Letting go is the point at which our recovery turns around from darkness to light. In previous articles, we have discussed all the stages of magical thinking, how we progressively become more and more willing to accept reality.
In a trauma or extended trauma, like a relationship with a sociopath, there is a lot of difficult reality to accept. Here is a recap of our healing stages or strategies:
• Denial — the most “unreal” stage, where we say it is not important, where we are at war with our own feelings
• Bargaining — we admit it hurts, but we still think it is in our power to change it
• Anger — we blame the external cause, we recover our feelings of personal power over our lives, but we continue to maintain the idea that there is something we or anyone else can do about it.
This article is about letting go, the stage where we face our losses and come to terms with our powerlessness to change them.
The light in the darkness
If the last paragraph sounded like a line from an Alcoholics Anonymous book, there is a reason. This transition from anger to acceptance is the key to the AA approach. Facing up to reality that is both the hardest thing we ever do, but also the only possible path to real healing and recovery of ourselves and our lives.
Anger — whether old embedded anger or a fresh reaction —is an expression of the “me” side of the brain. It spurs us to take action for ourselves. Embedded anger is the underlying cause of addictions — because we are “taking care of ourselves” against the forces that threaten our survival at some level. That level may be, and often is, our right to be whole human beings entitled to all our feelings and potential.
Embedded anger is usually about situations in which we feel we cannot act. If we act, we lose something even bigger. A good example of this is childhood abuse, where we “agree” to act, think or feel in certain ways in order to survive. Adult situations may include work or personal relationships where we have something at risk — like our jobs, our children’s welfare, our lifestyle.
Compromising our integrity, a word that means “wholeness,” never comes cheap. Each compromise warps us and evolves into greater complexity over time. These compromises have the full range of negative emotions attached to them — fear, anger and grief. Every one of them sets up a pattern of feelings, a “state,” that recurs in circumstances that remind us of the original situation or just exist perpetually.
These states are linked to our addictive behaviors. What we do to make ourselves feel better. We find our “drug of choice,” whether it is a chemical solution or something more socially acceptable like work or shopping to anesthetize or distract us. Beyond that, we imagine bigger solutions. The love affair that will heal us. The financial score that will relieve our stresses. The answers we might find through some self-development or spiritual pursuit. The “perfect” anything that will magically change our world.
However, unless the solution resolves that loss, eliminating it as a source of recurring states, nothing is really a permanent fix. The states keep returning. We keep searching and buying into “apparent fixes” with hungers that in retrospective seem overly risky or out of control.
The solution here, the solution to all of this complex structure of pain and faulty solutions, is in the cause. The loss. It is through the loss that we emerge on the other side of it as renewed and somehow more than we were before. The loss, in a way that we never anticipate while we are avoiding the pain, turns out to be a gift.
Resisting loss
Sociopaths offer us perfect solutions. In their cleverness at reflecting back our most powerful dreams, they “make real” our best ideas about what will fix us. For the magical moments of their efforts to recruit us, they give us a taste of what we imagine perfection to be. And so, we are relieved of the anxiety, loneliness, resentments and fears that come from our earlier compromises with our personal monsters.
It all feels so natural, so right, because none of us want to feel like we’ve lost anything. In fact, the sociopathic seduction actually reverses our progress in handling earlier traumas. Most of us are at least up to bargaining as a life strategy, and some of us have access to anger in certain circumstances. At minimum, we feel it in relationship to other people’s traumas, especially the ones that remind us of our own.
But in these relationships, we return to denying any of it was important. We lose every reason to remember, to hold onto the lessons we learned. We are free, beautiful, trusting, fully connected, with nothing standing between us and this dream. (And whatever hints or warnings that this is not what it seems get pushed away, because this is our own best idea and it seems worth anything.)
When they start depriving us of this perfect fix, we are in agony. We think it is about them, but it tends to be more than that. All the old states, every reason we wanted that fix is back and it is louder. We start going through all the stages again on all kinds of levels of our lives — denial, bargaining anger — everything that was ever related to these losses. And worse, we are in battle with the addiction, which has experienced relief and wants more.
