The first question victims of love fraud ask concerns themselves and is generally something like, “Why is this so hard for me mentally?” The second question concerns the perpetrator, “What is wrong with him/her?” Many seek answers to these questions on the internet and in the popular psychology literature. A person looking for answers in these sources is just as likely to read about narcissism as he/she is to read about sociopathy. Thus the confusion between narcissism and sociopathy begins.
When trying to understand the difference (if any) between narcissists and sociopaths, it is important to understand why we have psychiatric diagnoses in the first place. We have diagnostic categories because people go to professionals seeking help for their emotional/psychological issues. The problem is that people who are grandiose, exploit others, lack empathy, and apparently have no conscience are unlikely to seek mental health treatment. Therefore, people with these symptoms are poorly understood. This is also the basic reason why this set of symptoms has been labeled both narcissism and sociopathy.
To further the confusion for victims of love fraud, a psychologist, Millon, has described the amorous narcissist. Such people are charming, articulate, charismatic and emotionally exploitative of their lovers. The amorous narcissist, like Don Juan, seeks conquest in his relationships. A Lovefraud reader commenting on another post has provided the best example of an amorous narcissist I have seen, yet she (correctly) calls him a sociopath:
I was completely taken in by a sociopath over a year ago. I had never met anyone who was so attentive, charming, complimentary, good looking”¦ oh, the list goes on. I felt I had not only met Mr. Right, but Mr. Perfect. This was a very cultured and well educated man. Unlike the stereotypical sociopath, he holds a good job -can even be considered a “captain of industry”. We live in different cities, so it was even easier for him to fool me. He would call me 2-3 times a day – send text messages, write e-mails. I wondered sometimes how he got the time to do all this. But it was almost impossible for ME to get him on the phone. He said he was at a meeting, at a business dinner etc.
He also seemed to not have many good friends. But all the people he mentioned were women – some one who went to the symphony with him – and had for a long time, someone who was a biking partner etc. He said his friendships with these people were built around common interests, which I thought was fair enough.
After 6 months and visits back and forth, his romantic speil was not as effusive, which I thought normal. But I also began noticing a lot of inconsistencies and lies. I caught him out on a lie about where he was – he said he was in one city on work and it turned out that he was in another on vacation – and I knew it had to be with another woman! Anyway, i expressed my distrust and he accused me of being suspicious for no reason. He said I had a mental illness and should have my head examined. I got so blisteringly angry when he said this that I told him that I would prove to him that my suspicions were warranted. I embarked on a detective spree and uncovered 4 women who he was courting the same way. One was the official girlfriend in the city where he lived. The others were mistress-type girlfriends. I spoke with all of them. And then I presented him with the evidence. He did not have much to say other than that he had “done everything for me, shown me a good time, bought me gifts”¦” and did not know why I was upset. I know now that there are others. It is like he needs to get all the women he meets to fall in love with him.
Generally speaking, the term narcissist is less pejorative than the term sociopath. The reason for this is that some professionals view the behavior of narcissists as stemming from “low self esteem.” Thus, people feel sorry for narcissists, “He/she wouldn’t do that if he/she didn’t have such low self esteem.” Many sociopaths also recognize that narcissists are more highly regarded than are sociopaths, and so state, “I’m not a sociopath, I’m just a narcissist!”
A close friend of mine who has been on a quest for answers about the man who perpetrated love fraud against her came to the legitimate conclusion that the perpetrator is a narcissist. We have had many discussions about her situation. What bothered me about her description of this man as a narcissist was that it seemed to be part of an ongoing effort not to accept his inherently evil nature. If perpetrators are only trying to bolster their low self esteem, they can still be “good.” It may also be that it is easier to accept being victimized if the perpetrator is a narcissist. The reality that we have spent years of our lives loving an evil sociopath is truly difficult to accept.
So what is the difference between a narcissist and a sociopath? Generally speaking narcissists are less impulsive and higher functioning than are sociopaths. Both narcissists and sociopaths have a severe disorder of the Inner Triangle. Both are not capable of love, and have problems with moral reasoning. In fact, many experts say that a condition called “pathological narcissism” is the core problem that results in sociopathy/psychopathy. In conclusion then, the answer to our question is, “To a victim of love fraud, there is no difference between a narcissist and a sociopath.”
ellejay – that’s some powerful writing: clear, concise, spot on…and what you describe is oh so familiar.
Ellejay,
my experience too! I was married for 18 years to a man whom I mourned in a normal way when we mutually agreed to divorce. I moved on to be healthy and productive again ….fast forward to me now, after a 4 year chaotic relationship with the spath. Anxious, depressed, un-emplooyed, and having addiction withdraw!…not the same vibrant person I was before.
Thank you for the elloquent description!
Dear Ellejay,
“The Devil” “Satan” Yep, EVIL for the sake of evil, evil for enjoyment. Scary.
Thanks, great post!
Ellejay you above post is right on the money!!….EXACTLY what I delt with and felt except mine was a female…also.. we are about the same time frame out, mine being 4 1/2 years now….I too researched this thing to death wondering if she was borderline, narcissist or sociopath, or whatever… at this point.. it really doesn’t matter what they are…the relationship and the years of healing afterwards has left a profound effect on me both good and bad…Sadly, I doubt I’ll ever be the same person as before…
Dear Southernman,
QUOTE: “I doubt I’ll ever be the same person as before!”
