In response to my blog last week a reader commented:
I am a (borderline personality) BPD in love with a sociopath, I want to share the depth of sadness and emptiness that occurs in my soul knowing, I will never know the love and security that regular people have, Imagine how long life would be knowing you are not equipped with the same emotion’s as everyone else.
I have never understood why there is no compassion for those of us who were abused when we should’ve bonded. I did not ask to be this way and every day watch and listen to what others do in their relationships so I can do it too ( not that I have been successful , but I try).
It is not that I can’t love, it’s the opposite actually, that I am so consumed by not being loved that pushes me to that bored space that propagates my self destruction. I just feel that most socio/bpd’s wish that they had the same emotions as others, it is exhausting pretending and I wish I could go back and be my own mother and love me in a way that created a secure human not a scared , detached one like me. Bless”¦
PS , I pray every night for healing of my heart and my emotions”¦ still I am who I am.
I debated on whether to respond as a comment but the above is so well written and so touching that it deserves more visibility.
The scientific literature has documented that it is common for women with borderline personality and psychopathic personality traits to hook-up with males who are more pathological than they are. These hook-ups drag already vulnerable women down a path of terror and destruction. In speaking with many victims, I too have noted that a subset have borderline personality disorder.
To make matters worse, relationships between women with BPD and sociopathic men typically begin when the women are in their late teens and result in early pregnancy. The pair is unprepared emotionally and financially to be a couple and to care for their children, who are also then exposed to domestic violence and the sociopath’s “friends.”
Please consider that treating borderline personality in young women will reduce/prevent sociopathy in the next generation for two reasons. Treatment will reduce partnering with sociopaths and also improve parenting ability.
Why do women with BPD and sociopathy have such a high rate of partnering with sociopaths? I think the answer lies in their anxiety and in dominance motives. Sociopaths portray dominance and so are sought after as a source of security. Men who have lower levels of dominance and anxiety themselves are a turn off for insecure women. However, it is those more normal men who have the best chance at helping a borderline woman recover.
Also many women with BPD have a high level of power/dominance motivation themselves, so if they do get into a relationship with a less pathological male, they quickly make mince meat out of him. A dominant woman with BPD has the ability to destroy a normal man psychologically, just like a sociopath can.
If I had no hope I wouldn’t bring any of this up, because what is the point of spreading gloom and doom about human nature. I write this week because I don’t believe these scenarios have to play out in this way. As humans, we not only have the primitive brain with its unconscious motives of fear and dominance, we also have a “wise mind.”
If you have borderline personality (or sociopathy for that matter), your life challenge is to find your wise mind and work to connect with it. Your wise mind should dictate your actions not your primitive brain.
To discover your wise mind, you have to learn techniques of anxiety management. Anxiety interferes with the functioning of the wise mind.
Having a wise mind means deciding on values based on facts, not how I feel in the moment. For example, as I raise my son I am teaching him to have a wise mind. He knows that if left to his own devices at the age of 6 he would eat unhealthy food, not get enough sleep and entertain himself in a way that harmed him.
My son says, “I want to be the boss of myself!” Well to the extent that our primitive pleasure/fear brains choose our actions, whatever feeling of being the boss of ourselves we have is an illusion. It is only when we use our wise minds to make thoughtful decisions that we are really the boss.
Disordered parents are unable to impart the wise mind to their kids. This failure to teach impulse control is just as bad as a failure to teach love. In fact as you see by this writing, poor impulse control leads directly to an inability to love.
That gets me to the pleasure balance. In order to experience pleasure we have to be relatively free from anxiety. Thankfully, there are also medications for that.
So starting from a relatively low anxiety state, we have social and non-social pleasures. People with borderline and antisocial personality disorder also have trouble with non-social pleasures. They never learned to manage their entertainment/recreational needs. Most turn to substances for this purpose.
