I write this column (using “he” throughout, for simplicity purposes) to suggest some useful ideas for vetting a prospective provider who does not come recommended through a reliable source (or through Donna Anderson’s growing new LoveFraud referral base).
How can you begin to assess a relatively unknown provider for his competence to address your experiences with a suspected sociopath specifically, exploiter in general, or otherwise personality-disturbed individual?
Let me start by suggesting that a provider who claims to be educated about sociopathy really isn’t if he lacks an equally fluent understanding of narcissistic and borderline personality disorder.
The reason I say this is that, under certain circumstances, all three disorders can look very much alike; but more importantly, if you are involved with someone who has any one of these disorders, you are at heightened risk of being personally violated and abused.
So, while they are distinct from each other (although common elements of narcissism and sociopathy remain intriguing), I’m suggesting that all three disorders greatly increase the probable, if not certain, occurrence of interpersonal violation.
In the course of this discussion, I’m going to assume that you may be involved with someone (or have been involved with someone) whom you suspect (or know) to be, for instance, sociopathic and/or abusive? Otherwise you wouldn’t be seeking assurances that a particular provider has knowledge and/or expertise of the disorder(s) in question.
I also make the assumption that LoveFraud members or visitors wanting to find a knowledgeable resource on sociopathy (who do not find assistance through Donna’s new referral resource) come with a nice advantage—by virtue of their involvement with LoveFraud, they are already extra knowledgeable on the subject. This equips them to be astute evaluators of a prospective resource.
So let’s get down to business.
You will need, no surprise, to ask questions; questions that can gauge the provider’s competency to appreciate the gravity of a situation in which a sociopathic (or some other exploitative dynamic) is, or has been, present.
And you will want good, expressive answers to your questions, not dismissive ones.
The first, vital task is to assess the provider’s receptivity to your interest in his clinical experience. This point needs emphasis: You are entitled to evaluate the provider’s clinical experience and expertise as it pertains to your circumstances.
I stress: You are completely, utterly entitled to assess the provider’s professional experience, skills, and interest on matters relevant to your personal circumstances and self-interest.
Remember, this is not about protecting the provider; it’s about protecting yourself.
As such, this speaks to a bigger issue: You are setting yourself up if you do not protect yourself, and so you protect yourself by owning your right to a completely respectful, receptive invitation to evaluate the provider’s scope of interest and competence with a given client population, or in a particular clinical area. Anything less than a genuine, undefensive invitation from the provider to proceed with your questions should immediately disqualify him from consideration.
So for instance, you might begin with something like, “You know, it’s very important to me, given my circumstances, to be working with someone I can feel confident has a really good knowledge of _________. Would you mind if I asked you several questions along those lines, for my own personal comfort?” (There are many ways to break the ice, this is just one example.)
Remember: A provider who fails, at this point, to invite you to proceed, undefensively, has disqualified himself. Thus, if he responds impatiently, arrogantly, angrily, curtly, condescendingly, as if offended or put-off, or in any other way inadequately, he is wrong for you. You must move on, because you deserve better.
Assuming you’ve gotten the proper encouragement to proceed, I offer below a list of questions (hardly comprehensive) which, depending on your circumstances, can elicit meaningful information. The idea (quite obviously) isn’t to ask all of these questions, but to pursue several that are most applicable to your situation.
This list is by no means complete; rather, it’s at best a starting point, if only to get your own wheels rolling to come up with even better questions! Note that some of the questions probe for knowledge, others for personal views and biases, and others for experience. The asterisked questions can sometimes elicit responses that will enable you to quickly eliminate potential resources.
· How familiar are you with sociopathy?
· How familiar are you with psychopathy?
· Do you distinguish sociopathy and psychopathy, or are we using these terms to mean the same thing?
· Do you distinguish antisocial personality disorder from sociopathy or psychopathy?
· How many cases have you worked involving sociopathy?
· Can I ask how you came to work with these individuals?
· What is your treatment philosophy regarding sociopathically disturbed individuals?
