By Sarah Strudwick
Sarah Strudwick, based in the UK, is author of Dark Souls—Healing and recovering from toxic relationships.
For the three years since I broke up with the psychopathic ex I have remained single. I’ve met a few wannabe boyfriends, but unfortunately they have turned out to be disordered, so I never took it past the going for a coffee stage. Like many other victims, I’ve focused on my own recovery and have even written a couple of books on it to help other women.
During the time I was dating this man, whom I call “Oliver” in the book, I was also friends with another man. We had met long before on a dating site but never consummated the relationship (i.e. had sex), and had just stayed in contact as friends. There was just something I didn’t feel comfortable with.
Every time I was single or on a breakup from the psychopathic ex, this man (We’ll call him “Lurch” for want of a better word) would miraculously appear out of nowhere and try and rekindle our friendship. In the past he declared his undying love for me, but has a long history of failed relationships with women and an even longer track record of past drug abuse.
The last time we spoke was about three years ago when he tried to rekindle the relationship. I told him to go and sort himself out and got a long email from him saying he was planning on getting off the weed, stopping drinking and was going to move overseas and become a teacher after he finished his university degree.
Apart from a brief couple of emails from him, where he bragged about this new relationship he was in and how “sorted” he was, I’ve not really heard from him and have avoided all contact. Up until now ”¦
They always turn up again like a bad penny
Just before Xmas, Lurch contacted me saying he was returning from overseas and that he had been on many temple retreats and “sorted” his head. He said he had stopped drinking and was no longer smoking pot, and had had this epiphany moment where he realised he wanted to stop being an “asshole” and a “bastard” and settle down.
I know that people can change. Despite bumping into a few disordered people over the last couple of years, there was a big part of me that didn’t want to end up as cynical old woman who thought all men were either psychopathic or had some kind of character disturbance.
Lurch is a very charming character. He’s funny, somewhat sarcastic and intelligent, but at the same time he has lots of “issues,” all of which he had promised he’d sorted out.
Lurch sent me an email saying he wanted to meet me over Xmas and New Year and start a relationship. In my efforts not to be this horrible old cynical cow, I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and meet up with him, albeit it very tentatively.
The big meeting
The night before he was on the telephone saying how much he was looking forward to coming up the following day. Lurch said he had originally planned to come early. He was planning on visiting two women he had known from about 15 years earlier, and was going to spend New Year with them and a bunch of other friends.
The morning he was meant to come up I received a text message saying he wasn’t going to leave until I texted my postcode. I was surprised that he hadn’t even got in the car at this point and so I called him, apologising for not answering his text sooner. He said he would jump in the shower and be there as soon as possible.
Six hours later he finally arrived.
Red Flag One — Putting others down
He explained that he had planned on seeing this other friend, but that she had “blown him out.” That’s a British colloquial term for being stood up. He said that he was delighted that she had blown him out because it meant he didn’t have to fork out for a ton of petrol money. He also talked about another one of his ex-girlfriends saying she was crazy. He compared to having sex with another one as “shagging a wet fish.” He also talked about another girl whom he had met overseas and said “she was boring as f**k, I felt like a walking dictionary.” The final insult came when he talked about another woman saying, “She has the biggest Konk (nose) on her he has ever seen.” He described his sister as a “flying mattress.”
Red Flag Two – Stalking
I have two brothers, and I have been estranged from my eldest brother for a number of years, after having therapy and realising that he’s not so healthy. Lurch explained that he had asked my brother to build a website for him. Lurch then went onto to say that my brother managed to rip him off for thousands of pounds by building a website that was no good. I asked to see the evidence, and was surprised that he was actually telling the truth for once. I was also surprised that he had got my brother to do the site, out of the thousands of people whom he could have contacted.
He then went on to say that he had gone to “great lengths” to try and track me down, because my phone number had been changed. He also mentioned how jealous he was when I was going out with the pathological ex.
Red Flag Three — Gut Feeling kicks in
During the five years I was with Oliver, I suffered from extreme cluster migraines. Now I have stopped taking the prescription pills I was put on for nearly 5 years, and very occasionally have a migraine. That evening my head started to spin and I could also feel this very big knot in my stomach, but couldn’t understand why.
