hangs on after we grieve and let go. There are other benefits we get out of forgiveness, but the first motivation has to be to improve the “quality of life” in our own minds. It’s a matter of our relationship with ourselves.
In addition, I believe there are a few prerequisites to really forgiving anything. The most important of them is that our suffering is fading. (That doesn’t mean that we’re not still dealing with repercussions of some sort, but that the level of pain has diminished to the point where it’s less important than our desire to get over it.)
The other one is that we have the stability and presence of mind to know that we can forgive without getting back into the situation that caused us all this pain in the first place. If we’re still attracted to that situation or others like it, we’re leapfrogging ahead to forgiving before we’ve done the preliminary work of getting angry at our betrayers, developing defensive skills, and facing the fact that there are things we just cannot fix or change.
What is NOT a good reason for forgiving is some sort of social expediency, because we have to deal with our betrayers or with other people who are not sympathetic or pressuring us to get over it. There are other ways to handle that situation.
Here are some of the things we may be thinking as we approach forgiving:
• These angry or frightened feelings don’t have any place in my life anymore. I want to move on.
• I’m ready to find more interests than this bitterness
• I want to clean up my emotional system so I become more positive and optimistic
• I’m starting to remember how I felt before all this happened, and I want to recover some of that joy of life.
• This just isn’t worth the energy I’ve been giving it
But to forgive, we have to overcome one major obstacle. Fear. Forgiving is actually part of overcoming fear. But we have to face it head on too.
Fear and forgiveness
The progress of healing involves us becoming more and more real about what happened and how we feel about it. In anger, we get closer to recognizing our fear, but our reaction is to throw things at it — blame, threats, vengeance, work on fixing things so it never happens again. In grieving and letting go, we accept the specific losses that we have endured. While that is good work, it also clarifies our vulnerability to random events or to specific threats in the world. We may work on accepting that vulnerability, along with our other losses, but it doesn’t change the fact that it exists.
And so now, our increasing awareness of the costs of our vulnerability raises a new issue. How do we live with the fear?
This question makes sense of all we’ve been through to process the trauma. We may have dabbled with fear in our processing. Asking ourselves “what if” this or that. What if no one ever loves me again? What if I am really too stupid to live? But we never sat down to really look it hard in the eye.
Because fear is an extremely uncomfortable emotion. In fact, if we look at all the so-called negative emotions, including shame and guilt, and do enough digging down, we find fear at the bottom of them. Other than love, it is the most fundamental emotion. And it is the antithesis of love or connectedness. We literally can’t feel love and fear at the same time. One will overtake the other.
Fear is designed to stop everything else until it is resolved. It generates the noises of anxiety and need for immediate relief, while blocking or compromising our ability to see into the future, our ability to fully recognize and enjoy what is around us, and our ability to take the normal risks involved in forward movement in our lives. It eats up our energy in a million ways and drives us toward behaviors that are about nothing but self-protection and relief from the mental noise.
This is why facing and acknowledging the fact that we are afraid can be such a powerfully transformative thing, all by itself. It is a form of clearing away all the intermediate structures of trauma-processing and getting down to the center of it in a totally authentic way. So we are no longer lying to ourselves or pretending. So that we are no longer trying to talk ourselves into irrational ideas about being stronger or safer than we are. So that we are finally clear about the fact that the universe whacked us and we don’t know when it will whack us again. It is out of our control.
This is tough stuff, the toughest of the entire grief process, and until we are ready for it, we can’t do it. Our minds won’t let us. We will slip and slide away into denial or bargaining or anger or another round of grieving and letting go, all the things that we know made us feel better than the stage before. And that is fine. Our minds have their own wisdom, and we face this issue when we have the structural underpinning in place to do this. It’s why the healing process is progressive.
But one way or another, when we come to think about forgiving, we’re going to run into this issue. How can I safely forgive if I really don’t know when I’m going to be facing the same thing again, or something worse? Or vice versa, how can I experience my fear if I’m relaxing my angry alert and protection systems by forgiving?