All of this is about not wanting to feel our losses. Not wanting to lose. Wanting to be whole. We are back in the grief cycle with a vengeance. And all of it is about “no.” No this is not happening to me. No I don’t deserve this. No these are not the rules I agreed to. This is bad. I hate it. It is not part of who I am or my world. I refuse.
Graduating from anger
Anger is that roar. That animal cry that really combines the resistance and grief below it. At some point, we recognize the grief below the anger. It comes when we see that no matter how ready we are to act, no matter how well and appropriately we have responded to the alert messages of our survival system, the deed is done. It is over. There is nothing we can do about it.
In anger, we link the pain to the external cause. The sociopath did this to me. In grief, we link the pain to our own loss. It does not matter what caused it. We can blame forever, make ourselves the victims in ways that relieve us from fault, but we ultimately cannot get away from the fact that a change has occurred. And the change is in us.
Even talking about loss is hard. Ironically, we talk about it more easily when we are in denial or bargaining. I don’t want to feel like I’ve lost my ability to trust. I don’t want to feel like the world isn’t safe. I don’t want to loss the idea that I can manage my own life. I don’t want to feel like no one will ever love me again, or that I will never love anyone else. I don’t want to admit that that the money I lost represents months or years of my life. I don’t want to know that my children or my friends or family have faced losses because of my behavior.
In anger we reject all of it. We use our recovered sense of personal power to try to penetrate these losses, to turn them around. In this, we gain important insight about what happened. But that eventually puts us in touch with the great roaring grief. Our real feelings. The renewed sense of personal power is important. We need to recover our sense that we can do something about our lives. It makes us ready to learn.
The great pivot of healing
Everything that leads up to grief is getting us ready for it. To be real about our losses and how we feel about them. To face the fact that something has changed. To allow ourselves to be human again, not the childish superheroes of our attempts to magically make the changes go away.
Finally this is us being vulnerable with ourselves. Being honest. Giving up our internal defenses and our attempts to medicate our pain. This is a war that we have lost. And also won, because in grief, we are real.
For all the work we put into avoiding our grief, it is a great irony to discover that it is about being kind to ourselves. What keep us from grief are the internalized voices of harsh parents or other authorities that denied us the right to our own feelings, dreams, ideas. We accommodated their demands up to this point, but now we are taking our power back. We are in our own reality. We are finally ready to respond to our losses and to support ourselves through it. We become our own “good parents.”
How do we feel and act in grief? Everyone has their own processes, but here are some of mine:
• Tears over how the reality is different from what I wanted it to be
• Loving feelings toward what I lost or what I really wanted
• Tenderness or understanding toward myself for feeling this way
• Allowing myself to feel the loss until I am truly finished with grieving it
I am comforting myself in a way that a “perfect” parent would have treated me when I was hurt and in pain. I am reinforcing the integrity of my psyche by not denying how I really feel, and giving myself the entitlement to go through whatever I have to go through to finish the loss and move on.
How we let go
Grief is about letting go. We don’t learn that until we surrender to the reality and to our grief. At the beginning, we are afraid of the feelings, afraid of how they will feel. This surrender is always an act of courage, though it becomes easier after we have done this a few times. We do it because is the only course left to us, but many of us avoid it, staying in anger or earlier stages, because we are so afraid of these feelings.
But allowing ourselves to feel them serves many purposes. The most important purpose grief serves is to separate us from the cause of our grief. The loss.
The more we grieve, the more we realize that what we are grieving is not us. What grieves is us. The feelings are us. But the loss is not. It is something we wanted or loved. Something that we may have imagined was part of us, and the loss made us feel like less than we were. But as we grieve, it becomes more and more clear that a difference exists.
The length of time we grieve is exactly equivalent to how long it takes us to realize this. Our grief may be multi-layered in that sense. One of my greatest anguishes after my relationship with the sociopath was the knowledge that he did not love me, combined with all the reasons he gave for not loving me. Most of them were about my age and how I looked.
