In response to my blog last week a reader commented:
I am a (borderline personality) BPD in love with a sociopath, I want to share the depth of sadness and emptiness that occurs in my soul knowing, I will never know the love and security that regular people have, Imagine how long life would be knowing you are not equipped with the same emotion’s as everyone else.
I have never understood why there is no compassion for those of us who were abused when we should’ve bonded. I did not ask to be this way and every day watch and listen to what others do in their relationships so I can do it too ( not that I have been successful , but I try).
It is not that I can’t love, it’s the opposite actually, that I am so consumed by not being loved that pushes me to that bored space that propagates my self destruction. I just feel that most socio/bpd’s wish that they had the same emotions as others, it is exhausting pretending and I wish I could go back and be my own mother and love me in a way that created a secure human not a scared , detached one like me. Bless”¦
PS , I pray every night for healing of my heart and my emotions”¦ still I am who I am.
I debated on whether to respond as a comment but the above is so well written and so touching that it deserves more visibility.
The scientific literature has documented that it is common for women with borderline personality and psychopathic personality traits to hook-up with males who are more pathological than they are. These hook-ups drag already vulnerable women down a path of terror and destruction. In speaking with many victims, I too have noted that a subset have borderline personality disorder.
To make matters worse, relationships between women with BPD and sociopathic men typically begin when the women are in their late teens and result in early pregnancy. The pair is unprepared emotionally and financially to be a couple and to care for their children, who are also then exposed to domestic violence and the sociopath’s “friends.”
Please consider that treating borderline personality in young women will reduce/prevent sociopathy in the next generation for two reasons. Treatment will reduce partnering with sociopaths and also improve parenting ability.
Why do women with BPD and sociopathy have such a high rate of partnering with sociopaths? I think the answer lies in their anxiety and in dominance motives. Sociopaths portray dominance and so are sought after as a source of security. Men who have lower levels of dominance and anxiety themselves are a turn off for insecure women. However, it is those more normal men who have the best chance at helping a borderline woman recover.
Also many women with BPD have a high level of power/dominance motivation themselves, so if they do get into a relationship with a less pathological male, they quickly make mince meat out of him. A dominant woman with BPD has the ability to destroy a normal man psychologically, just like a sociopath can.
If I had no hope I wouldn’t bring any of this up, because what is the point of spreading gloom and doom about human nature. I write this week because I don’t believe these scenarios have to play out in this way. As humans, we not only have the primitive brain with its unconscious motives of fear and dominance, we also have a “wise mind.”
If you have borderline personality (or sociopathy for that matter), your life challenge is to find your wise mind and work to connect with it. Your wise mind should dictate your actions not your primitive brain.
To discover your wise mind, you have to learn techniques of anxiety management. Anxiety interferes with the functioning of the wise mind.
Having a wise mind means deciding on values based on facts, not how I feel in the moment. For example, as I raise my son I am teaching him to have a wise mind. He knows that if left to his own devices at the age of 6 he would eat unhealthy food, not get enough sleep and entertain himself in a way that harmed him.
My son says, “I want to be the boss of myself!” Well to the extent that our primitive pleasure/fear brains choose our actions, whatever feeling of being the boss of ourselves we have is an illusion. It is only when we use our wise minds to make thoughtful decisions that we are really the boss.
Disordered parents are unable to impart the wise mind to their kids. This failure to teach impulse control is just as bad as a failure to teach love. In fact as you see by this writing, poor impulse control leads directly to an inability to love.
That gets me to the pleasure balance. In order to experience pleasure we have to be relatively free from anxiety. Thankfully, there are also medications for that.
So starting from a relatively low anxiety state, we have social and non-social pleasures. People with borderline and antisocial personality disorder also have trouble with non-social pleasures. They never learned to manage their entertainment/recreational needs. Most turn to substances for this purpose.
The wise mind knows that exercise, playing music, doing art, having hobbies and intellectual interests are important for personal growth, mental and physical health. The wise mind can choose to do these things.
The wise mind can also choose to do work to earn a living.
Social pleasures come in three forms, sex, power/dominance and affection. To the extent that sex is tied to affection and a healthy relationship, that pleasure can be fulfilling. Dominance/power that robs another person of autonomy never brings fulfillment. Love is the only real healthy social pleasure.