This trauma was nothing compared to the first one
The experience of trauma is built into our emotional histories. In a way, every trauma we experience is a replay of the primal trauma that every child experiences, the transition from life inside the womb to life out of it. It is the fundamental “expulsion from the Garden of Eden” which transfers us from a situation where we are fed, warmed, held, connected to our source to a new situation in which we are separate and dependent for our survival on things that are out of our control.
The developmental activities of the first four years are actually about the child navigating that separation to acquire certain basic intellectual perspectives and emotional skills necessary to healthy personality formation. It is our first experience of trauma processing. It occurs both on a macro level of gradual emotional acceptance of separation from the “source” and on a detail level of dealing with separate events that trigger fear, disappointment and uncertainty. If all goes well, we maintain steady bonds with our caretakers that allow us to ease into independence, self-soothing skills and the beginnings of empathy.
So we “know” what trauma means from a very early age. One way of describing trauma is that it is an unexpected breach of the rules we took for granted. Or the rules we depended on for our survival and sense of security in the world.
A whole series of emotional reactions to this breach are reasonable and normal. All the emotional stages we discuss in trauma processing, as well as others that we have not discussed in depth, such as feelings of betrayal, rejection or shame. If we go back to the nature of the first trauma, it makes sense that we would feel offended. One day our life is one thing; the next thing it’s another. What are we supposed to think? At minimum, it would be reasonable to think we are being unreasonably screwed with.
This brings us back to the primal argument. Because who, ultimately, is screwing with us? To cut a long discussion short, our big argument is not with any one persecutor in this world, not our parents, not our selfish lovers, not with the truck that hit us. It’s with God or the universe, or however we look at the overall intelligence that organizes this place. Because clearly that big intelligence has forgotten that we were previously important enough to have the suite at the center of the universe, and for reasons not made clear, we have been demoted to just one small, helpless life form in this place full things and life forms that clearly do not recognize our centrality.
Welcome to the first time we felt the fear of being vulnerable and alone. And to the basic human challenge of living with those feelings at the same time we experience love, trust, some kind of internal dignity, and the ability to risk moving forward with our lives.
There is no human being who has not been through this. And there is not one of us who doesn’t live with this challenge on a daily basis in some part of our consciousness.
It’s important to know this, because as we move forward with dealing with our own fear, we also know that some people have found ways of managing it more effectively than others.
The cost of doing business.
We have these bodies. They have their own intelligence and they want to survive. Our spirituality has its intelligence. Our intellect has its intelligence. Our emotional system has its intelligence. (See Daniel Goleman’s books on various forms of intelligence for wonderful discussions of this topic.) They are all integrated and mutually supportive, but the body is the instrument and the house where it all plays out, and one of the body’s primary vocabulary words is fear.
We cannot get away from this, but we can decide what we’re going to do about it. And that is where forgiving comes in.
There are a lot of dictionary definitions of forgiving, but for our purposes in this article, we are going to experiment with a new one. That is, making a decision about how much energy we want give to a certain source of fear in our lives.
This is not about minimizing the damage or our struggle to get over it. It is not about condoning other people’s bad behavior or the real dangers we face in the world.
Rather it is about recognizing something about ourselves. We have done all reasonable work to identify the problem, to protect ourselves in the future, to let go of what we have discovered is now gone, and to face our fear. We know what we are afraid of. Now, we consider a decision about reclassifying the issue as something we may or may not run into, something that is (to some degree) out of our control. We begin to consider whether or not we are served by continuing to let fear of this thing drain resources that could be spent on positive forward movement.
Forgiving is not the same as denial, because we make this decision with full awareness of our losses and our future risks. It involves no forgetting. We respect all the information we have gathered, in case we need it again. We respect all the feelings we have gone through, because they are part of the truth of this experience. We just decide to start withdrawing our energy, turning off that faucet, and shifting our attention to other things.
What forgiving is and isn’t
Forgiving is a decision we make and then gradually follow through, adapting that decision to our own comfort level. It is a decision we make from a position of power over the one thing we truly have power over, our own choices. Especially that supreme choice of where we place our attention.