Grief at his not loving me was mixed up with grief about the years I lost. I met him in blooming middle age when my hormones were wild, I was vibrantly attractive, and I was at the peak of my career. My grief over him not loving me evolved to grief over the losses of age. My appearance was changing. Without being able to provide a child, my relationship with a man was never going to include the protective elements that I valued so much. My likelihood of having the type of relationship that had made me happiest —trophy wife of an older man — was vanishing. That part of my life was over.
This is personal to me, my reality. Whether it is the truth about me in anyone else’s view is not the point. It was a massive piece of how I navigated the world. It incorporated a great internal complex of “rules,” of expectations about how the world would treat me, and of accommodations I’d made to early compromises of my life. Letting it go was terrifying to me, because I had nothing to replace it.
But in grieving his not loving me, and then all the linked losses associated with it, I found them firming up in my mind. From murky anxieties and resistances and resentments, the real nature of my fear and losses coalesced. I could “look at them” and see them as something I wanted and treasured perhaps, but there was another me that was looking at them. A more central me that was measuring if I was going to die of it or if I had other resources, and that eventually decided that was then and this is now. So now what?
It didn’t happen overnight. But it got a lot healthier and a lot more direct, as a process, once I let myself cry over the loss of his love. Or the loss of belief in the honesty of his love. Or the loss of belief in him as someone I could trust or even understand. Every time I started somewhere, grieving something, letting myself feel the loss, I got to a letting go.
It didn’t matter who caused it, because it didn’t change what I was dealing with. This was between me and me, and my need to be whole, to be real with myself.
Getting stuck in grief
Sometimes we feel like we have more losses than we can deal with, and we become muddled in despair. This is obviously a time when an anti-depressant may help us manage an overload of sadness, so that we can process our way through it. But here are some other suggestions for dealing with grief that we feel is not progressing.
The single best technique I found to process grief is to follow my feelings. Often when we focus on an event that gives us strong feelings, we are not really clear about what aspect is triggering them. If we turn our attention to our feelings, essentially asking them what they are about, we can often get a clearer idea. Like I thought I was grieving him not loving me, when I really was grieving a loss of what made me lovable to men. Paying attention to my feelings helped surface those insights. (I should probably add here that in rebuilding, I found a lot of less transient things that make me lovable.)
Another technique is to listen to our own resistance to the loss. Grief that goes on and on is usually about a battle within ourselves. We refuse to let the loss go, because we have some internal rule about its necessity. Again in my own case, I was afraid of becoming hard or bitter. To be attractive or lovable, I had a rule to be cheerful, no matter what. I looked at that loss, and saw it was something I learned, not something I really believed. Letting go of that rule was one of the best things I ever did for myself.
A third technique that I used with particularly sticky losses was arguing with God. It took me a while to see that I was doing this. I kept getting stuck in anger and feeling like a victim, because I felt that I’d done my part. Even if I couldn’t trust the sociopath, my parents, or anyone else, surely there had to be some rules I could depend on. Surely God had not put me here to just be a straight man for other people’s pathologies. For me, conversations with God set me back on the right path, because God’s response was always, “What are you going to do with this? That is what interests me.”
What we learn
Grief teaches us something that literally changes our world. That is the difference between what is transient and what is not. What is us and what are simply changing circumstances.
Something inside of us endures no matter what we lose. This central self is whole and invulnerable, no matter what happens to us. A great deal of what we imagine to be our true identities are things that we learned, often through threat to our survival or rules about what it takes to be accepted or loved. We identify ourselves in triumphs or failures, appearances or things that reflect these learned rules of existence.
Grieving clarifies that we belong to ourselves. All those other learned rules may have some reason for being, some use to us. But in grief, we gain new perspectives, seeing them as more or less functional guidelines and not who we are. We are what is grieving, surviving, identifying our feelings and what triggers them. By coming home to our own reality, we become comfortable and confident in a world of many realities.
We become more authentic. We are more in our skin, seeing through our own eyes. We are also freer to build lives that reflect who we are, rather than what we are afraid of.
In the next article, we will discuss rebuilding. In the meantime, for those who are making this transition from anger into grief, I reassure you that you truly deserve kindness. You have been kind to so many other people. It is time to give it to you.
Namaste. The brave and tender spirit in me salutes the brave and tender spirit in you.
