In response to my blog last week a reader commented:
I am a (borderline personality) BPD in love with a sociopath, I want to share the depth of sadness and emptiness that occurs in my soul knowing, I will never know the love and security that regular people have, Imagine how long life would be knowing you are not equipped with the same emotion’s as everyone else.
I have never understood why there is no compassion for those of us who were abused when we should’ve bonded. I did not ask to be this way and every day watch and listen to what others do in their relationships so I can do it too ( not that I have been successful , but I try).
It is not that I can’t love, it’s the opposite actually, that I am so consumed by not being loved that pushes me to that bored space that propagates my self destruction. I just feel that most socio/bpd’s wish that they had the same emotions as others, it is exhausting pretending and I wish I could go back and be my own mother and love me in a way that created a secure human not a scared , detached one like me. Bless”¦
PS , I pray every night for healing of my heart and my emotions”¦ still I am who I am.
I debated on whether to respond as a comment but the above is so well written and so touching that it deserves more visibility.
The scientific literature has documented that it is common for women with borderline personality and psychopathic personality traits to hook-up with males who are more pathological than they are. These hook-ups drag already vulnerable women down a path of terror and destruction. In speaking with many victims, I too have noted that a subset have borderline personality disorder.
To make matters worse, relationships between women with BPD and sociopathic men typically begin when the women are in their late teens and result in early pregnancy. The pair is unprepared emotionally and financially to be a couple and to care for their children, who are also then exposed to domestic violence and the sociopath’s “friends.”
Please consider that treating borderline personality in young women will reduce/prevent sociopathy in the next generation for two reasons. Treatment will reduce partnering with sociopaths and also improve parenting ability.
Why do women with BPD and sociopathy have such a high rate of partnering with sociopaths? I think the answer lies in their anxiety and in dominance motives. Sociopaths portray dominance and so are sought after as a source of security. Men who have lower levels of dominance and anxiety themselves are a turn off for insecure women. However, it is those more normal men who have the best chance at helping a borderline woman recover.
Also many women with BPD have a high level of power/dominance motivation themselves, so if they do get into a relationship with a less pathological male, they quickly make mince meat out of him. A dominant woman with BPD has the ability to destroy a normal man psychologically, just like a sociopath can.
If I had no hope I wouldn’t bring any of this up, because what is the point of spreading gloom and doom about human nature. I write this week because I don’t believe these scenarios have to play out in this way. As humans, we not only have the primitive brain with its unconscious motives of fear and dominance, we also have a “wise mind.”
If you have borderline personality (or sociopathy for that matter), your life challenge is to find your wise mind and work to connect with it. Your wise mind should dictate your actions not your primitive brain.
To discover your wise mind, you have to learn techniques of anxiety management. Anxiety interferes with the functioning of the wise mind.
Having a wise mind means deciding on values based on facts, not how I feel in the moment. For example, as I raise my son I am teaching him to have a wise mind. He knows that if left to his own devices at the age of 6 he would eat unhealthy food, not get enough sleep and entertain himself in a way that harmed him.
My son says, “I want to be the boss of myself!” Well to the extent that our primitive pleasure/fear brains choose our actions, whatever feeling of being the boss of ourselves we have is an illusion. It is only when we use our wise minds to make thoughtful decisions that we are really the boss.
Disordered parents are unable to impart the wise mind to their kids. This failure to teach impulse control is just as bad as a failure to teach love. In fact as you see by this writing, poor impulse control leads directly to an inability to love.
That gets me to the pleasure balance. In order to experience pleasure we have to be relatively free from anxiety. Thankfully, there are also medications for that.
So starting from a relatively low anxiety state, we have social and non-social pleasures. People with borderline and antisocial personality disorder also have trouble with non-social pleasures. They never learned to manage their entertainment/recreational needs. Most turn to substances for this purpose.
The wise mind knows that exercise, playing music, doing art, having hobbies and intellectual interests are important for personal growth, mental and physical health. The wise mind can choose to do these things.
The wise mind can also choose to do work to earn a living.
Social pleasures come in three forms, sex, power/dominance and affection. To the extent that sex is tied to affection and a healthy relationship, that pleasure can be fulfilling. Dominance/power that robs another person of autonomy never brings fulfillment. Love is the only real healthy social pleasure.