Forgiving is something we do, knowing that we cannot totally control fear, because our bodies have their own agendas and they will generate fear if they feel it is necessary. So it also involves a deal with our bodies that we will listen to their fear, that we will not become airy-fairy pseudo-Buddhists who try to stuff their fear because they think it’s unfashionable. But we make a deal with our bodies that it’s better for the entire organism if we manage our fear, reducing our investments in fear about things we already know about, and saving our big extravaganzas of fear and anxiety for the surprises.
Forgiving is about trust at two levels. First, trust that certain bad things will happen. We can look at this statistically, if we’re inclined. A certain fraction of people we meet will be destructive emotional cripples. A certain fraction of things we buy will turn out to be unusable junk. A certain number of conversations with our relatives will include uninvited comments about our choices, our characters or our weight. Trusting that these things will happen eliminates the surprise factor and enables us to plan around these statistical likelihoods.
Second, forgiving is also a kind of trophy we get for doing the work and coming out the other side of the trauma processing. In that sense, it is about renewed trust in ourselves and in the universe. What was once a huge deal is now fully digested and just a learning experience attached to some unpleasant memories. We are whole again and on generally good terms with the big intelligence that runs everything.
In all of this, you’ve probably noticed how little I’ve talked about the perpetrator. And I’m sure you understand why. Because this is really something between the various forms of intelligence in ourselves, and it is something between us and the big intelligence that runs everything.
But still we need to get down some practicalities too. So here is what forgiveness is NOT:
• It is not condoning or acceptance of anything we find hurtful, unethical, uncaring or anything else that is bad for us. (We may find ourselves releasing negative feelings about something, when we come to understand why it happened, but we don’t have to. This is not ultimately about them. It is whether we’re ready to move on.)
•It is not about compartmentalizing or denial. We are not “stuffing” it or pretending it never happened. We’re not trying to convince ourselves that we haven’t just been through a battle or deluding ourselves that we’re more powerful than we are. We are just gradually shifting our attention away from it, as we feel comfortable doing so. We are gradually reclaiming our interest in other things.
• It is not a reason for re-involving ourselves with people or situations that hurt us. We don’t forgive so we can jump into that pool again. The only reason we would do that is if we have evolved past the point of being hurt by what hurt us before (something that doesn’t often happen) or if the person or the situation has gone through some kind of cosmic surgery and is now something else. Remember, forgiving comes AFTER we have learned self-protection in the angry phase and let go of whatever got us into this situation. If we forgive because we want to do the same thing all over again ”¦ well, you don’t need me to tell you what you’re volunteering for.
• Likewise, it is not a social cure. If we’re forgiving because we’re embarrassed about being such a bore, or because our bad feelings are alienating our families, or because we want to get along better with people who just don’t get it, we victimizing ourselves all over again. We’re giving away our authority over our own feelings, and trying to force ourselves to feel something we don’t, in order to be accepted. If it’s really important that we not communicate the full force of the outrage or grief we’re dealing with – like in a work situation or in court — we can do that. We can selectively choose where, when and how much we share, while we continue to work through our trauma privately. The ability to do this — letting some people in and keeping others out — is good practice in developing the skills of conditional trust.
• There is no reason that we have to forgive people to their faces or even let them know about it. In fact, if we’re really ready to stop wasting energy, we probably won’t. We don’t just stop bothering with them in our heads; we stop bothering with them in real life. We avoid engagement. If we have to spend energy on some kind of mop-up or dealing with continuing drama from their side, we handle it with an eye toward ending all of it, because we want to be done with it.
Finally, forgiving is not an all-or-nothing thing. Nor is it a carved-in-stone solution. We don’t say, “Oh, I’ve decided it’s not worth caring anymore about what he (or she) did to me, and now I have to not care about the new thing he (or she) is doing to me.” It doesn’t work that way. Forgiving is a way of allocating our own resources. If new circumstances require us to grab a sword and slay a few dragons before dinner, then we do it. After we come home and shower, we can decide whether we’re ready to forgive the loss of our afternoon, or if we need to spend more time processing that little irritation.