Kathy
backintothelight says:
Affirmation for the day:
“I am willing to risk temporary discomfort for the rewards of a better life”
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Absolutely amazing words!
Thanks backintothelight ~ xxoo
Dupedster
One step, I think of people like who you described as “muses”. In a way, the guy here in Denver who is very deep is like a muse for me. He brings out the side of me that wants to make a difference in the world. It is because of who he is as a person and the deep compassion he seems to have for others. However, now that this part has been activated, I find that I can continue to cultivate it, without his influence. I don’t think anyone has ever influenced me in this way. When I’m around him I start fantasizing about working with him with troubled teens, trying to reach them before they hit the prison system and become institutionalized. That is his dream, but it could also easily become my dream too. I can see the two of us taking in and reparenting abused kids.
Different people bring out so many different sides of me. The guy in ABQ draws out my really playful side. He is pure play. He is so silly. And he laughs a lot. But he seems to have had an interesting life, having come here from China 14 years ago. We haven’t gotten too deep in our conversation yet, and I really savor the process of getting to know him. He does not wear his heart on his sleeve like the other guy. He is silly and goofy, and I love that.
I find, especially with the first guy, I can “wear” his dream for a while and see what it feels like. Is it a dream I can participate in or support? Is this the influence I want to have in my life? I can also easily go the other way and live a hedonistic life in Costa Rica, helping no one. After all, who really has ever helped me?
The ABQ guy’s influence on me (because he is very active and adventurous) is to want to travel with him and show him what I love about Costa Rica. Also, he could take me kayaking, which he likes to do. I think our time together could be really fun and adventurous. That would be great too! If I had to make a choice of all the men in my life right now, I’d have a hard time choosing. So for now I choose to remain right here, in the precise center of my life. Not making any big decisions, not even knowing whether I ever want to commit to another man again. I rather like the place I’m in. I think I’ll just enjoy it for a while. My one fear is that I cannot juggle too many men for very long and not either hurt them or lose them, which will hurt me. So it’s a learning process for me. I’ve never done circular dating before, and I’m not sure what to do when things start progressing with more than one person.
Kathleen,
This article really is making me think. When I realized that this man, was actually dead/never really what he said he was….thats when the grief set in. That was about a year and 8 months ago. The anger part still comes and goes within me. The anger is so hard to define within myself because I also have a saddness for this man. That he himself cannot find himself…. the angry part in me is with myself, how could I be so duped to believing those lies…and let it continue for so long?
Last night as I was sleeping I dreamed of him, messing with my head…. and while I don’t have many dreams of him, I know he is still a part of my person. This I don’t want hounding me! I find myself wishing for the dream life he gave me for the years he did, then having to wake up all over again and tell myself it is all a lie! So really I feel that it is ME that must get past this, move him away from myself…..that addiction must go and to be angry not at him not at myself, but at the IT that it truly is! To be faithful to myself and that is what matters most!
The struggle with the anger part is the hardest part. One person put it to me in a healthy way is this…. Dont let the IT destroy who you are! And in that I found relief of a healthy anger…. I felt healing in that!
(((( Kathleen )))) thank you for helping me through this!
Alive
Alive,
I’m trying and failing to come up with a variant of the “How do you get to Carnegie Hall?” joke that has the punchline “Process, process, process.”
Read the next two or three of my articles. They don’t take long. And I think you’ll find them helpful.
I know the dreams. And the jumping around from anger to grief to feeling responsible for him and my own failure to manage the situation. I used to wake up in the morning drawing mental maps and charts and tapestries of my history with this man, trying to find a coherent story in it. Or at least a spark of insight.
The best single piece of advice I got in the early stage of my healing was from a Buddhist friend who, unfortunately for him, got my book-length letters on an almost daily basis describing my feelings and the horrible behavior of my ex. He told me to stop the word factory in my mind, stop generating stories, and just listen to my feelings.
A therapist had once talked with me about the difficulty of just “being with” a sick friend, just being a companion without trying to deny the circumstances or fix them. She said that it was the hardest thing in the world, but the foundation of relationships that didn’t break. So that’s what I did. I sat with my feelings, as though they were a sick friend. Not judging them, not expecting anything in particular, but giving them my attention.