To that I say THANK GOD!!! I am so glad that I am NOT the same person I was before, because now I don’t live in CHAOS 24/7, I am not trying to FIX a psychopath(s) or endure humiliation and disrespect from them day in and day out.
Yep, Thank God that you are NOT the same person Southernman, you are a whole site better!!!! So don’t you forget that! I’m too tired to swing the skillet tonight after almost NO sleep last night during the “sleep-less apnea” test but I’ll yell out for EB and she’ll whack ya a good-un! LOL You now live P-FREE and if that ain’t an improvement, I do not know what is!!! God bless!
Oxy…you crack me up!….my “before” was WITHOUT anxiety, trust issues with others and myself, self esteem issues, triggers, bad memories, pessimism, PTSD, and what appears to be a perpetual dark spot on my heart…yeah those are the negatives…..there are positives…two of which are that I’m no longer involved with her and that I’m alive and didn’t die………smiles
Dear Southernman,
Well, the old “a rose by any other name…..” thing is I think needed here.
Okay, you didn’t have any anxiety BEFORE, and now you DO. Well, the only reason you didn’t have any anxiety is because you were too naive to know there were snakes in the grass and you needed to watch out for them.
So NOW you have PREDATOR AWARENESS (we’ll call it that instead of “anxiety”)
BEFORE you didn’t have TRUST issues you said—you were so unaware that you BLINDLY trusted everyone to be honest and good. DUH!
NOW you have CAUTION instead of BLIND TRUST issues. That’s a BIG improvement in my book.
You say you have “self esteem issues” now. Well BEFORE you obviously thought yourself “smarter and wiser” that you were (for proof refer back to the Blind trust etc) So now, you realize YOU ARE HUMAN and YOU DON’T KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS IN THE WORLD, BUT…BUT….you now know and have faith in a God that does. “What will a man gain if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul?” I think that’s a GOOD bargain, you gave up your reliance on human self and realized that you needed God. BIG improvement.
TRIGGERS now you say. Those are reminders to keep on the right path.
Bad memories now you say. Yep, so make some newer better memories.
Pessimisim, yea, but you can change that, it isn’t a tattoo after all. That is IN YOUR CONTROL.
So, yea, Southernman, I’m feeling perky today, and I had a bad day yesterday but today is good and I am perky and I got some sleep last night, so get off it and FOCUS ON THE POSITIVE because I have regained the strength in my right arm! (((Hugs)))) and God bless!
Oxy,
Your post to Southernman is wonderful. I have been saving little bits that are so inspiring to me. This is a gem to add to my list. (hope that’s allowable, I know not to plagerize.)
Sorry you had a bad day yesterday. But today, your answer redefines several hurtful consequences into blessings. One of my little morning prayers is to thank God “for blessings known and unknown”. Your post is the perfect example of unknown blessings… but now KNOWN and savored instead of dreaded! Thank you so much.
Dear KatyDid,
Thanks, I’m glad what I said helped you. I kind of had a down day yesterday too (partly because of the all night “sleep apnea” test which I didn’t get much sleep!) so when we are TIRED or whatever, it comes out as a “bad” day, but we dont have to let that become a LIFE STYLE.
I got a good night’s sleep last night 8 full hours and though I didn’t want to get up this morning I did and within a few minutes I felt MUCH BETTER. So the thing is that we have to keep on trucking and not let those NEGATIVE FEELINGS about things get us down.
The glass is half full.
The glass is half empty.
The glass is the WRONG SIZE.
A situation feels different with a different “name.” So re-name your problems into challenges!
Oxy,
Sorry to repeat myself but I don’t think you comprehend the value in your post.
For example: Like many people, I have come out the other side of my abusive life feeling older and wiser in that I no longer TRUST people, that I allow trust only as far as they have revealed themselves. I am wiser b/c I now know to be wary of the EVIL in the world.
So my constant mindset has been to keep up a high wall and protect myself. That leaves me feeling anxious much of the time, not knowing WHO to protect myself from, where the danger was coming from, but the worst was the FEELING of anxiety made me MORE anxious b/c I had the feeling without knowing the source, so I had NO WAY to calm the anxiety. Do you See the trap from my “older and wiser lesson”? I was stuck in it and didn’t even know it.
By seeing my anxiety as only a symptom of knowing there are snakes in the grass, it shrank the power it had over me. Magically, my anxiety is now a blessing, just a reminder that when I feel it, check for snakes. And then with the purpose served, I can feel calm again.
Another piece solved in my pursuit of healthy thinking. Just like the mantra I got from Hens:
I AM different.
I will NEVER be the same.
I AM making that a good thing.
Both were powerful posts and worth more than empathy (which is also extremely valuable but empathy is on the road to recovery, it is not the conclusion of recovery.). I was stuck, wanted to be unstuck, and didn’t know how to unstuck myself. Your post gave me that perspective…Freeing myself to be ‘different’ and that freedom is a GOOD thing!
With LOVE, KatyDid (b/c how can I feel less than love for someone who blessed me with such a gift?!!)