· I’m curious how you view sociopathy? I know that many people have different ideas about sociopaths. Can you tell me your view of what characterizes the sociopath?
· How do you distinguish, if at all, the sociopath from the narcissistic personality?
· What’s been your experience working with borderline personality disturbance?
· In your experience, what are similarities and differences between borderline, narcissistic and sociopathically disordered individuals?
· How much experience have you had working with abusive individuals?
· Can you tell me a little about the history of your interest, and experience working, with abusive personalities?
· *How effective and appropriate, in your experience, are anger management referrals for abusive personalities?
· How much interest, and experience, have you had working with victims of abuse?
· What is your view of what constitutes abuse in a relationship?
· What are your goals in working with someone who is in, or has been damaged by, an abusive relationship?
· *Are there circumstances where someone might be driven, legitimately, to abuse someone else?
· Do you mind if I ask you whose work or writings on abusive relationships and abusive personalities has most influenced your views?
· Do you mind if I ask you whose work on the subject of psychopathy (or sociopathy) has most influenced your ideas?
· *Are you familiar with Robert Hare’s work?
· *Have you successfully treated sociopaths?
· My partner, if you meet him, will tell you that I’m a sociopath”¦how will you know which of us, if either, is the sociopath?
· Are you familiar with any psychological instruments that assess for psychopathy, and if so, do you use them?
· *Under what conditions, if any, would you be hesitant to do couples therapy?
· What goals do you have, generally, when working with a borderline personality?
· What goals do you have, generally, when working with a narcissistic personality?
· What is your understanding of the central feature(s) of sociopathy?
· What is your understanding of the central feature(s) of the narcissist?
· Would you be willing to read something I’d give you if I felt it could help you understand the precidament/situation/personality I’m dealing with?
· When you believe you are dealing clinically with a sociopathic individual, what is your clinical goal?
The answers to your questions
As I’ve strongly suggested, the provider’s responses, first of all, should convey interest in, and respect for, your questions. Your first assessment, then, is less of the provider’s expertise and knowledge, than his or her attitude to your questions.
As a matter of fact, a primary purpose of your questions is to assess the attitude of the provider. In other words, if the provider isn’t temperamentally suited to appreciate the complexity of your concerns, he or she can have all the knowledge in the world and be pretty much worthless.
You’ll want honest answers. Genuine answers. Not pretenses to expertise where there isn’t any. You’ll want a provider who is willing to say, “That’s an interesting question. I might even need to think about that a bit more.”
I offer randomly some rough examples (from countless possibilities) of what might be deemed encouraging responses to some of these questions:
“To be honest, no”¦I haven’t worked with what I’d call a high volume of ________; but I do feel comfortable with my understanding of this clinical issue, and I’d like to be of help to you.”
“I consider myself to be clinically literate on this subject, but I’m happy to become even more enlightened and would welcome anything you have to share with me to get me up to speed.”
“I wouldn’t say that I have a particular interest working with _______, but I do like working with and helping those who have been victimized by ________(s).”
“I suppose I’d regard ______as a very central feature of _______. Also ______.”
“I don’t really make a distinction between antisocial personality and the sociopath? As a matter of fact, I wasn’t even aware of such a distinction? But I’m curious about that? Am I missing something?”
“I’ve worked a great deal with victims of abuse and enjoy working with this client population.”
“I’m not familiar with that issue, to be honest” (depending on the circumstances, this doesn’t necessarily have to be a disqualification).
“I can’t say that I’ve had great success working with narcissistic personalities”¦but I’ll work with anyone who voluntarily seeks my help genuinely.”
“I’m not sure if I satisfied you with my response?”
These hypothetical replies have in common a thoughtful, humble, curious quality. The confident provider will feel relaxed, undefensive, and unpressured to produce brilliant, comprehensive answers beyond his or her scope of expertise.
At the same time, you are looking for evidence of expertise that will leave you feeling comfortable that this is someone who can effectively, sensitively advocate for your interests.
Some responses, as noted, can quickly reveal a provider’s serious limitations.