Sometimes I think that the hardest part of getting over these things is that we can’t make peace with this being our story. This wasn’t supposed to happen to us. We weren’t supposed to be so naive or helpless to take care of ourselves. We never imagined that we would do some of the things we did, the stupid things we did to ourselves, the awful things we did to people we cared about. We never realized we were vulnerable to what came into our lives. We don’t know who we are in this story, and the world that it means we live in.
Attending to our feelings — not denying them or wishing they’d go away — is a way to return to our real selves. They are authentic responses to what happened, and they talk to us about who we really are and what we really need to survive and be happy. They also help us understand the mechanics of what happened, what was and is going on with us, and the nature of what we were dealing with.
Inevitably anger is part of those feelings. And it is an appropriate and healthy response to being messed with by someone who doesn’t care about the repercussions of their actions on us. If that sentence doesn’t exactly match the way you see it right now, because you uncertain that it’s fair or feel uncomfortable with blaming in general or having difficulty accepting that he was a bad influence on your life, that’s an indication of where you are in the healing process. If you read the next few articles in the series, you’ll see what I mean.
I had lifelong strategies of being compassionate and understanding, avoiding anger and blame, and taking responsibility when things did work out as I wanted. So in my recovery, when I faced the immovable reality that I couldn’t get around my anger, it took a huge leap of faith for me to accept it and explore it. I was afraid I’d get stuck there, and become a crabby old lady.
Well, I did stay angry for a while. Mostly, however, because it was such a vivid, enlightening and hard-working state. in anger, I started to work on better defensive skills, including creating and enforcing boundaries that didn’t just keep me safe, but also enabled me to choose what I wanted in my life and abandon what I didn’t want.
So I guess I’m encouraging you to not judge your anger as a bad thing. It’s a phase and it will pass. Not that you will forget or accept the behaviors that hurt you. But you will move on to recreating yourself and your life with the wisdom gained from this experience.
A couple of weeks ago, my ex reached out to me after more than seven years. First a factual question about someone we both knew that I answered. Then, he sent an “I hope you’re well” note. And my entire emotional system went into action — excitement, anger, grief, you name it. But I knew from experience that he would be initiating a personal communication was that he was at the end of his rope and needed a bailout. And his method was always to work his way in by being funny and seductive, then get me to agree to give him shelter, money, a job, or whatever he needed. And then the abuse would start to clarify that I was a worm in the dust and lucky to have in him my life.
I write multiple drafts of a reply, each one shorter than the last. In the midst of this, a mutual friend called me (the aforementioned Buddhist) out of the blue after not being in touch since last Christmas. Well, not quite out of the blue, because as he told me about the difficulties facing my ex — lost job, dissolving marriage, impending lost custody or sole custody of his toddler as his wife moved away with her three other children. Oh, and not to leave out that he’d been asking our Buddhist friend about how Kathy was doing.
So the last draft of the responding note was the shortest of all. In a nutshell it said, “I sense you probing for an opening or an opportunity. It’s not here. I liked it better when you were not writing.” (In retrospect, I wish I’d left off the first two sentences.)
By the time I wrote that letter, all the old anger was back. But my point is that I hadn’t been living with it for years. And it was an appropriate response to the threat I perceived in his communication. Was I overreacting, or misinterpreting, or being unfair? Maybe, but it doesn’t matter. What does matter is that I remembered what happened with him before. The good and the bad, and the ultimate cost of dealing with him. I didn’t get confused with gaslighting myself about my own motivations. I didn’t pretend he was a friend who deserved courtesy, or that I had “gotten over it,” or anything else that would have suggested to his eager predator’s brain that there was a possibility that he could use me again. I just terminated the conversation.
And then I dealt with the backlash of that little event. Because it bruises me to shut off my compassion like that. And it took time for the ashes of rage to clear my system. And I resented the time and energy this tiny little email cost me. Until I realized that it was an opportunity to revisit a fear that had lingered every since I got him out of my life. What would happen if he ever showed up again; would I really be able to shut him out?