And if we absolutely feel like we must announce our decision to forgive to the sociopath, here’s a suggested forgiveness note:
I’ve decided not to give you any more attention. I’m not going to track you down, hire a hit man or sue you for theft or mental suffering. I’ve dealt with my losses by myself. But don’t confuse this with weakness. The next time you show up, it won’t be such a pleasant or profitable experience for you. I also advise you to you grow up, for your own sake. Not everyone is as forgiving as me. As Henry the XV said to a murderous friend, “I pardon you, but I also pardon whoever kills you.”
In the next article, we begin on the wonderful topic of becoming who we want to be.
Namaste. The wise emotional accountant in me salutes the wise emotional accountant in you.
Kathy
I want to thank you all again for your comments on this thread. I have to take a break from LoveFraud for about ten days. I’m dealing with a slew of deadlines and some travel next week. I’ve been trying to juggle it all for the last few days, because I like to stay with the thread for a while after I post an article. But I need to leave the one early.
Namaste and wishing you great progress —
Kathy
Star: Good to hear the meeting with your old bf went well, he sounds normal! LOL
I feel the same way you do about forgiveness, I guess that’s why I feel I can forgive myself, but the S, well I just try to accept that he is what he is, but I don’t have to like it.
Sounds like you are feeling much better and I am happy to read about that! Keep us in the loop!
One more word, and then I’m leaving. Really.
The topic of this article was forgiving, not forgiveness. Very different things. Forgiving is a decision we make about the amount and type of energy we want to give an issue. And then it’s something we do.
In my lexicon, forgiveness is a state of being in relationship to an issue. If we get there, we don’t have to do anything else. Forgiveness involves more than I discussed in this article. It goes beyond not caring. Probably the last article I write in this series will be about compassion. It’s the end of trauma-processing path, and it the thing that makes forgiveness make sense.
Good night.
Forgiving myself has been the struggle – I forgive the scorpion for stinging me because that is what they do.
Largely due to the terrific insight and moral help Ive been receiving from you guys lately, I have FINALLY!{about time too!I can almost hear you say!] written this letter,-and posted it, to my 45 year old daughter, Debbie. Its probably been one of the hardest letters Ive ever had to write, but I knew , for my own emotional, spiritual and mental health, I had to do it. The line in the sand I drew was only over a seemingly small thing, ie, that she removed me from her facebook “friends” yet kept on 2 former punk, alcoholic girlfriends. Knowing now what i didnt before, that narcissists/border line S personalities need sycophantic “strokes” and compliments like the air they breathe it shouldnr have ben any surprise that she chose them over me. {To explain, Glennis and jane were two of the punks responsible for my home and art studio being wrecked, huge amounts of money put on my chemist and grocery accounts,and, in part, my ex starting to drink again after 1o year of sobriety.} here is the letter.
“Dear Deborah, You are no doubt wondering why I havent been in touch with you for a month,maybe you have a vague idea that it is something to do with you removing me from your facebook friends, and leaving on your friends, Jane and glennis.Ive been reading a lot lately about Narcissistic/borderline sociopathic personality disorders, and the conclusion Ive come to is you have this disorder.The fact that you will go to any length to maintain this false,phoney, Narcissistic image of yourself as a perfect,flawless superior, entitled, being. Ns will never, ever admit they are to blame for anything,its always someone elses fault. Either their husbands,their Mothers,their Boss,their latest ex-friend,its never them.They will drop people at the drop of a hat, if they in any way interfere with this perfect image of themselves. They are emotionally so detached that they are able to do the most rotten, callous and cruel things,such as banning their own Mother from their wedding,as you did. or wrecking her house, and art studio,[twice},without one shred of guilt or remorse. You see, in their eyes,they are never wrong!Now, whethe or not you have this disorder,[and I think it highly likely that you have},I put it on record,that from today, thursday, the 16th of June, 2009,Im finally drawing a line in the sand with you.
I will no longer,a} be used as a cash-cow to giveyou money and/or goods, whenever you need them.B} will no longer be an emotional punching bag for you and Claire. c}I will never again allow you to use your kids as bargaining tools, ie, withholding them unless i come forward with what you want.d]condone any of your exploitative,humiliating,and disrespectful treatment of me. I am worth so much morethan this!e] I will not, any longer,be swayed by your tears ,[crocodile or otherwise},to get what you want from me,ie, great wads of cash.