For instance, the response to the question, Have you successfully treated any sociopaths?, “Yes”¦I’ve worked with many sociopaths and treated several very successfully,” is a great time-saver. You just say, “Thanks very much, I’ve really appreciated your time,” and then have a good laugh on your way out.
That’s because true sociopathy, as the LoveFraud community well knows, is a refractory
condition, unamenable to meaningful modification.
Regarding the Hare question: in cases where a provider claims to be experienced with the subject of sociopathy, I might find it dubious (although not necessarily instantly disqualifying) that he or she would have no knowledge of Robert Hare, who is such a notable figure in psychopathy research.
Similarly, the response to the question, Under what conditions would you be hesitant to do couples therapy?, “Umm”¦.I can’t really think of any?,” would suggest a potentially serious defect in the provider’s clinical knowledge and/or judgement. That’s because couples therapy is ill-advised under several circumstances, among them when serious abuse is occuring in a relationship, or when one or both partners is sociopathically oriented. (And naturally, non-genuine motivation to work on the relationship would be another contraindication.)
Further, a provider who suggests that, yes, a referral for anger management is probably the best intervention you can offer an abusive personality betrays a likely ignorance of the dynamics of the abuser, who has much more than merely an anger problem.
And it’s self-evident that a provider who can find a basis to justify abuse under any circumstance is probably confusing abuse with, perhaps, self-defense—a failure of understanding that ought to send you running for the hills.
Bear in mind there is no one right way to answer many of these questions; in many cases, there are multiple good (and good-enough) answers which also allow for differences in clinical approaches and orientations.
I offer below additional examples (also random, hypothetical) of the kinds of responses that might reflect a reassuring level of clinical expertise:
“What do I see as the central feature of sociopathy? I see the sociopath as someone who is extremely, chronically manipulative and deceptive. Someone who lacks empathy in a very gross way for the victims of his or her exploitation.”
“I see what you mean”¦.you can have a borderline personality disorder doing something, say, really vengeful that might look very sociopathic, but the motive for the aggression would be different. The borderline personality might be motivated by rage, panic, or desperation over, say, abandonment issues, whereas the sociopath? He or she may be movitated by”¦the impulse?”¦pure greed”¦or even the fun of it?”
“If I have good reason to believe I’m dealing with a sociopath, my main goal becomes evaluating his or her risk to others”¦depending, of course, on the circumstances of the referral and case.”
“If I’m working with someone with borderline personality, I’m looking to help that individual, among other things, learn how to better regulate his or her emotions, which may be very dysregulated and for that reason a source of much distress.”
“If I’m working with a narcissistic personality disorder, I’m looking, over time, to help that individual, if possible, examine his demands and expectations of others—his inflated sense of entitlement—more thoughtfully; and also examine the ways that he routinely handles, or mishandles, his disappointment in others.”
“When I’m working with abusive individuals my goal is to confront their excuses and rationalizations for their violating behaviors.”
“When I’m working with victims of abuse I may have several goals, including safety concerns; also exploring how the client finds herself in an abusive relationship, and the factors that make it difficult for her (or him) to leave that relationship.”
“How will I know which of you is the sociopath? I think in any clinical situation, you rely on a number of factors in formulating possible diagnoses, including your instincts, your experience of the individuals, the client’s history (as furnished by the client and others), other relevant, available, supporting documentation; and any adjunctive testing and evaluations that can narrow down, if necessary, a suspected diagnosis more accurately? And so there’s no guarantee that I’ll get it right, but I’m pretty confident of my chances.”
In sum, you’ll want assurances that the provider, at a minimum, can recognize the central aspects of sociopathy (or the disorder in question); he or she should appreciate the futility of pursuing treatment with the sociopath, especially in a private practice setting; but most importantly, the provider should be able to convey a good clinical grasp of, and history of work with, abusive personalities and their victims.
You will know, intuitively, whether the provider’s responses indicate an adequate level of thoughtfulness and knowledge.
