In response to my blog last week a reader commented:
I am a (borderline personality) BPD in love with a sociopath, I want to share the depth of sadness and emptiness that occurs in my soul knowing, I will never know the love and security that regular people have, Imagine how long life would be knowing you are not equipped with the same emotion’s as everyone else.
I have never understood why there is no compassion for those of us who were abused when we should’ve bonded. I did not ask to be this way and every day watch and listen to what others do in their relationships so I can do it too ( not that I have been successful , but I try).
It is not that I can’t love, it’s the opposite actually, that I am so consumed by not being loved that pushes me to that bored space that propagates my self destruction. I just feel that most socio/bpd’s wish that they had the same emotions as others, it is exhausting pretending and I wish I could go back and be my own mother and love me in a way that created a secure human not a scared , detached one like me. Bless”¦
PS , I pray every night for healing of my heart and my emotions”¦ still I am who I am.
I debated on whether to respond as a comment but the above is so well written and so touching that it deserves more visibility.
The scientific literature has documented that it is common for women with borderline personality and psychopathic personality traits to hook-up with males who are more pathological than they are. These hook-ups drag already vulnerable women down a path of terror and destruction. In speaking with many victims, I too have noted that a subset have borderline personality disorder.
To make matters worse, relationships between women with BPD and sociopathic men typically begin when the women are in their late teens and result in early pregnancy. The pair is unprepared emotionally and financially to be a couple and to care for their children, who are also then exposed to domestic violence and the sociopath’s “friends.”
Please consider that treating borderline personality in young women will reduce/prevent sociopathy in the next generation for two reasons. Treatment will reduce partnering with sociopaths and also improve parenting ability.
Why do women with BPD and sociopathy have such a high rate of partnering with sociopaths? I think the answer lies in their anxiety and in dominance motives. Sociopaths portray dominance and so are sought after as a source of security. Men who have lower levels of dominance and anxiety themselves are a turn off for insecure women. However, it is those more normal men who have the best chance at helping a borderline woman recover.
Also many women with BPD have a high level of power/dominance motivation themselves, so if they do get into a relationship with a less pathological male, they quickly make mince meat out of him. A dominant woman with BPD has the ability to destroy a normal man psychologically, just like a sociopath can.
If I had no hope I wouldn’t bring any of this up, because what is the point of spreading gloom and doom about human nature. I write this week because I don’t believe these scenarios have to play out in this way. As humans, we not only have the primitive brain with its unconscious motives of fear and dominance, we also have a “wise mind.”
If you have borderline personality (or sociopathy for that matter), your life challenge is to find your wise mind and work to connect with it. Your wise mind should dictate your actions not your primitive brain.
To discover your wise mind, you have to learn techniques of anxiety management. Anxiety interferes with the functioning of the wise mind.
Having a wise mind means deciding on values based on facts, not how I feel in the moment. For example, as I raise my son I am teaching him to have a wise mind. He knows that if left to his own devices at the age of 6 he would eat unhealthy food, not get enough sleep and entertain himself in a way that harmed him.
My son says, “I want to be the boss of myself!” Well to the extent that our primitive pleasure/fear brains choose our actions, whatever feeling of being the boss of ourselves we have is an illusion. It is only when we use our wise minds to make thoughtful decisions that we are really the boss.
Disordered parents are unable to impart the wise mind to their kids. This failure to teach impulse control is just as bad as a failure to teach love. In fact as you see by this writing, poor impulse control leads directly to an inability to love.
That gets me to the pleasure balance. In order to experience pleasure we have to be relatively free from anxiety. Thankfully, there are also medications for that.
So starting from a relatively low anxiety state, we have social and non-social pleasures. People with borderline and antisocial personality disorder also have trouble with non-social pleasures. They never learned to manage their entertainment/recreational needs. Most turn to substances for this purpose.
The wise mind knows that exercise, playing music, doing art, having hobbies and intellectual interests are important for personal growth, mental and physical health. The wise mind can choose to do these things.
The wise mind can also choose to do work to earn a living.
Social pleasures come in three forms, sex, power/dominance and affection. To the extent that sex is tied to affection and a healthy relationship, that pleasure can be fulfilling. Dominance/power that robs another person of autonomy never brings fulfillment. Love is the only real healthy social pleasure.
Our pleasure balance is not fixed and can be modified with time and practice. So my friend you can “go back and be my own mother and love me in a way that created a secure human not a scared , detached one like me.”
To start you have to use your wise mind to understand your own pleasure balance. Begin by developing healthy non-social pleasures. Every person needs a healthy diet, exercise and meaningful hobbies. Stop using recreational drugs. These things will not feel good to you when you first start them, but over time as you apply yourself you will feel better.
Then really look at your social behavior, not how you feel. Most sociopaths and people with BPD think they do feel “love.” If you dominate and control others, no matter what your reason for this is, you have to stop. As long as your relationships center around dominance you will never experience love.
To learn more about the wise mind, enter a DBT treatment program. If anyone has used a good self-help DBT book, please give us the title.