Our pleasure balance is not fixed and can be modified with time and practice. So my friend you can “go back and be my own mother and love me in a way that created a secure human not a scared , detached one like me.”
To start you have to use your wise mind to understand your own pleasure balance. Begin by developing healthy non-social pleasures. Every person needs a healthy diet, exercise and meaningful hobbies. Stop using recreational drugs. These things will not feel good to you when you first start them, but over time as you apply yourself you will feel better.
Then really look at your social behavior, not how you feel. Most sociopaths and people with BPD think they do feel “love.” If you dominate and control others, no matter what your reason for this is, you have to stop. As long as your relationships center around dominance you will never experience love.
To learn more about the wise mind, enter a DBT treatment program. If anyone has used a good self-help DBT book, please give us the title.
Easy,
“forgiving myself for being human” was the hardest part of all for me….I even wrote an article (somewhere back in the archives by that name) It was almost like a flash though and I got through so much as soon as I DID forgive myself. I’m reading a book right now on “people pleasing” and I realize that much of it applies to me.
I had little or no trouble setting boundaries or standing up for myself with people outside my family and close circle of trust, but boy, within that circle of trust, I “walked on egg shells” to try to please these people who could NOT be satisfied no matter what I did for them. It was always “Yes, I know you did such and such in the past, but WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME TODAY?” They have no gratitude, they EXPECT and DEMAND and feel ENTITLED to my sacrifices and become very angry if I don’t give in….and I in turn, feel abandoned and unloved and/or angry that they have no “gratitude” for my sacrifices.
I cannot “demand” or “expect” that everyone I love will love me back and that they “owe” me love because I have been so “nice” to them. Sacrificed so much for them.
Though I still feel good about helping others, I am no longer “enabling” those who will not help themselves and expect me to solve all their problems. I am placing the responsibility for their problems back on their shoulders instead of taking them on to my shoulders. I am being supportive of others while still expecting them to do otheir own problem solving.
Also, if the person continues to try to put their problems for which they are responsible for solving, or to place the blame on me for the problem because of their choices, I DO NOT accept this EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL personally.
Recently I had a situation where I tried to respond to a request for “help” and I did, but it wasn’t too long before I actually saw that the person was trying to make me responsible for their problems and that they expected me to “solve” all their problems by supporting them financially while they did nothing but whine about what a victim they are.
The driving force seemed to be “what can you expect out of me? I am a victim, therefore, it is someone else’s duty to take care of me.” Dr. Leedom did an article on the “helpless mouse” and maybe that was the problem, or possibly “dependent personality disorder” where an adult is unwilling/unable to grow up into an independently functioning person even though they have reached an age where you would expect maturity. Yet, while they want someone else to provide for their basic needs of food, housing, transportation etc. they want to come and go and ACT independently and still be “supported” entirely. Sounds kind of disordered doesn’t it? All of us can use some “help” and understanding and compassion when we are beaten down into a victim status, but it is still entirely up to us to get up off the floor and solve our own problems, take responsibility for our choices.
Even my adult sons who live at home are not living here as parasites, but as part of a working family unit. Contribuiting both monney and labor to the common good of the house hold….and that also includes acting respectfully with the other members of the household. The bottom line is that as long as they contribute to the common good and common peace, they are welcome here, it is beneficial for all three of us right now, as the amount of labor needed to keep the house and farm going is divided, and the income they provide to the household upkeep in both labor and money makes all of our living situations easier and nicer.
However, they both know that this is not a prison camp, the gates are locked but they have the keys and they are free to leave at any time the “rules” here are too hard for them to follow, or they feel like they are getting a bad deal or being mistreated.
Since they got their first jobs in high school, the rule was 1/3 of take home to me for room and board, 1/3 to them for their spending and expenses and 1/3 to savings for emergencies and large purchases, and do their fair share of the household and farm chores without me having to remind them. Neither of my guys think this is unfair or unrealistic so they are quite happy to have me for a roommate/landlord and we get along great. The fact that they know about psychopaths and have been through the same grinding mill I have is also a PLUS in that we can support and validate each other and have a pretty good idea what problems each of us has as a result of our experiences. We also have total trust in each other which is an EARNED trust. We are honest with each other and very open about our feelings so I couldn’t ask for a better situation actually and they are here not because they have no where else to go, but because they are comfortable here and we enjoy each other’s company and companionship.