Trust is earned. Even trust in ourselves. But I did learn something about my own reaction in this situation. I used to have really mixed feelings about losing him. I missed him long after he was gone. But except for the momentary flare of romantic excitement of getting a note from him, every subsequent feeling and thought was dedicated to how to get rid of him. (All the while I actually did feel compassion for him, but I also knew it would be self-destructive for me to express it or open myself or my life to him.)
If it’s true that I can trust myself more, it also means that I won’t have to get so angry in the future. If my bad memories are firmly attached to him, and I’m not forgetting, and I have a natural get-rid-of-him response, the next time I’ll be able to say no without getting into an internal tizzy about it. That’s what I want.
My teacher in compassion says this — We can feel compassion for other people, without liking the way they behave. We can make choices about what we allow to come into our lives. That’s exercising compassion for ourselves, which is necessary before we can feel true compassion for others.
I like that. I hope something in all this helps.
Love —
Kathy
Kathy,
oh yes, I remember about your ex. Last time you mentioned that he had just had a baby and the way he posted on his FB it sounded like he had practically given birth to it himself. LOL! I just about died laughing!
That was probably the high point and it all started to unravel after that. They are so predictable and so is their failure. I shouldn’t laugh, it’s really sad.
Anyway, I just wanted to comment on your process of replying to him. I think that 7 years from now, he’ll try to contact you again. (they always keep trying, since they can’t learn from their mistakes). And I hope that next time your response will be: NO RESPONSE. Shunning is the only thing that actually affects them. Your response had just enough venom to let him know that he got to you. The message you need to send him is the same one you would give to a guy on the street who makes a vulgar proposition. He needs to know that he has LESS effect than a flea would have.
NO attention, is the only thing that actually causes them pain. Knowing that they are insignificant is the only thing that hurts them, because being insignificant is the root of their disorder. They simply can’t accept that they are mortal and not omnipotent. That’s why they’re called narcissists.
I finally managed to get to that point with the spath. Last December, he kept emailing me. (the holidays, you know, they love drama) It was so hard not to tell him the things I wanted to say. But I kept mum. not a peep.
Today, I was sitting in my truck, on the island where my cabin is. The crazy-husband-stealing-neighbor spath, who was in on the plan to kill me, knocked on my window. I looked up from my droid to see her motioning me to roll the window down.
I said, “I can hear you.” but didn’t roll my window down.
She said, “Skylar, I know you are probably mad at me but I just want you to know that I don’t have any hard feelings.” WTF?
Why would SHE have hard feelings? I didn’t do anything to her. LOL!.
I just said, “Crazy-husband-stealing-neighbor, I have no feelings for you at all.”
Her face changed. She went from looking all sad and pity-ploying, to just plain evil. Then she walked away.
I wish I had felt nothing at all and I wish I had said nothing at all. But my emotions got the better of me, she surprised me and I responded. Got to keep working on that gray rock. It’s good for us, and it’s the best revenge, too. How cool is that?
You know, Sky, it takes an incredible amount of strength to walk away from your spath after being with him most of your adult life. I hope you stop once in a while and give yourself credit for that because it’s pretty amazing.
And what a great thread to be brought up again. I was reading some of the old posts and how far we’ve all come. I was reading from 3 years ago where I said I was proud of my suffering and proud of all I’ve been through. I am no longer in that thought process. I am no longer proud of my suffering because it is so much less these days, and I am living so much more in the present moment that I don’t think too much about what I’ve been through in the past. I smile, goof around, and laugh all the time.
I also read that I was dating without being ready for a committed relationship back in 2009. And I dragged all kinds of interesting characters into my life then. I learned a lot from them, but the timing wasn’t right for a committed relationship, so none of them were right. I feel I am 99% ready at this point and doing the work to open myself up to receiving love from a man. Dare I say that about myself, who’s never been married? It’s a little scary but exciting just the same. In this vein, I am not going out with anyone who does not meet my highest standards. It’s completely pointless.