OxD
I was agreeing with you!
There is an enormous amount of Knowledge and wisdom here.
Our own natural instinct ( gut feeling ) when something feels to good to be true.
Those boundaries are our first sign , that what we thought might be a good person could possibly not be genuine!
101
Look what I found
The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off. ~ Gloria Steinem
Dear Easy,
THANKS for the source of the quote. It was used here on LF once but I didn’t know who said it and the person posting it didn’t apparently know either, glad to know who said it!!
Yea, it is SO TRUE. We sure don’t want the know the truth because it HURTS so bad, but knowing it does set us FREE. I feel like I have been released from the SLAVERY of having to make everyone else’s life “happy”—and doing everything for them. It is a LIBERATING FEELING to have the weight of the ENTIRE UNIVERSE off my back! I no longer have to feel lthe FEAR
OOPS, IT POSTED BEFORE I FINISHED.
Continued:, (I no longer have the) Fear, Obliation and Guilt that I don’t take every one else’s problems on my shoulders and fix them. I AM FREE, THANK GOD I AM FREE!!!
TOWANDA!!!!
Hi everyone. It’s been a while I lost my pw and have been very busy trying to keep my job and dealing with a boss that apparently hates me. The plus side was that that stress was great enough to push the S/P stress into the background for a while. I’ve maintained NC since May 4 but tonight for some unknown reason I googled him and found out some things that are no surprise but that sick feeling has gripped me now and I’m overcome with rage, jealousy, and heartsickness.
It is so hard to deal with being discarded like trash esp damaging to my confidence which was clearly never that great seeing as I was mixed up with the S for ten years. I’m so angry that I wouldn’t trust myself if we were to cross paths I would probably claw his ugly face off! How unfair that I spend every day struggling to forget him and praying for the pain to turn to indifference while he gives no more thought to me than he would a piece of chewed up gum he tossed in the trash!
Easy, I love that quote but how long until I’m free?! I know that I am so much better off without him but why can’t my wisemind get through to my heart. Ugh.
I need to track down my pw so I can get on my laptop and read up and soak in all of your wisdom. It’s very difficult to post from my phone. Thank you all for sharing it makes all the difference I’d really lose it without LF.
Dearest NewLily, I hope and pray your still at home and havent left yet for your sisters funeral. Ive managed to find EVERYTHING on the list I gave you for your little ritual,they are bought, in a padded bag, all ready to post to you with my love.I have emailed Donna to ask her if it is Ok for you to give HER your email and postal address, she will then give them to me,and I can send off the package to you. All I need to know also is when youll be back home, so the package doesnt arrive while youre gone.
OK? Lots of Love, geminigirl{{{Hugs}}} to ALL of you.XX
” if they do get into a relationship with a less pathological male, they quickly make mince meat out of him. A dominant woman with BPD has the ability to destroy a normal man psychologically, just like a sociopath can.” This should read: “man or woman”. I have had “friendships” (my so called “best friend”s)over the years with women who are diagnosed (I don’t find out until its too late) with borderline personality disorder. The impact of their destruction upon me has been massive. However, what is worse, in retrospect, is the damge I have witnessed them do to their children. Quite shocking. I have never met a man with borderline personality disorder that I know of. Is it more common in women?
However the damage these women have done to their male partners is very scary (not physical, but on EVERY other level). The ones I have known have ALL been very extroverted and charming and witty and ALWAYS have their own fan club (of other women) that seem to follow them wherever they go (until they are of no use and then discarded).
Blueskies:
I’m sorry but i had the biggest giggle at your reaction to Oxy’s “You tear wings off butterflies”!lol! I’m sorry… but it cheered me up as I identified with you. I would have reacted the same as you probably, because its such a cliche. I was imagining you like a pollyanna -stamping your feet and screwing up your face and yelling “I do NOT tear wings off BUTTERFLIES”!! so funny…you made my day! I’m sure this probably happened to us on another level as children!
OxD/ Done
Freedom is a process/journey , a destination. If we can use our pain to change ourselves into what we want to be!
Think about this, we all where involved with a person who does not truely connect/bond with anyone or any thing, Except them selves! So when we take it personal it is even more difficult to stop thinking about it. And when it is a part of you as OxD and many others ,ie; a child, it is allmost impossible to let go or not think about.
By forgiving yourself first, you can start to THINK about you instead of them.
We are what we think about? or are we better than we know?
The wise know that they are allways learning and growing!
I pray that we all learn and grow from our experiences.
Dear Done, what does ” pw?” stand for?
Done, you must also do “emotional NC” with him that means no googling him, no finding out what he is doing, not listening to others tell you what he is doing. If anyone of your or his “friends” try to tell you anything about him, just say “I am not going to discuss ‘John’ and I would appreciate it if you would not discuss me with him.” If they don’t take the hint, walk away.
Anytime we even have “emotional” contact with them by googling them or listening, it is just as bad on US as a real contact. I know it is hard, but the longer you have absolute NC the better you will do!!! (((hugs))))