After talking about my brother I decided to call my younger brother, who I still have contact with. Having grown up with pathology in the family, both of us had had tons of therapy and share our new found knowledge if we get a sense that something is wrong. After explaining to him what our older brother had done to Lurch, he suggested we both come round and see him.
Red Flag Four — Bragging, putting other people down, objectification and more stalking behaviour
The moment Lurch met my brother and his girlfriend, he started bragging about all of his accomplishments. My brother asked him what he did overseas, and he explained that he was fed up of being with people from Korea. He said he just did the job for the money and hated every day of it. He liked to “take the piss” out of the students who didn’t understand what he was saying because they couldn’t understand English properly. He then went on to “brag” about how he used to be a bastard and a nasty piece of work, but how sorted he was because he no longer took coke, ecstasy and pills. He said he only drank occasionally, but bragged about what a good laugh he was when he was pissed up (drunk) and how everyone liked him.
When my brother asked him why he hadn’t confronted our eldest brother about ripping him off for a bad website, his reply was, “In the old days I would have gone round and bashed his head in with a baseball bat” but “I’ve done enough work on myself and lots of temple retreats to calm my anger.”
When he pulled out his laptop to show my brother all the invoices for the payments he made, I was shocked to see that his screen saver was a somewhat saucy photograph of me! At which point he hurriedly tried to hide it, but was laughing. I asked him where he had found that picture of me and he said, “It’s amazing what stuff you can find on the internet.”
Red Flag Five — The flattery, projection and love bombing
We arranged to go and have a meal. On the way we collected his bags from his car, as he planned on leaving that night to stay with friends. He gave me a box of Thornton’s chocolates (unwrapped), which in hindsight, was probably meant for the woman who had “blown him out.” He described my eldest brother, who had ripped him off, as being an “oxygen thief.” This was kind of interesting, considering how Lurch behaved with others. Lurch again reiterated how tired he was of being around people that lied to him.
On arrival at the restaurant, he kept saying how wonderful it was to see me again. How he missed my upbeat, fun personality, and that he had never laughed as much as that in nearly three years.
Red Flag six — The deer in the headlights
It was this point, I had what can only be described as a “deer in the headlights” moment. Although I knew something was clearly wrong long before the dinner, and I wanted to run, I felt frozen and couldn’t move. Coming from a childhood background of sexual abuse, I’ve discussed this a lot in therapy. Many targets want to do “something,” but feel powerless. After suggesting it was time to go home we left the restaurant and he went onto his other engagements.
Red Flag seven — Love Bombing and mirroring
That night I couldn’t sleep, and left my mobile in the kitchen overnight. The following morning I awoke to six or seven texts that said, “Anyway you are still ravishing, very sexy, but most of all you still have your hot wonderful personality which I have missed badly.” Then a load more texts including how he wanted to “give me long hot slow sensual massages and how much his ex hated having them and how he hoped I liked having massages.” He then sent texts saying how alike we were. I mentioned I hadn’t slept well the night before because of restless legs and snoring, and he called us a “perfect match.”
Red Flag Eight — Ignoring, shifting the goal posts, minimizing, the silent treatment, devalue and discard
I texted him the following day, asking what time was he planning on coming and he replied with a question. A few hours later, after no response, the same thing happened. He said he would be coming in the evening of the 1st, although previously he said he was coming in the morning. He wouldn’t respond to any calls, at which point my gut feeling said run away as quickly as possible.
My brother called me up on New Years Day and I told him that I’d felt uncomfortable around Lurch. I asked him if he thought I might be imagining it. His response was that both he and his girlfriend felt very uncomfortable around him. He described Lurch as cocky, arrogant and full of himself, and both he and his girlfriend were “creeped out” by him and he thought he was dangerous.
More silent treatment continued and I finally plucked up the courage to tell him I didn’t feel comfortable seeing him again. To which I got a final childish message back saying, “bye, your loss, bye,” then another saying “You fucked it up. You need to heal more and do a temple stay.”