Our pleasure balance is not fixed and can be modified with time and practice. So my friend you can “go back and be my own mother and love me in a way that created a secure human not a scared , detached one like me.”
To start you have to use your wise mind to understand your own pleasure balance. Begin by developing healthy non-social pleasures. Every person needs a healthy diet, exercise and meaningful hobbies. Stop using recreational drugs. These things will not feel good to you when you first start them, but over time as you apply yourself you will feel better.
Then really look at your social behavior, not how you feel. Most sociopaths and people with BPD think they do feel “love.” If you dominate and control others, no matter what your reason for this is, you have to stop. As long as your relationships center around dominance you will never experience love.
To learn more about the wise mind, enter a DBT treatment program. If anyone has used a good self-help DBT book, please give us the title.
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Hi Oxy thanks for your suggestions. I am weeding my way through the articles, and also visiting some other sites, though I don’t post there. I have been studying this P/N/S behavior for about two years, but it has taken me this long to learn how to post and reach out. I findit interesting that my BPD behaviors only manifest themselves in intimate relationships. If you met me you would not assume I’m BPD. At least I don’t think you would. I am convinced that the three major relationships in my life, as well as many minor ones, were with Psychopaths. In my effort to contol their psychopathic treatment of me, I became abusive in return. (This is not in my nature) I think the real crux of my problem was a belief that I could change him, along with the unwillingness to leave him (fear of abandonment). Turns out, being abandoned by him was a blessing. I just want to add that He had left me several times in the past, just as I was losing the roof over our heads, therefore I had nothing to give him. But everytime I got back on my feet, here he’d come, back around. Also, if I’d try to get rid of him, he would go so far as remove the AC unit from the window and climb on in. He’d be standing in my living room when I came home from work. Creepy. Anyway this last time he left me,( so he thinks its his idea) and I”ve never had any contact with him since. Anyway, Yes, I”M trying to learn as much as I can about them, me and normal people, too. God Bless.
Skylar, thank you so much for your kindness. When I was first diagnosed, I really hated it, fought it, hoped it wasn’t true. I still don’t know if it is. It’s only a lable, after all. What’s really important is to take a look at what goes on with me. Why am I atracted to these a holes, and why are they attracted to me? Why once in can’t I get out? Why have I always found it neccisary to be in a relationship. For the first time in my life I really don’t want one. And that Is great. I am so grateful to have found this site and to have the wisdom and support of all of you . Thanks.
Dear Kim,
ALL of us need to develop and use our WISE MINDS as this article by Dr. Leedom suggests.
Not all people who have (or should have) the “label” of BPD or psychopath WANT to change though, and without wanting to change, no one can or will change.
“A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion, still” I don’t know who said that but I think it is a very true statement.
I suggest that you read the book “The Betrayal Bond,” if you have not, about trauma bonding.
Many times, I think, children who have been abused as children develop coping mechannisms that are hellpful to them as children, but NOT helpful as adults.
whether or not your “label” applies to you, I can say that you are obviously a THINKING person who is interested in seeking new coping patterns, and a different life pattern. In my professional practice with BPDs not many of them have had that attitude or insight, but more wanted to blame others for their problems, rather than accept that their own choices were influencing their situations. Another book I recommend to people is “Games People Play” by Dr. Eric Berne, who looks at these “games” from a transactional standpoint that might be helpful to you.
Good luck in your healing, Kim, we all have things we need to work on, some more than others, some less, but we all are on the same journey and I am glad you are here! (((hugs))) and God bless you.
I learned about BPD in my twenties when I was studying it in grad school. At the time, a little light bulb went on, and I believed that was what was wrong with me. In the years that followed (after dropping out of school), I was diagnosed on two separate occasions with BPD. I sit here today at 48 and honestly don’t know to what extent I have this disorder or whether I think it can be cured. I know I worked out a lot of the rage/abandonment grief in various relationships. I notice that I still overreact to disappointments, and wonder if sometimes I set myself up for those disappointments too. In many ways I feel stronger and more accepting of myself than I ever have. And yet I have been home sick for 2 weeks due to inability to process a lot of work stress and to relax fully on my days off work. I really dislike my job of 7 years, but haven’t found a way to leave. I feel trapped in my life sometimes, and this is a repeat of how I felt as a child with my abusive parents–trapped with no way out. A job with no ability to leave it, a condo I cannot sell or rent out, and needing the job to pay for that condo………it’s no wonder I have been sick for 2 weeks.