I had a friend send me $300 for some sort of therapy to help me heal my issues with men open to receiving love, so I can clear the path. I opted for hypnosis with a very well-known and well-respected hypnotist who gets great results with 100% of his clients. I had the first session yesterday, and it was pretty powerful. I’m looking forward to the next two. I already feel pretty different. His work is result-oriented, and he has help so many people change their lives. I feel very fortunate that my path has led me in that direction. I’m looking so forward to going to the salsa club tomorrow, rather than the fear and anxiety I’ve had the last few weeks. And I’m very happy to let my relationship with J progress very slowly however far (or not far) it will go. No hurry. He is coming to my birthday Zumba/salsa party. My salsa teachers and salsa classmates are coming too. I can’t wait! J and I will also be carpooling to a salsa workshop out of town in a month or so. So whatever level of friendship we end up with will be very slow in developing. Since he hasn’t asked me out (and I won’t ask HIM out), I am just going to open myself up to other appropriate and available men if they are out there.
My newest adventure!
Yes Star!
You are opening up to other adventures.
That’s awesome.
Thank you for the kudos. But it wasn’t strength, it was fear, that made me run. Fear is not something I have a lot of, so when I felt it, I knew it was time to run. I knew I was going to die if I didn’t run. It’s that simple. But not.
Why didn’t I have fear or respond to it before that? There were many red flags from the very beginning.
It’s hard to believe in evil. It upsets your entire worldview. That’s one reason. Another reason is that he is a pure psychopath, he had a great mask. I think that many of the people we talk about on LF are not actual psychopaths, they are actually narcissists. N’s don’t have great masks. They try but they are pathetic. I call them “failed spaths”. In fact, they become spath food, over and over again.
I think, that this is the reason why I thought that there were spaths everywhere, when in fact it is only a small percentage of people who are actually spaths. The rest seem to be spaths –up to 50 % of the population — because they are lying and selfish assholes, yet they can’t hide it because they are narcissists.
So, watch out for the narcissists. They are toxic too. A spath is someone that you don’t figure out until it’s too late — or almost too late, but a narcissist shows red flags.
Kathy, holy cow. If I had the ability, I’d print out your response above and attach it to the fridge!!!
Where I was, personally, was a place of “peacekeeper.” My entire life was like being the UN Peacekeeping Force, alone and by myself. Because the onus of everyone’s well being and actions (“You let her drink, again?” re mother) was placed on my shoulders, as a child, I took up this stance of diplomat. I never demonstrated anger until things had gotten to a point of absolute intolerance, and THEN I went on to “feel guilty” that I was angry. Crazy self-talk, entirely.
Allowing myself to “feel” without a mandate to “do something about” those feelings comes through in your response, loud and clear. I know when I was taught not to acknowledge my feelings, but I think it’s vital that I remember that I was instructed to ignore or gloss over them rather than allow them to simply BE.
During counseling, the therapist finally responded to my anger by saying (almost in anger, herself), “Well, don’t you think that you have EVERY RIGHT to feel angry?!” Well, yeah….I did, but……being angry is WRONG! People who are angry do “bad things,” and I don’t want to be a “bad person.” Oh, she set me straight right there, and it all goes back to what I had been taught and instructed, as a child.
That’s the core of why we become angry with ourselves, I think. We were taught (at least, I was taught) the following:
* anger creates harm
* anger is a weakness
* anger solves nothing
* anger isn’t allowed
* anger interferes with peacekeeping
As a complete aside, my son accused me of becoming “furious” with him because, after a month, he didn’t remember his own phone number or address. I corrected him in that I was thoroughly annoyed and irritated because one’s contact information is VITAL, and he should have taken the time to learn this as soon as we relocated. “Fury” is something that I experienced when I reacted to the evidence that the exspath had been actually engaging in his deviant fantasies with (at least) one other person outside of the marriage. THAT was an episode where I was “furious.”
I know that I will personally jump my emotional rails if I pretend to feel anything other than what I’m actually feeling and to acknowledge those feelings as being “real.” They may not be based upon “fact,” but they are real feelings. If I supress or choke down anger, I will erupt at the most inappropriate moment when I can no longer control anger that I had allowed to simmer.
