I do my best to read all of the comments on lovefraud.com because I think they are a good barometer as to what people are thinking and questioning. One recent theme/question has been the issue of the realm of jerkdom. Just what is a jerk?
Merriam-Webster’s online dictionary defines a jerk as an annoyingly stupid or foolish person b: an unlikable person ; especially one who is cruel, rude, or small-minded. But how would a psychologist approach answering this question?
Psychologists studying personality tend to fall into two categories, with members of the first category being far more numerous. The first category of psychologists is composed of trait psychologists. A trait psychologist is someone who studies personality by looking at traits. Traits are words, primarily adjectives that are used to describe people.
The dictionary says jerks are foolish, unlikeable, rude, cruel and small minded. We might take the process further and ask everyone reading this to list adjectives describing jerks. We would then find jerks and make our own determination as to whether or not the adjectives describe them.
This trait approach is similar to that used to identify sociopaths and narcissists. This process allows us to put people in a category. So with this approach, we could find traits that differentiate between jerks, narcissists an sociopaths. Most of us think of traits when we think about people and personality.
There is another way to look at people and personality that considers motives rather than traits. Although the fundamental motives of love, power and achievement exist in all people there are individual differences in the degree to which these motives rule a person.
A motive psychologist might say that a jerk is someone with too little love motivation and too much power motivation. But then that also describes a sociopath and a narcissist. Aren’t motives after all more basic than traits? If you are interacting with someone, aren’t you most interested in understanding that person’s motives as opposed to observing their traits?
Consider the following letter we received this week:
There are certain things about my daughter-in-law that I just don’t understand. I am not a psychologist so I don’t know for fact what is wrong with her.
She and my son had a rocky relationship before marriage. She was pulling him away from his best friend but was herself going to spend time with the guy after she dropped my son off at work. She played them off of each other until they just went their separate ways. It was always his best friends fault.
This is what truly hurts me….. after she married my son they lived with my husband and I. We worked long hours and came home to a mess. She and my son neither one worked but expected us to clean up after her. She would cook and I was to play maid. When this didn’t go over she belittled me. She asked to talk to me privately. There wasn’t one thing about me she liked. She told me that she was tired of fighting for my sons attention. They moved out to my relief. I took what she said to heart and didn’t contact my son for anything. I left it to him to contact me if he needed me. This hurt him even though I explained I didn’t want to come in between them.
They had a beautiful daughter and she uses her against us at every turn. We have gotten used to it and don’t let her get satisfaction from it any more. She has planted pills on the floor of my mother-in-law’s home to make it look like her home isn’t safe. She has done that scam twice. She has told my other daughter-in-law that she is only with my son because he puts up with things other men wouldn’t. She has admitted to sleeping with other men but made it out to my son that she was made to share a blanket. I am truly worried for my son and his daughter. She is such a good liar. Oh by the way she makes it out as if she is the only person capable of watching my granddaughter. At my grandma’s funeral she became angry with my son for not catching the baby before she put chalk in her mouth. but then she didn’t catch her stick a holly berry in her mouth and that was ok. She was too busy flirting with my son’s cousin who btw is working on his masters”¦
Am I a paranoid mother and grandmother that just needs to continue watching people she loves be hurt? Or is there maybe something to this behavior?
What do you think?
Mine lied, used the over-the-top flattery and broke ALL of the rules. I am trying to not to feel pity for him bc I know that’s what they try to do. But with almost 3 months NC I don’t think he’s going to call so I guess I don’t need to worry about it.
Henry wrote:
” …it is emotionally impossible to simutaneously feel ’pity’ yet suspect ’deceit’ at the same time …”
I would definitely agree with that point. At first, I fell for my ex-S’s story that he’d been done wrong by all these people in his organization (there was a huge financial fall-out); he pinned the blame everywhere else. But eventually, I started to think about it … okay, if he is indeed the “leader” — the boss, so to speak — then the boss should know about everything that goes on. Ultimately, the boss is the responsible party when things go afoul in any sort of business endeavor. If you’re not watching your books, that’s your own mistake.