The wise mind knows that exercise, playing music, doing art, having hobbies and intellectual interests are important for personal growth, mental and physical health. The wise mind can choose to do these things.
The wise mind can also choose to do work to earn a living.
Social pleasures come in three forms, sex, power/dominance and affection. To the extent that sex is tied to affection and a healthy relationship, that pleasure can be fulfilling. Dominance/power that robs another person of autonomy never brings fulfillment. Love is the only real healthy social pleasure.
Our pleasure balance is not fixed and can be modified with time and practice. So my friend you can “go back and be my own mother and love me in a way that created a secure human not a scared , detached one like me.”
To start you have to use your wise mind to understand your own pleasure balance. Begin by developing healthy non-social pleasures. Every person needs a healthy diet, exercise and meaningful hobbies. Stop using recreational drugs. These things will not feel good to you when you first start them, but over time as you apply yourself you will feel better.
Then really look at your social behavior, not how you feel. Most sociopaths and people with BPD think they do feel “love.” If you dominate and control others, no matter what your reason for this is, you have to stop. As long as your relationships center around dominance you will never experience love.
To learn more about the wise mind, enter a DBT treatment program. If anyone has used a good self-help DBT book, please give us the title.
Dear Tired,
I know it may be difficult to realize this, but what SHE and HE have or don’t have together is not, I think, what you need to be thinking about. I know it is difficult not to be angry, or to find someone to “blame”—but right now, you need, I think, to concentrate on YOU—not on him or them.
What they did, to cheat on you, or to smear your name in the community, is not “right” or “fair” and as you said “it is painful to see them together” so as much as you can DON’T see them, don’t be where they will be, and don’t listen to others talk about them. the more you see about them, or the more people tell you about them, the more it will make YOU hurt.
He is out of your life and I believe it is beneficial to YOU to take care of YOU and not concentrate on them.
Going back and “beating ourselves up” about “why didn’t I see” etc. isn’t going to change the past….look toward the future, a brighter future for YOU without them. (((hugs))))
tired, I responded to your post last night, and I can’t find it either! Don’t beat yourself up that “you fell for it”, we’ve all done that in one way or another. I understand that it’s been a year and you still hurt, it does hurt, a lot. Are you feeling a little bit better than you did last year? I broke up with a man after 14 years… about 1.5 years ago, it doesn’t hurt too much anymore, I have accepted it, right now, at this moment, I’m ok. I have good days and bad. The BF does sound horrible, she only thinks of herself, that’s why she can hold her head up high. OxDrover is right, try not to see them unless you have to and don’t listen to what others say about them, it does help.
Tired,
What is confusing you is the motive for their behavior. That’s what confused me for so long. I mean, nothing made any sense, there was no gain….
MALICE is the only motive. Yes, much to my surprise, there are people who get soooooo much pleasure from the suffering of others that it is like an addiction. Doesn’t that blow you away? It still does for me.
You thought you had a best friend, but these people are so evil that they will sacrifice time and money too lure you into thinking that they love you, just so they can hurt you and watch you despair. Isn’t that the strangest thing you ever heard? You probably don’t believe me. But it’s true. It’s like you came in contact with the devil. that is why it’s so unbelievable. these “people” are dedicated to destroying others for no reason other than pleasure.
So, your BF was not. She is evil. Your ex, may or maynot be a P, but right now, you need to focus on you. What you didn’t see and why you missed it. You need to make sure you are not “played” again. read, read, read, books and blogs anything you can read on the subject of narcissism. Get strong. With knowledge comes strength and you will soon stop reacting emotionally (as much) to these vampires.
