I do my best to read all of the comments on lovefraud.com because I think they are a good barometer as to what people are thinking and questioning. One recent theme/question has been the issue of the realm of jerkdom. Just what is a jerk?
Merriam-Webster’s online dictionary defines a jerk as an annoyingly stupid or foolish person b: an unlikable person ; especially one who is cruel, rude, or small-minded. But how would a psychologist approach answering this question?
Psychologists studying personality tend to fall into two categories, with members of the first category being far more numerous. The first category of psychologists is composed of trait psychologists. A trait psychologist is someone who studies personality by looking at traits. Traits are words, primarily adjectives that are used to describe people.
The dictionary says jerks are foolish, unlikeable, rude, cruel and small minded. We might take the process further and ask everyone reading this to list adjectives describing jerks. We would then find jerks and make our own determination as to whether or not the adjectives describe them.
This trait approach is similar to that used to identify sociopaths and narcissists. This process allows us to put people in a category. So with this approach, we could find traits that differentiate between jerks, narcissists an sociopaths. Most of us think of traits when we think about people and personality.
There is another way to look at people and personality that considers motives rather than traits. Although the fundamental motives of love, power and achievement exist in all people there are individual differences in the degree to which these motives rule a person.
A motive psychologist might say that a jerk is someone with too little love motivation and too much power motivation. But then that also describes a sociopath and a narcissist. Aren’t motives after all more basic than traits? If you are interacting with someone, aren’t you most interested in understanding that person’s motives as opposed to observing their traits?
Consider the following letter we received this week:
There are certain things about my daughter-in-law that I just don’t understand. I am not a psychologist so I don’t know for fact what is wrong with her.
She and my son had a rocky relationship before marriage. She was pulling him away from his best friend but was herself going to spend time with the guy after she dropped my son off at work. She played them off of each other until they just went their separate ways. It was always his best friends fault.
This is what truly hurts me….. after she married my son they lived with my husband and I. We worked long hours and came home to a mess. She and my son neither one worked but expected us to clean up after her. She would cook and I was to play maid. When this didn’t go over she belittled me. She asked to talk to me privately. There wasn’t one thing about me she liked. She told me that she was tired of fighting for my sons attention. They moved out to my relief. I took what she said to heart and didn’t contact my son for anything. I left it to him to contact me if he needed me. This hurt him even though I explained I didn’t want to come in between them.
They had a beautiful daughter and she uses her against us at every turn. We have gotten used to it and don’t let her get satisfaction from it any more. She has planted pills on the floor of my mother-in-law’s home to make it look like her home isn’t safe. She has done that scam twice. She has told my other daughter-in-law that she is only with my son because he puts up with things other men wouldn’t. She has admitted to sleeping with other men but made it out to my son that she was made to share a blanket. I am truly worried for my son and his daughter. She is such a good liar. Oh by the way she makes it out as if she is the only person capable of watching my granddaughter. At my grandma’s funeral she became angry with my son for not catching the baby before she put chalk in her mouth. but then she didn’t catch her stick a holly berry in her mouth and that was ok. She was too busy flirting with my son’s cousin who btw is working on his masters”¦
Am I a paranoid mother and grandmother that just needs to continue watching people she loves be hurt? Or is there maybe something to this behavior?
What do you think?
WONDERFUL NEWS!!! I just have to share this, I got a call today that son C is coming HOME TO STAY before Christmas. I knew he was coming home for 10 days at christas, but he called today to say he was coming home to STAY! I am so excited that he feels safe enough to come back home! He will be staying with me a while as his house is rented out right now, but that is wonderful too! My prayers have been answered!
TOWANDA~!!!!
I have read so many different theories on what makes them the way they are. None of it matters to me any more. Every time we pity them for whatever reason, we are letting our guard down so they can try and manipulate us again. The last time I felt pity was after I turned my ex in to the army for adultery and then helped the army catch him in the medical fraud. They told me he was on “suicide watch”. I started thinking about his young daughter whom he claimed to love so much. And I felt sorry for him. I almost withdrew my testimony. Then I remembered the rule of three. Anyone who would deliberately lie three times is most likely a sociopath. If he is a sociopath, he is not capable of loving his daughter or in feeling any remorse for what he’s done to me. Period. No guilt. No remorse. It’s creepy. It really helps me to detach from him to remind myself that, yes, he’s a sociopath.