Red Flag Nine — Devalue and Disregard, Grandiosity, Rendering me Silent, Crazy Making
The next day I was surprised to get yet another text from him, as if nothing had happened!
There was no apology, no explaining why he couldn’t answer his phone for two days to firm up our plans. The text said he “hadn’t left yet and could drop by and see me on his way back down south.” At this point I called him. No answer. No response.
He finally answered his phone and I expressed concerns about his behaviour, using the silent treatment and so on. He listened with the utmost calm. There was no apology, no concern that I had been upset and in fact at one point he laughed at me and put me on speakerphone. I realised that there was no point in getting angry or upset. He wanted me to act upset so his friends could see that I was the crazy one. He had the same calmness and flat effect my psychopathic ex displayed when called out in a lie. Then he suddenly said, “I’m not talking to you,” and hung up.
During the whole conversation, he called me “Lisa.”
After rendering me silent because he hung up I sent him a text. I said there was no point in seeing him, since he wasn’t prepared to answer his phone. Nor was there any point in discussing anything if he was going to hang up like a five-year-old. I received a whole lot of texts back, which included how much of an “enlightened being he was” was, how he was of a “higher consciousness,” and that I should go and have some therapy about my trust issues. After I calmed down I read back his texts, I realised that much of what he said was complete projection.
At which point I finally found my power again and told him not to contact me and to kindly f*ck off.
He continued to send multiple texts, saying it was my fault because I had “f*cked up,” in between sending other texts saying what a shame because he would “Go to the ends of the earth for me.” I finally received one more text from him, which said, “Wanna last try?” I thought to myself, “Wanna last try at what.” Text ping pong.
Escaping quickly
He had relentlessly pursued me over the last couple of years, finding pictures of me on the internet, sending me multiple emails, and was quite miffed because I was the only woman that had never slept with him. I realised that the “relationshit” that never was, was now over, thankfully.
Although I had a very upset stomach and migraine after all the head games he’d played, I realised that if you have the right tools, it doesn’t have to take years or months after giving someone the benefit of the doubt before you see the light and discover that they are disordered, whatever his label is.
No matter how upset they make you, or however vulnerable you feel in their attempts to disarm you emotionally, it is possible to escape very quickly with minimal harm.
I read that many victims of borderlines end up having long term health problems such as colon disorders and migraines. With a history of Chrohn’s, which stopped after my last relationship, this was firm reminder to listen to my own body whenever my intuition screams run!
For all the flattery, love bombing, mirroring, mind games, gas lighting and silent treatment, it was also a stern reminder at how someone who proclaims they want to be with you can quickly can turn around, to the point where you are discarded like a piece of dog doo.
So on a positive note, remember it’s easy to “speed date a sociopath” by standing back and observing their behaviour. It took me exactly three days to figure it out.
I also learned that, whilst I might still have trust issues, I was thankful to Lurch for stepping in to remind me exactly what I do NOT want in a relationship ever again.
denbroncos007 says:I’ve read so much about how spaths simply can’t change and/or be fixed, so I am petrified that if my spath comes back around that I will fall back into his trap!
I know that is why he has left me alone…in the past he has always given me about a month before he sneaks back in with an apology/sob story that he can’t live without me.
This article is so good, that it should be a CHILDREN’S BOOK! With Slim’s comment as the introduction!
The article is very instructive on the way they operate. As I read it, I actually felt the push and pull of the interaction, the confusion and the guilt for being too judgmental of a man who was so obviously trying to “connect”.
Only my knowledge of the red flags revealed that he was a snake. Obviously the reason he couldn’t show up on time was because he had several other victims set up and he was trying to juggle them all at once.
It would make a great children’s book because it’s short and to the point and I think it makes an impact on the gut, which children need to learn to trust. It just needs a little tweaking to make it more child friendly.
Hi Daisy
Hope you’re having a good Sunday! What’s good for me is that i don’t have a FB page – I did, but I got rid of it when I first got together w/ my spath (per his request) and I have never reactivated it again – he doesn’t have any social media outlets, that I know of, so I am not sure he would be “cyber stalking” me – lol! Thank goodness!