My own experience is new, but getting better. Still, only 4 months out, I don’t know what the future holds for me, so I can’t predict your future either. I just know that you will grow stronger and better.
so why did she wait so long to make me her next victim…why take the man i had kids with and loved….she sat their when i cried for him, when he was unreasonable and walked out on me..she hated him for it…i guess i can see it more clearly now, that i was always there for her, but tho she was an ear for me..that was it, she needed me more; financially, constant drama all around her 9her family, kids, man of the time, friends being jealous of her, judging her) it really never ended! but i felt bad for her, flet she was always the victim!! crazy…she is pure evil. why after all that would u rub it in my face? why not just take it and try an leave me alone? she has to know every1 thinks she is nasty? i balme myself tho because i allowed her to get close to him. i found out now that HER worst enemy – some1 she said she naver talked to…that she was telling her for months prior to this BIG taking of my man…that she was starting to polt that i was a cheater and liar and called ppl down…basically that i was ABOUT to deserve what she was about to do to me…well her game didnt work becuz that worst enemy could see thru her – she seen desperate…she knew how much this evil woman hated her and figured she was up to more evil…but she was even shocked…its hard when u share a child…how do u protect your child from lies and evilness…her dad cant see, he THINKS i am the liar and the crazy one…what happens when she finally gets tired of him and he sees? will he then see what he did to the family that cared and had true love for him? sucks….
i do feel much better now than the last year, BUT if i didnt hav eto see it all the time…it would be a lot easier…it’s really gross and sick to see them together…they seriously think they look good together…she even puts on a show for my boys who thought of her like a mom; thats pure evil to intentionally hurt kids emotionally….but would she care about mine, when she emotionally hurts her own…BUT she doesnt act like she knows she does it…i didnt see it b4…but i know now from the victims she left behind in her trails….there could b a group!!? she’s exposed…i thought sociopaths hated to be exposed? yet head up high like she’s a queen.
oxdriver: thats where im stuck – exactly “always thinking about what and how they are doing together” are they like we were? can it be? can they feel those love shocks…it was crazy (he was a big controlling jerk) but we had a real connection….u know that static when you touch….i have to try and get over that part…do i want to b with some1 where i am always walking on eggshells. no but i want to feel the good feelings again…at this time he cant talk to me even about the child! he is now walking on eggshells i can SEE it!! he is totally controllled – its pathetic actually… so mayb one day i will ask him how it felt! thanks.
There is much more going on than your personal Trama! It is much worse! A pandemic!
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tired, hi, just read your posts, hang in there, maybe now that you know the truth… you’ll feel better, know it wasn’t you, keep reading the articles and posting your feelings, I have learned so much here, not just about THEM, but probably more about myself, which is more important!!
Thank you for what you wrote, Justabouthealed. A lot of what you said about healing and choosing partners based on love/sex, before really knowing them, seems to mirror my own life. I’m still learning how to go into relationships slowly (against my own inclination to rush into it and into commitment) and fight against those who wish to rush me into a relationship, saying that I do not trust and must open myself up to embrace life. I recently deleted a man from my life, whom I just met, who tried to convince me that I must rush forward and embrace… After him… and after all the other relationships and the men who have let me down in one form or another… I am done. I don’t plan to enter into a relationship with a man again any time soon, or if ever… even if my hormones suggest otherwise… What you’ve said merely reinforced my decision and I am grateful. 🙂
Hello everyone. This is my first blog I’ve ever written to. I’m ama male that got involved with a socio/narcist. female 3 years ago. First 2 years were great, this last year my subconscious told me someting wasnt right. She now has a new boytoy that she tried to hide from me for the last few months.
My recomandation is to look at some materials that I havent seen talked about here. The US Dept Of Health and Human Services has a dept. called Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services, (SAMHSA). The website is extensive, but they have publications called TIP (Treatment Improvement Protocol) They are numbered with descriptions. At tax payer costs, you can order them, sent to your home, or read them online via Adobe.
The particular TIP I would recommend is TIP 42, Substance abuse treatment for persons with co-occurring disorders. In there you may find some answers to what you may be experiencing. I never had a clue I was dealing with a socio. until I found this website and many others. SAMHSA has many other pubs. on mental illness. Good luck all, the pain cant last forever. Mr.