And remember, your initial assessment doesn’t end when you choose to begin a working relationship with a particular provider, anymore than you cease evaluating the individual with whom you enter a personal relationship. Your evaluation should be ongoing, and your continued investment in the relationship, whether with a professional resource, or intimate partner, should be based on a continuing evaluation of him or her as worthy of your time and trust.
You can say at any point along the way, This person is not right for me. Just because I sized this person/provider up initially (with necessarily incomplete information) as worth my initial investment, doesn’t mean I can’t modify my assessment of him or her at any time, thanks to my making good use of additional, more complete information!
I hope this offers some guidance for conceptualizing an approach to the evaluation of a relatively unknown prospective provider. I am glad to continue this discussion based on feedback.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Grant: It sounds like we’ve had some similarities in the types of abuse and the effects on us.
In some of my research I’ve come to an understanding that we have “three brains.” If you consider that we have three major neural centers: head, heart and lungs, and gut, then this ‘three-brain” concept makes sense. It also corresponds to the oriental view of the upper, middle, and lower tentiens.
As I’ve observed my reactions and experiences in this process, I’ve come to acknowledge that I was conned, if you will, in all three brains. My head may be able to mostly understand. My heart/lung area is congested as if with unshed tears from profound grief, perhaps from sorrow at betraying my core survival by feeling love for this inhuman being. And my gut/body sometimes goes through tremors: fury, rage, horror, panic. You describe getting out of the car with an intense body need for space. I’ve been accepting these inexplicable sensations as just part of the aftershocks of the experience.
Along the way I had a chance to absorb myself in a project: intense, detailed editing of a book that described litigation against pharmaceutical companies on behalf of babies with birth defects. I know the “Chicago Manual of Style,” and was editing to those academic standards along with making the story more readable. Unfortunately, I was working for one-person “publishing company” run by another P. At least I was absorbed for awhile. (That experience gives me some sympathy for Wini’s workplace epic.)
When I step into my “higher self” awareness of our society right now, I see that many of us will be re-inventing ourselves. I just happen to be a little ahead of the wave. Thank you for the encouragement.
Healing Heart…..
Your 12:26 P.M. post couldn’t be more accurate. Perfectly stated!
I hope you are saving your posts in a file to use in the future for teaching workshops for therapists!
I mentioned having several friends who are counselors. One is a grief counselor and of all of them, she is the most sensitive and understanding of traumatic experiences. She got into grief work following the shocking accidental death of her oldest child, and because of her frustrating experiences with professionals during her own efforts to recover. Now she has a full practice with a waiting list. She also gives workshops for therapists and includes coaching about what not to say! Don’t say…..”At least you have other children.” She has a long list of similar quotes said to her by therapists!
As I read posts such as Rune’s, I wonder if a deep grief reaction over what has been lost is also a part of the trauma for many. The task of pulling out of a downward spiral when we already feel we are on our face in the ditch is monumental and overwhelming. Having the wrong therapist add to the confusion becomes shocking and can increase the sense of personal devastation since these people hang out their shingles as experts and charge accordingly by the hour! I think relating (not bemoaning!) and discussing our experiences and our feelings helps clarify a legitimate problem experienced by many.
Yes, I think that need for space was symbolic. Also, the need for air, and the sense that I may stop breathing. Like a physical sense of dying, as I was dying emotionally. Drowning, suffocating, nauseated. I relate to your ‘panic’, because the experience was life-threatening, just in slow motion.
Julia Cameron states that creativity flourishes in a place of safety and acceptance. I think the same is true of healing.
The more I read of everyone’s experiences with their therapist … the more I realize (as I did when I met with them) was how lucky I was finding the two that helped me in my time of need. Not only were they intelligent, but their compassion was/is beyond words.
I think compassion from a therapist is the major key to an individual healing from any horrific experience. Not judging, just listening, guiding, encouraging their patients as they heal.
The two I worked with had my trust. Trust in your therapist is another major key for their knowledge to work for and with you.
May I add one more observation … both my therapist were HUMBLE individuals.
Peace.