I haven’t heard from him and honestly, the way I feel today, I feel confident I won’t hear from him again – but because of the way things ended between him and I; there’s just a lurking feeling I have that I haven’t heard the last of him. I have nothing nice to say to him and if he did reach out to me I would instantly want to tell him off – but hope I have the strength at that time to just ignore him……I honestly dont even want to crack open the door and give him any bit of acknowledgement. He doesn’t deserve it, not after everything he put me through — still can’t help but wonder……but not losing any sleep over it though!
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Mine too was a “speed dating” experience, although a bit longer. While, it was after just three days that I first saw signs of sociopathic behavior, I saw certain red flags almost from the first moment we met.
Day 1 – I meet the x-spath at a gay club — I noticed him looking at me from across the room and went over and introduced myself. He was polite, charming and British, but a flight attendant. However, he had no signs of “capmness” and spoke very intelligently. When I asked him why he was a flight attendant, he told me that he was only doing it for a few years so he could travel more extensively. Then he told me he would go back to a white collar job.
He went outside for a cigarette, a personal red flag for me that I chided him about. Of course he told me he had quit and only recently started again and knew that was a “mistake.” So, almost from the start, you see his mirroring behavior.
Day 2 – I go out with the x-spath and two of his friends to a couple of gay bars. In the course of one conversation, I was concerned when he called his best friend a “c*nt” and told me that this guy was in a long-term relationship with a former boyfriend but he was not talking to the former boyfriend. When I asked the x-spath about his most recent dating experiences, all he told me was that earlier in the year he was dating this one guy but that the x-spath ended the relationship because this guy was “never seemed able to find time for me.” Here, you see the x-spath putting other people down, holding grudges and Narcissism.
However, he later turned on the charm and employed almost word-for-word mirroring when I discussed my goals and what I was looking for in a person. I did not want to impose too much on him and his friends. I asked the x-spath if he wanted to join me for dinner the next night. He said yes and I hopped in a taxi.
Before I got home, he texted me that he was very excited to be going to dinner the next night with me…
Day 3 – I take the x-spath to a famous French restaurant in Manhattan. The entire time was fun and I was beginning to think that this guy was for real. I asked him if he wanted to go back to my place for a beer and he became insulted and walked out of the restaurant on me. Outside, he told me “you offended my British reservedness by asking me back to your flat” and that he was “sorted” and “not that kind of guy…”
I apologized, saying that he misunderstood my intentions. He suggested that we just go to a pub instead. That we did and after a bit more damage control on my part, he was acting more like he didi earlier in the evening. When he got into a taxi to go back to his hotel, I remember thinking to myself that while he was charming, he was trouble and had some issues…
The next day, we exchanged some text messages and he seemed cold to me. A far cry from the night before when he told me that very excited to be going to dinner with me. He went back to London, and to my credit I told myself I would not contract him again. And I did not.
However, after not hearing from him for two days, he began “text bombing” me — very complementary, very flattering. He even said he needs to me more open like me…
So, my gut was right. He would soon very much prove to be trouble. And troubled…
Hi Oxy! From what I’ve read on BPD websites, the term for people who return time and time again is “hoovering” (i.e., sucking you back in). I used to have the “three red flags and you’re out!” rule. Now it’s down to 2…or even 1, depending on the severity of the red flag. Perhaps it’s like a pendulum, originally I didn’t have firm boundaries, now my boundaries are VERY firm and I may even be hypervigilant. But it’s safer this way!
Peggywoever,
Yea, I’ve heard the term “Hoovering” which is funny since I have a Hoover brand vacuum cleaner for my floors and it SUCKS very well. LOL
My boundaries are pretty FIRM as well…and DISHONESTY of any kind is a ONE STRIKE and you are OUT.
My personal opinion about the “BPD” designation is that it is used many times when “PPD” would be more appropriate so I think the “diagnoses” are BLURRED as to where one starts and the other stops, so much of what is written about BPD and PPD apply to both terms–the returning again and again and the sucking you back in sure applies to both.