Pity very quickly went to suspicion … and it was confirmed when I spoke with one of the people he pointed the finger at the most, and got a totally different story from her.
You have to get past the lies first … and *that’s* the tricky part of navigating these particular waters.
It’s hard to get past the lies I agree. He had my mind all twisted. This is part of the reason I think I overanalyze what happened. I just don’t know if anything he ever told me was the truth.
and you never will……………………….tis why at some point we stop analyzing………….it’s pointless
One other thing… does this make sense? I feel MORE pity for him now than I did before I knew what he was. I guess because I just thought it was the usual – “he’ll realize what a good thing he had and after awhile he’ll get his act together.” when in actuality he’s this broken, unfixable person. I in “Women Who Love Psychopaths” that according to research there can be a genetic predispositon for personality disorders. It also mentions children who already have a predisposition to psychopathy genectically and are raide in homes with pathological parents are more likely to develop the disorder.
I’m rambling I know – It’s just that I feel that had he had even a chance at not growing up with not just one but two sociopath parents he may have had some chance. He can never change – unless he really wants to – and to me that’s very sad.
Gemini —
I feel intermittent pity for him, but not much. I won’t feel pity for him until he’s used up all of the good will he has going for him or until he gets into such a tight squeeze that he finally can’t wiggle out of it. Believe me, I secretly am curious about all the IRS stuff that’s been going on in his life — is it that bad? Logically, it could be. He didn’t report a lot of income when I was with him. And I do mean A LOT. I hope to god that I never get drug into that mess … putting it this way, I know way too much than I should.
But mostly I feel contempt and frustration that he’s still getting away with it. I understand now why victims of crimes just do not quit until they get the person who attacked them or raped them behind bars. The thought of them out there just continuing to bilk, cheat, steal, right under the legal boundaries of the law is untenable. The only thing I can hope is that one day he’ll go a little bit too far and screw with the wrong person.
Until then … fingers crossed …
Crossed Fingers!!! What you said, “The only thing I can hope is that one day he’ll go a little bit too far and screw with the wrong person.” I had an interesting conversation today where I mentioned his or other sociopaths ” I don’t care” attitude. In my ex’s case I think he KNOWS not to mess with certain people. (I’m still not entirely convinced his employees aren’t mafia associated) and I know he THINKS he’s big and bad but he’s not going to go down that road with him.
I could have potentially put myself into a bind with his illegal activities – fortunately he has so terrible a follow through (i.e. laziness) nothing he was trying to do materialized.
the irony in this is – when my x moved in with me 3 years ago he had no credit – nothing – when he left? – my credit is now ruined because of the bad choices I made to help him – I will never get credit again -it will take me the rest of my life to dig myself out of the financial mess I am in – creditors dont understand or care that you were under the influence of a spath – I am left with debt and unpaid bills – if someone looked at my credit report they would think I am a sociopath – it was all my fault – but I am left with this – and he is off with good credit and a vehicle and new teeth because of me – I guess I did fix him to some degree.
gemini: the ‘twisted’ feeling is their specialty. and yes, that is why you over-analyze it. there are no answers no matter how hard you search for them.
it took me two months just to pull my jaw up off the ground when i realized just how played i got. and yes, EVERYTHING they say is a lie. everything!!! their capacity to lie is mindboggling. i’ve learned that thinking about it is a lose-lose proposition. they’re sick pods, fallen angels, the devil incarnate.
move on … focus on you. i know how hard it is, and i know how incredibly unbelievable it is to even try to process what they are capable of. all the more reason to learn from the experience and have NO CONTACT!
everytime i thought to call him, to ask him WHY!, to find out if he ever really loved me, i just remembered he’s a twisted, sick, mind-effing, psychopath. take a deep breath. know he’s a lost cause.
and scream …
TOWANDA!!!
A lost cause – yes…….I’m just glad that I realized what he was. Just from randomly picking up a book in the bookstore and seeing one chapter on sociopaths. I couldn’t believe it. Wow! I thought. This is him. The more I read and researched I was further convinced. And then I found this site and I it was like reading me. The things they said, the things they’ve done. I’m not crazy!!!
Thank you for reminding me again the sick pup he is.