Brightest blessings
Sky, I still think you were/are courageous, even if you don’t give yourself credit. Most people would have WANTED to die after so many years with a partner trying to kill them and suck the life out of them. Since a large part of your life was spent with such an evil person (he’s beyond toxic), all the toxic people he brought into your life, and all the sick people you grew up with, it’s completely understandable that you would be on the lookout for bad people and see them in the majority of the population. And it could be that the circles you run in do have a lot of bad people.
Regarding what you say about narcissists, in my experience, most people in Western society have at least a little bit of narcissism, depending on how you define narcissism. Culturally, we encourage the “me/mine” mentality in this culture. In some other cultures there is a total focus on relationships and being part of a family and a community. There is less opportunity for narcissism in general. In fact, it’s kind of the opposite. People in Costa Rica think like “What’s mine is yours”. There isn’t even a trace of entitlement in many of the local ticos I met there. The Caribbean folks are a whole different story, and their sense of entitlement is cultural, too.
However, for someone to be a full blown NPD, by definition, they don’t have empathy for anyone but themselves. My mother and stepfather were very much like this, and I think my mother probably hasn’t changed much, though I’ve seen her try and take *some* responsibility for her behaviors. Yes, there are millions of people like my mother. In my neighborhood alone, there are only a small handful I would even want to hang out with.
However, of all the friends and acquaintances I have in my life at the moment (which are many – I had to limit my birthday party to 40 invites) – I’d say none of them are NPD. I had one that I cut out of my life recently. Before that, I had a massage client 3 or 4 years ago who was highly narcissistic, and I cut her out too. I can usually tell when someone is disordered. There is a sense of frustration I feel around them and a lack of respect for who I am. This is a red flag to me, and I will cut those people out. One of the ways I cut them out is that I stopped letting my income be dependent on them. As soon as I cut the toxic massage clients out, some healthy and good clients took their place. My clients now are all these wonderful and amazing people whom I’m proud to work with. I look forward to seeing them, and I feel our relationship is constructive for both of us. It takes a fair amount of trust in the universe to let go of toxic people when your income depends on them.
I don’t know if 50% of the population are full blown narcissists, but in my world, there are none. It’s hard to say whether you are just focusing in on the bad (and even narcissistic side) of all people, or whether you truly are surrounded by bad people (which can change as your life changes). Or if you’re just picking up on the disease of western society and focusing on that aspect. One thing for sure, I found that truly good people did not want to waste their time with me when I was not in a place to appreciate them or when I was too needy or entitled myself. I repeled them, and seemed to attract the ones who were at my level. This has changed a lot over the years. My friends are kind, encouraging, and respectful. They are not perfect and I don’t expect that. I don’t spend much time thinking about their alleged disorders – it’s a non-issue.
I’m trying to give you hope that there really are a lot of good people out there – people you can trust and people you would never think of as disordered. I just invited about 40 of them to my birthday party. 🙂 I wish you could meet them.
My D'(13) and S'(19) birthdays are 11 days apart. Spathzilla sent 2 cards (I recognised the writing on the envelopes) which I put aside until I decided whether to bin or return (I don’t have “IT’s” full address in Australia)
My S saw his card and opened it and I went into FULL “melt down.” I was soooooooooooo ANGRY. I ranted and raved. Now I couldn’t return the cards as S had accepted his like a gift from “IT” I felt betrayed, my D was crying and hugging my H who was in shock, he had never witnessed me SO ANGRY before. I was TOTALLY triggered.
Spathzilla views life that no one will ever “get the better” of “IT”. In “IT’s” mind “IT” has restored control and things have to be as they were before and we won’t talk about my “mental illness” again! Things were never out of control until “IT’s” warped mind sabotaged “normality”
“IT” took charge of a situation of “IT’s” own making then blamed me, told lies (smear campaign) to family and friends who don’t “get it”.
I’m supposed to pretend nothing happened and by NC on my part “IT’s” continuing engage with my children, who don’t understand.
I have blinding headaches, blue flashes in my eyes and “passed out” yesterday. Stress levels are “through the roof” and my children are scared that we will “split up”! Help!