Another one is if you are “friends” with my enemy then you are not my friend as well. i.e. if you KNOW that my enemy harmed me, and you continue to be friends with them, then you can not ALSO be My friend. I used to be so “open minded” and to take the “high road” that if you wanted to be friends with someone who had harmed me I didn’t see a problem with that. I might not like it, but I would be “above” requiring that my friends NOT be “friends” with the person who hurt me.
Well, folks, I am NOT that open minded any more, and as for my friends ALSO being friends with my enemy…nah…not so “broad minded” any more at all. LOL
Just like my egg donor sending money to my son in prison after he tried to have me killed….nope, she can’t be “friends” with us both. Just like her wanting him to get out of prison and come live with her here on the farm. Even if he did get out, I can legally put a stop to THAT sheet! He isn’t gonna move here and we all be one big happy family. And if he tries to come here the family reunion won’t be happy either.
The guy I dated before the x-spath I believe to have BPB. I am still friendly with his best friend and when talking about my x-BPD, he described him as “empty” and “always searching for somebody.”
Both Spaths and BPDs tend to latch on to people, but for different reasons. The Spath will do so for one or more of the big three reasons: sex, power/control or money. Spaths intentionally use people for the moment and have no trouble manipulating multiple victims.
BPDs latch on to people whom they genuinely think could be a soulmate. They will stay with that person until they meet a better soulmate.
BPDs are very susceptible to manipulation; Spaths are not. Since they have empathy and are emotional, BPDs have great difficulty ending relationships, even when they are the terminating partner. Spaths will end relationships abruptly and without much thought, like turning off a light.
Similarities: both tend to have a history of unstable relationships, both are sexually promiscuous, both tend to substance abuse.
One other major difference is regarding self-harm such as cutting. This is not typically seen in Spaths but is a major, almost defining trait of BPB. However, one could argue that Spath criminality and disregard for laws is a corollary: Spaths harm others, BPDs harm themselves.
BPDs are perfect prey for Spaths. Interestingly, the majority of BPDs are women and the majority of Spaths are men. Of male BPDs, a third to half are either gay or bisexual, perhaps even more…
BBE:
Thanks for this info…very enlightening!
I hope you are doing well. I am excited. I am getting a passport (never had one before) and am hopefully meeting my best friend in beautiful Whistler, Canada next month. Staying at the luxurious Fairmont. I looked it up online…absolutely gorgeous! Hey, it gives me something to look forward to…we who are healing all need something to help us.
Oxy:
I agree with you entirely, the lines between BPD and PPD are very gray indeed, if they exist at all. I have come to believe that BPD does exist as a disorder, however, I believe it is underdiagnosed in males and (perhaps) over-diagnosed in females. I also think that a lot of people who are diagnosed as Bipolar are in fact either BPD or PPD. Furthermore, I have come to believe that up to 20-25% of the population has serious pathological issues, and that frightens me.
That being said, and having dated (or married) several that are BPD, PPD, and/or Narcissistic, for the first time in my life I have chosen not to date (for over a year now). In the past 5 years I have done not only extensive study about these disorders, but some serious heart and soul work of my own (i.e., why have I chosen particular types of men?) I believe it comes back to childhood issues and my comfort zone.
Very firm boundaries these days. Certainly one lie and you’re out (even a small one, like lying about one’s age). Playing the victim is something I watch very carefully as it is sometimes difficult to determine who the victim is. Also…I am VERY wary of charming men, compliments, and people who I perceive as “too nice”.
So glad to see that you are still here offering your sage wisdom and writing your terrific articles, Oxy. You’re the best.
peggywhoever:
Something you just said sparked something for me. You said you are wary of people who are “too nice.” You may have just made me finally realize something about myself. I am genuinely “too nice.” That is just my nature. I am good to people and am nice to people. Sometimes I have noticed that people shy from me…don’t like me and then I get my feelings very hurt because I wonder what in the world did I do?? OMG…perhaps they are shying away from me because for them my personality is a red flag? Very interesting.