If you and claire do not love me,no amount of love,caring, overgiving,forgiving,endlessly putting up with s–t behaviour, from both of you. {and dont pretend that you feel any more loving towards me than your siste does], will MAKE you love me. I have literally turned myself insde out over the last 30 years,for you and Claire. Sure I wasnt a perfect Mother, I dont claim to be, but I did the best I knew how.Since I married David 25 years ago,we have both tried very hard tomake sure you and claire felt loved, and part of a family. All we have ever got in return is abuse,worry, broken promises,disrespect,lies,and grief.It was the single most rotten thing you have ever done to me, to ban me from your wedding, 15 years ago. Barbara,{my exs wife} rang me before the wedding to say,”I cant stand either of your girls, and I think its terrible what Deb is doing to you”After the wedding she told me that”Deborah would have loved the guests to think that you had boycotted her wedding,however, i was at pains to tell them you had been banned from it.”And to add insult to injury, you invited David to go.{Naturally he didnt go!}
You will eventually run out of “friends to use, abuse, and discard. Your looks will fade in time. Then what? You will never, at this rate, with over A$25,000 in credit card and other debt,ever own your own place.You will eventually get some money from my estate,but Im not planning to die any time soon, so you may be in for a long wait! I still love you as my daughter,[God knows why,]but I dislike the way you behave. You removed me , your greatest ally,from facebook,but cant bring yourself t remove these sycophantic, alhoholic no-hopers, jane and glennis. Thanks a lot.That tells me you really ARE a narcissist,and cant survive without the false “strokes” and compliments of people like them. Well, the ball is now firmly in your court. Either you remove them, the punks who were , with you,jointly responsible in 1981 for destroying my home,and re-instate me.And I require an apology from you for at least some of the tuly awful things you have done to me over the last 30 years. or, thats it.I no longer wish to have anything to do with you. You will be tuly on your own, as very soon you will run out of “friends’, as you only use people to serve your ends.You have given me nothing but unhappiness, grief, and worry over the last 30 years.I deserve a good life with david.You only drag me down. You never give anything back. I can no longer afford to keep baling you out. You will be 45 in 2 weeks timeyou are a middle aged woman, I dont owe you anything, any more.But you owe me.Not money,I have never once asked you for anything back from the $12,000 and over I have given to you over the past 25 years .All I ask for is an apology for all the rotten things you have done to me, the lies, the con tricks, the deception,the disrespect. NO MORE!! I wont be baling you out EVER AGAIN!
I hope you GET this,and try to do something now to turn your life around,and make some recompense to all the people ,myself included,that you have used and hurt, before its too late. You are a total phoney,you need to get real,and come to terms with the way youve treated family and friends over the years. We are off to south Africa in 3 weeks time,on Holida. If I havent heard from you in that time,and I see that you havent re-instated me on your facebook and removed the no-hopers,{ who gave me and your dad so much grief in the early 80’s}, then I will have to conclude that our relationship is OVER. That is my particular line in the sand, and Ive finally drawn it. I will have to rely on your ex husband to bring the kids over occasionally, no longer will I allow you to ue them as pawns, or bargaining tools in our relationship. I have seen them exactly twice, in 7 months. So thats it. Mum.
geminigirl: Wow, you really put your entire heart in that letter. I am glad you are standing up for yourself!! Good for you! It just amazes me how these people with personality disorders can treat even their own parents, after all I’ve read here on LF I shouldn’t be amazed anymore, but I am. I hope things work out the way you want, being able to have some kind of relationship (without being “a cash cow”)!! After 30 years of unhappiness and grief I can still feel how much you love her, but you are right, you do deserve a good life!!!!!
Re: Forgiving. “Forgiving is a decision we make and then gradually follow through, adapting that decision to our own comfort level”.
I wrote “I just try to accept that he is what he is, but I don’t have to like it”, that is my comfort level, I guess I am forgiving, I let go of the resentment.
Witsend- Glad to see your post, my computer has been out too and I have just gotten back on from about 4?weeks ago.How weird is that, I read yours was out also.
In the situation of your son, I know its probally alittle easier for you with school being out, since you dont have to drag him out of bed as before.Your comments about the high amount of entitlement and their feelings of being superior and right about EVERYTHING is so true with my son as well!