So why can’t you just GET OVER IT!!! And for all of you lovely people who had a gut-clench reaction to those words, my heartfelt thanks for your understanding.
Eye: What I need most right now is my creativity to problem-solve — both about my situation and about my healing. Thank you for your most understanding observation.
Having lived through the storm, you have another dimension of insight, which lends grace to your thoughts.
Yes, if I had just a little time to breathe, to gain a sense of the larger picture, to present my requests without my abject desperation . . .
But I’m compromised, struggling to get above water every 20 seconds or so to catch a breath so I don’t drown . . . and dealing with the judgmental disbelief of professionals is, as Matt said, water on a drowning man.
This is not to “dis” Steve’s perspective, but to enlarge . . . to say, “Yes, . . . and . . .” and provide these additional perspectives.
Rune:
I can empathize. Coming up dry when you’re desperately trying to solve problems is the worst feeling. In my case I keep thinking something along the lines of “what the hell is wrong with me? I’m a smart man. Why can’t I come up with an answer?”
Eyeofthestorm:
I think you’re onto something with the deep grief reaction. If they died, we’d have a funeral and commence our mourning. If it were a normal breakup or divorce, we’d lick our wounds, then get on with our lives.
But, what the end of a relationship with a sociopath is something entirely different. A friend of mine, and other bloggers on LoveFraud talk about mourning the death of the dream.
I think we’re not only mourning the death of the dream, we’re mourning the death of ourselves in these relationships. Because we sacrificed ourselves in our relationship with a sociopath.
Unlike a death or even a normal divorce or breakup where you can look beyond your pain and remember some good times, when a relationship with a sociopath ends, you don’t even have that comfort because it was all a lie.
Yes, even the death of my trust in my own “instinct” about who a person truly is . . . the death of my trusting relationship with myself.
Good Morning every one. I think this is a painful topic in so many ways – and obviously we all have strong feelings about it. Even Steve’s posts seem to have a bit of an angry edge to them. Or, at least that’s my perception. I think we are frustrating him and he doesn’t understand why we won’t fully endorse his perspective. I can imagine why he feels that way (if he does), because everything he says makes sense logically. But so many of us have had experiences that are counter to what he speaks. It feels pretty bad to put your experience, and subsequent hypotheses on this blog, and to be told that you are “silly.” It’s what we call a “parallel process.” While we are speaking about our experiences of having our problems dismissed, denied, refuted, by a professional, we are actually having this happen on this blog. At LF – our haven! Our sanctuary!
I think, theoretically and locially, Steve, and BloggerT, and whomever else endorsed the “there are plenty of therapists who are sufficiently experienced and trained with trauma and exploitive relationships out there to help you” are “correct” in many ways. If this were an exam or a debate, they would “win.” But so many of have had experiences counter to their premise, that clearly it is flawed. I think it was Rune who said earlier that maybe the argument is 98% flawed…and unfortunately we are in the tiny 2% of the population that is negatively impacted by the flaw.
For my part, I know I have overstated things at time – as has just about every one. It’s just our nature when we feel strongly about something and it doesn’t seem like people are easily agreeing with us – to our bewilderment. I think we should just accept, as people have said, without sweeping generalizations, that the mental health field has disappointed many of us in our quest for health.
Also, to all the most recent posts – my experience is that this IS a grieving process. Actually, the psychiatrist that I met with to talk about sleep meds in the fall talked to me about this in terms of all significant relationships ending (not just these types of relationships) and it was really helpful and resonated with me. Subsequently I did a lot of research (this is my nature), and found a lot of support for this. And, I think (here’s my opinion) that this is like grief on steroids. Or grief on acid, more like it. It’s grief that is distorted and amplified by the WTF quality of the relationship – and the emotional rape of the relationship which adds a really violent injury feel to the grief.
I’m glad we’re all here. I think this is a great healing place. I think debates our good – but we need to be careful with each other. I think one of the best things about this site is the unequivocal compassion and support we usually show each other.
Earlier I said that a certain statement was “my opinion.” All of this blog is my opinion.