We have all three weeded out anyone from our circle of friends and close associates who are disordered or dysfunctional. It must be a pretty comfortable environment here as their single male friends frequently come here and stay a few days at a time, and even they kick in with helping out around the kitchen, doing dishes, taking out trash, or picking up after dinner.
It is a much more pleasant environment here when I don’t have to “walk on egg shells” or have a continual chaos of someone getting their nose in a snit. In fact, it is down right PEACEFUL
OxD
What Century are you living in? A Family that works together to help each other for the greater Good and Peace.
Hummmm sounds to me that, that is the way it is supose to be!
Awsome! Now if we can expand on that to our community around us and the world. Excellent!
I found this very interesting
http://www.personalgrowthcourses.net/video/elephant_artist_pgc
Thanks Easy/Oxy!
Ox Drover- pw = password. I am permanently logged in on my phone but need to find my pw to get back on the computer.
Also I know you are so right about emotional NC and I have been following that until last night and BOY am I sorry! At least I didn’t make actual contact bc if googling can cause this much pain I can only imagine how far backwards I would fall if I spoke to him. I had that sick feeling wehn I woke up today and I’m guilty and mad at myself for taking a step backwards.
One day at a time I guess.
Googling is a no-no???
I did not know that.
Googling does have some good points, though, if you want to learn about someone that you may become involved with.
I believe that it has actually saved me from getting into an unhealthy relationship a time or two.
One man I met told me he was not a big drinker (because I am not a heavy drinker).
Anyway, I googled his name, and he had just gotten a DWI a few months prior.
I guess it slipped his mind to tell me that he was not even supposed to be driving.
Obviously, I had to nip that one at the bud. 🙁
The search for love continues…..It’s a jungle out there.
Rosa, I meant Googling to find out what your x-psychopath is doing (unless you think they are a threat) just “keeping up” with them on face book and looking at pictures of their new girlfriend, etc. IS A NO NO!! It is breaking NC in reality because you are INTERACTING with them even if they don’t know it…it is almost emotionally like stalking them (for you) and won’t make you feel better, but bad.
Googling to find out about someone new in your life is GOOD SENSE! You did a great job in finding out about that creep, and you are right, IT IS A JUNGLE OUT THERE!!!!
Easy,
Yea, we are living in the Twighlilght Zone here, very ODD folks we are. LOL
Easy:) Interesting link.
Right early on when I met the S/P, he took the time to tell me that his soon to be ‘ex-wife’ had been a waitress and had used the experience as an anthropological study in which she had learnt that she could make anyone do what ever she wanted by subtle manipulation. It was a shocking idea to the babe in the woods that was me and I remember thinking “god! she must be awful! what kind of person is she…oh you poor guy” but I also clearly recall a strange slight smile as he read my reaction and a weird twinkle in his eye that I didnt understand… he then proceeded to manipulate me in the most disgusting fashion… why do they drop these giant hints in the mix which could blow their cover? Does it add to the excitement or is it just another way of gauging how dupable you are… to head you off at the pass with the ‘truth’.
People ARE easily duped by these creeps, even if, like you they can see the world view, and how the media for example use us all, recently the death of lady Di, and Michael jackson had people behaving like cavemen… mob rule and lynch mobs… we the masses are so easily played, but we don’t expect our every day people, they people we know, we love to be secretly trying to control minds like little cartoon diabolical baddies:(
Like I said – a Hermitage is the only way forward!;)
Tilly:) glad I gave you a chucklexx
blueskies:
We are the butterflies and the psychopath pulled our wings off but they are fast growing back (with P antenaae on the end of them!) yay to EVOLUTION! lol!
Hi Done
Missed you, glad you got your password back. I printed and still carry around a message you wrote to me back in June right after the S contacted me on the anniversary of our trip in 2008. I’m proud to say I have been NC for 9 weeks now-since that contact.
However, for some reason,last night (we must be on the same wavelength) I looked on his e-bay account- this is where he sells the stuff he buys at car shows- but also where he and I used to communicate back and forth. Even though I did not actually contact him, I still got a feeling in the pit of my stomach just by pulling up his e-bay account.
I realized at that moment how he still has a hold on me too.- and I’m sure he doesn’t give me the slightest thought.
Know that many of us are going through the same stuff as you. Good to hear from you.