Oxy,
TOWANDA!!!!
lost:
” … it took me two months just to pull my jaw up off the ground when i realized just how played i got. and yes, EVERYTHING they say is a lie. everything!!! their capacity to lie is mindboggling.”
Oh honey, it took me much longer than *that* to figure it out entirely. It took me probably five or six months. And the only reason why I wasn’t seeing things clearly was because he kept engaging me with him, making me think that he really did “care” on some level. I think that last straw came right before the creepy behavior … he was using my charge card to buy stuff on the Internet, and yet he was involved with someone else — ? Hello — ? Like, did she benefit from what he bought? Did she even KNOW that he was using my credit card?
I think of my ex’s and after we split up, there was just no way I’d do something that disrespectful to them. It didn’t matter if we were at each others’ throats, there’s no way I’d take their money or use their credit cards! It’s just unheard of, in my world …
Dear Unwilling,
QUOTE: “It’s just unheard of, in my world…” That’s the thing, sweetie, we are not from the same universe, much less the SAME WORLD! It’s like a mirror world, everything is REVERSED…lies are good, caring is bad, telling the truth is pointless, honesty is puhished….all REVERSED.
It’s called Backasswards ! :)~
oxy: woohoo! i’m so happy for you!
star: my ex always talked about how much he loved his daughter — she’s his ‘world’ his ‘heart’ etc. never stopped him from cheating on her mother! his son, on the other hand, he ignores and doesn’t pay child support because he’s ‘fat and doesn’t like sports’. really, he only loves his daughter because she is tall and thin and gorgeous. disgusting.
gemini: no, you’re not crazy. THEY are!
unwilling: and that’s exactly why NC is soooo important. i know if i spoke with or saw my ex and let him engage me, i’d probably be back in bed with him in a heartbeat. he can twist me with a glance. that’s what the devil does. and the hell would begin again. i will NEVER let him near me again. he used to steal my nicest jewelry to give to his OW. he denied it to the death, but he’s a liar and my things didn’t just disappear.
anyone seen wini? i need to know my angel!
everyone is doing so well. we are so blessed to be free of the hell of these pod-demons. say a prayer of gratefulness tonite.
TOWANDA!!!!!!
Martha Stout calls a narcissist “half of a sociopath”. That is, they can feel their own emotions, but they have no empathy for others’. Often their difficulties in relationships will draw them to therapy. I have a lot of experience with narcissists. My mother is one, and I just “fired” a narcissistic massage client. But when you have been involved with a sociopath, there is no doubt in your mind. It is not the same.
Ok check this out ?
(it) Was extremely Violent (it’s) catalist was Alcohal did’nt matter beer or booze (it ) drank all there was ,going as far as drinking Rubbing alcahol if I had it in the house I poured this stuff down the toilet in front of (it) that got an Immediate responce of anger ! and Violence. I was literally a prisioner in my own house or where ever I lived !
But (it) was calm and manageable when (it) was on CRACK ????? Weed also calmed (it) Mushrooms had the same effect as did X would it not be IRONIC if this blog and our disscussions Discovered if not a cure but at least a way to Manage the most extreem ones ??? As I have stated before my (it) was No bright one ! Acctually I have said many times (it) was a psyciatrists wet dream ! (it) is so TEXTBOOK it is incredable! I wonder if anyone has had the same exp. Now remember His Ooops (its) behavior to get these drugs was just as extreem (it) would steal my money or change for beer and Steal My truck for trans. to the hood for crack ! I so was brainwashed by (its) power ! Hard to believe now !!! love jere
star: and then, of course, there is the ”joy” of being with a sociopath who is also a malignant narcissist. omg!
the WORST. they drip with arrogance and contempt.