I was recently blogging on my favorite website (the reptile site) about how I am thinking I may need to shift my priorities in what I want in a marriage partner and marry for security. That excitement I get dating younger guys does not offer me stability and security. I think a solid marriage will help me out of my situation and give me a sense of family and belonging. But I will have to start seeking different types of men than I’m used to dating. I was blogging about this and a woman I have known for a while dropped into the site and started criticizing me about this decision. I was amazed at how much her comments hurt me. This has made me feel pretty down today, so I have come here, around you gentle people, to help lick my wounds.
It’s so great to see all the healing that has gone on here since I haven’t been around. And Oxy going on a date? Wow!
Hi Stargazer,
It is great to see you back.
Here is a site I discovered since the last time I “talked” to you, I think. http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/10-fundamental-lessons-onboundaries-in-relationships-part-1/ That is just one article. There is also a drama reduction series, etc.
There is a lot on thinking about what you want in a partner. One I really liked was http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/what-is-love-and-a-good-relationship/
But this is the one that I think speaks to what you are talking about…which I think is a GOOD thing…marrying for security. I’m interpretting that as looking for someone who is responsible, accountable, secure in themselves, etc.
http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/guest-post-but-is-he-happy/
Really great guide to a proper screening method!
I love this quote from that article “A partner that is skilled at getting dates is seriously bad news. Whether they are only interested in new conquests, too ignorant to form or maintain a long term relationship, or are actual predators, they have developed a life skill that will work against a relationship. They will *never* stop picking up partners (i.e. “cheat”).”
Nice guys DON’T finish last when the woman has her head on straight!
Stargazer, jeez, you’re reading my mind. I self diagnosed myself (no, I’m not a professional) as BPD the other day on this site, then changed my mind! I read the “criteria” and I could answer yes to more than 5 of the questions. Maybe I should see a professional. Anyway, I feel stuck, really stuck, and when I let my mind WANDER to dating/marriage I feel that if he can’t offer security and stability, then why should I waste my time? I can offer those things to myself. Really, if he doesn’t own his own home, can’t put me on his medical insurance, and doesn’t have a lot of family and friends… well, ugh. I obviously usually date losers who seem more exciting… and look where it’s got me. The women who married the boring guys are maybe the ones who are happy??? D’oh!
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i read someone made a comment to me and i responded but cant find my entry…Yes my ex is getting all these lies from the BF….She knew every detail of our life together. Its very sick. She hated how controlling he was towards me and that i always seemed to b walking on eggshells. I think she has total mind control over him. I definatley think he is going to TRY controlling her, but she is definatley a sociopath. I so hope it ends so that me and my children can finally be rid of having her rub this in our faces. She acts like asif she has done nothing wrong. Most of the community knows her and knew for years, but I didnt see…I guess she got tired of being left and he wasnt the BEST man but the sex was good, and he was a good dad, and i wanted it to work, we shared a child, i was so inlove with him and i already had one divorce. She wanted MY LIFE. i am successful and dont need a man to survive financially (unlike her). BUT will she tire of him. he couldnt really contribute to the bills, he isnt motivated, and after a year i miss him and still hurt. I was always having to make him think about priorities. It was tough and he considered this nagging. i should have caught on to HER, a few months b4 he left me, she would say they were a lot alike, she pointed out that she thought i was tough on him (when she knew damn well i had to be), and she told me that it was a mistake to ask him to leave AFTER he told me he wanted out! Its painful to see them together. Every1 that sees them tells me how sick it looks, and how sick she is, and they can’t believe it…the question remains how can she walk with her head high like she is all that? when u look at her, you see she’s sick, she looks like a desperate woman….I just wish i had believed alll the bad things ppl were telling me about her, instead of protecting her and quite possibly being the person who helped this EVIL beast. She has been the one WHO was responsible for all the GIRLS who got out of circle of friends – why didnt i see. She always portrayed to be the victim! And I fell for it!