With my 20 yr old P son, the last update, I had made the decision (with really no choice) to make him leave my home, where he had been staying for about 3 weeks.. I had to forcibly make him leave since as always, he chose to “not hear” what I was really trying to say to him and create an ugly,scary drama out of it . He chose to threaten and verbally attack me even tho I was offering to pay his rent for him to just leave my home as he was already reeking havoc- following no house rules, going into rages, verbal abuse toward me (he had also previously physically attacked me in one of his rages)- Obviously, he had to go for my safety, peace of mind, and my young daughters as well. (I have also been N/C only 10 mos. with my x N/P former husband.)
Only a few weeks after my son was forced to leave my home, and went back to his fathers house to live (not the x N/P- we had no children together) My son was arrested,breaking his prior probation from a drunk driving charge and may be facing 6 mos. jail time.
The amazing part, is that even on probation- he and his gf were drinking one night at a friends house, they get into an arguement- the gf starts walking down the road (obviously to get away from him) my son is angry and calls the police on her. Both get arrested for public intox. He basically called the police on himself! (episode for dumbest criminals, right?)
My son, amazingly turns the story around to say-he was “worried” about his gf, so he called the police to protect her from walking at night alone- WHAT B.S! If he were fearful for her safety- why didnt HE go check on her?Especially, knowing she most certainly would go to jail for drinking and a being a minor.
Incrediously, my son calls to argue with me (after his gf BAILS HIM OUT of jail) that the police DONT KNOW he is on probation and he’s sure that I “ran my mouth to the officer and told the police- which he says would be the ONLY way he gets into major jailtime for this! (what a blame game) He truly believes he can outsmart the police and argued with them incessently the night of his arrest. Everyone else is stupid, wrong, and out to get him. EVERY problem he has EVER had is blamed on someone else to the point of just insanity. He is a master of the smear campaign, as he, for years has told blatant lies to others about me in order to render himself blameless for not finishing school,keeping a job, going to college, or staying out of jail.
I just recently here on LF have been able to admit that my son is a S. I think before, I was simply in so much trauma with my x n/p that I could not deal with the fact that my son is as cold and heartless as my x.
The complete change of demeanor and callousness my son exhibits is scary and threatening. I know without a shadow of a doubt that he feels hatred toward me and violence is in him. I asked his g.f about the black eye I heard that my son gave her, she said, NO not a black eye- more like 3 (black eyes.) I told her to get away from him, she didnt deserve this treatment, and blah, blah, blah- which is what I think is all she heard. She is in a trauma bond, and I dont know that I can rescue her! My son also showed signs of violence, I have just learned with his gf while in high school!
As I stated before, my son was not raised with any violence, drug or alcohol abuse whatsoever. Its hard to live with the fact that he is causing so much heartache and is danger to those he is around. I feel its my duty to warn any female that he may be with now or in the future. Any IDEAS?
As I am just finding out this information- only a few weeks ago, I am obviously dazed and confused. I had even thought about calling the current gf’s parents to get them to encourage her to leave him, however they are out of the country, I have no way of reaching them. I am finding myself, like Oxy to the point of feeling my son is dead to me- so sad but this monster is not who I raised. My situation now is to stay totally clear of him and N/C as much as possible.
geminigirl- Im sorry, I didnt see your letter before I posted or anything after it. I commend you for ‘drawing the line in the sand’. It sounds like youve been through an awful lot. Its so hard to believe our children can really be this cold blooded. I know it might be hard to stick with your conditions here, but they are absolutely reasonable and I think its great therapy for you to stand up for yourself. Stick to your gun! Good luck. xoxo
This is truly the hardest thing Ive ever had to do, even harder than leaving my ex ,with no money, after I was bashed. I know I risk not seeing my grandkids, but, you know what?you are all of you right, you eventually come to a place when you just say,”No More! Enough, already!” Took me a long time to get there, and I just hope I can stick to my guns and not weaken. I know all you great people are on my side, and cheering me on from the sidelines!
Thank you all, for your ongoing love and support. I know youve all been there! Love, geminigirl.XX