I do my best to read all of the comments on lovefraud.com because I think they are a good barometer as to what people are thinking and questioning. One recent theme/question has been the issue of the realm of jerkdom. Just what is a jerk?
Merriam-Webster’s online dictionary defines a jerk as an annoyingly stupid or foolish person b: an unlikable person ; especially one who is cruel, rude, or small-minded. But how would a psychologist approach answering this question?
Psychologists studying personality tend to fall into two categories, with members of the first category being far more numerous. The first category of psychologists is composed of trait psychologists. A trait psychologist is someone who studies personality by looking at traits. Traits are words, primarily adjectives that are used to describe people.
The dictionary says jerks are foolish, unlikeable, rude, cruel and small minded. We might take the process further and ask everyone reading this to list adjectives describing jerks. We would then find jerks and make our own determination as to whether or not the adjectives describe them.
This trait approach is similar to that used to identify sociopaths and narcissists. This process allows us to put people in a category. So with this approach, we could find traits that differentiate between jerks, narcissists an sociopaths. Most of us think of traits when we think about people and personality.
There is another way to look at people and personality that considers motives rather than traits. Although the fundamental motives of love, power and achievement exist in all people there are individual differences in the degree to which these motives rule a person.
A motive psychologist might say that a jerk is someone with too little love motivation and too much power motivation. But then that also describes a sociopath and a narcissist. Aren’t motives after all more basic than traits? If you are interacting with someone, aren’t you most interested in understanding that person’s motives as opposed to observing their traits?
Consider the following letter we received this week:
There are certain things about my daughter-in-law that I just don’t understand. I am not a psychologist so I don’t know for fact what is wrong with her.
She and my son had a rocky relationship before marriage. She was pulling him away from his best friend but was herself going to spend time with the guy after she dropped my son off at work. She played them off of each other until they just went their separate ways. It was always his best friends fault.
This is what truly hurts me….. after she married my son they lived with my husband and I. We worked long hours and came home to a mess. She and my son neither one worked but expected us to clean up after her. She would cook and I was to play maid. When this didn’t go over she belittled me. She asked to talk to me privately. There wasn’t one thing about me she liked. She told me that she was tired of fighting for my sons attention. They moved out to my relief. I took what she said to heart and didn’t contact my son for anything. I left it to him to contact me if he needed me. This hurt him even though I explained I didn’t want to come in between them.
They had a beautiful daughter and she uses her against us at every turn. We have gotten used to it and don’t let her get satisfaction from it any more. She has planted pills on the floor of my mother-in-law’s home to make it look like her home isn’t safe. She has done that scam twice. She has told my other daughter-in-law that she is only with my son because he puts up with things other men wouldn’t. She has admitted to sleeping with other men but made it out to my son that she was made to share a blanket. I am truly worried for my son and his daughter. She is such a good liar. Oh by the way she makes it out as if she is the only person capable of watching my granddaughter. At my grandma’s funeral she became angry with my son for not catching the baby before she put chalk in her mouth. but then she didn’t catch her stick a holly berry in her mouth and that was ok. She was too busy flirting with my son’s cousin who btw is working on his masters”¦
Am I a paranoid mother and grandmother that just needs to continue watching people she loves be hurt? Or is there maybe something to this behavior?
What do you think?
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Peace.
GABRIEL
Renee, Your son is not alone in having to deal with someone like this. One of my ex’s favorite quotes after (and only after) getting pregnant was “that she could do anything she wanted to me and I’d take her back” knowing how much I love and always wanted children. I’m not sure what you can do for your son while he’s still under her “control”. One thing don’t take anything she tells you to heart. She doesn’t have one and anything she would have believe is more likely to have a manipulative basis. Sociopaths need to isolate their victims for fear that their loved ones may “enlighten” them. You said yourself “you took what she said to heart and hurt your son”. One thing you can do is DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT. Hate to say it but really doesn’t sound like the relationship has much of a future.If the DIL is an “S” and it sounds like she may be.” So many of the same behaviors as mine”. The end is inevitable, either your son will discover that none of this is good for his daughter and try by what ever means (as I have) to save her. Or the DIL will move on to greener (and I’m not talking chlorophyll green) pastures. This is when your son will truly need your help. One thing that has helped alot in my case is audio recording. You have to make sure that it’s legal in your state. In my case my ex had threatened false sex allegations if I ever tried to gain custody of my daughter. Well she tried it and my recordings are probably the only reason I’m not in prison right now. Besides the blackmail documented, my recs are almost as valuble because they show my exs true colors. They are so good at fooling others who don’t know them well enough. Plus I’m sure the psychologist that’s examining my ex as got alot from them. As far as trying to understand them, how they can hurt others to satisfy their own sadistic needs, DON’T BOTHER. Just understand that they do. A few examples (very few) from my ex. Within minutes of learning of my fathers death she told me “She wished I had died instead of him” the following day she took my daughter for about the 20th and last time in one year. But the custody evaluator in my case has recomended that I get custody ( in a very female biased state by the way) and if the judge agrees I will haved saved my daughter. As for you and your son, again, document. Your DIL as with my ex will be the very best witnesses for custody change. Best of luck and keep learning, didn’t want this education but we got it!
Renee, an additional thought and I know it sounds paranoid but with what I’ve been through I consider it a “well justified paranoia” . Is that if you can somehow catch her trying her “pill trick” trick again on video where a child could be endangered by her. Would be a large step to safe-guard loved ones and your grandaughter. Again, Best of Luck.
Renee, Hardlesson’s advice on documenting and tape recording is right on target. You may need those tapes some day as proof. BTW, Hardlesson, they can be quite cruel, can’t they! My brother had a lengthy terminal illness and my ex P told me (when I first found out and was upset), “Get over it. Everybody dies.” Then a few weeks later he told me when he was mad at me “Your Mother hates you. Even your sisters hate you. I can see it in their eyes. They all wish it was YOU that was dying instead.”
I decided to get those tapes out and listen to them the other day. It was somewhat amazing to listen to them NOW, while my mind is clear and I can be more objective and not caught up in the fog of his manipulations. The manipulations, contradictions often all in one voicemail, and the flip flopping from curel stuff, to 5 minutes later begging and I love yous and I’m sorrys, then 5 minutes later to the next one of making it all my fault and telling me what a cold hearted b**** I am (apparently he forgot the i love u and i’m sorry stuff from 5 minutes earlier), to a vm 5 minutes later full of extremely cruel stuff, to threatening stuff, just flip flopping and manipulations all over the place……….just truly NUTZS!!!! type stuff. My vm’s span a years time period and I’m very glad I kept them.
The advice to “document” is very very good. You can buy hideable “nanny cams” tht are quite cheep and easily hidden and they record video. You might hve to go so far as to set one up in every room she would have access to in your mom’s home at a holiday but she seems to “like” that trick and if you could get it on tape you would have her NAILED TO THE FLOOR.
As for it being legal, I would check to make sure it was admissable in court in your state but I would personally do it legal or not just for some “hard evidence” for personal use agaiinst her if nothing else. It might wake your son up. Also might not, but this woman sounds VERY dangerous to me. I would put NOTHING PAST HER. My P-son is that way. Fortunately he is in prison now and I hope he stays there, but those that are willing to just “hurt others” for the FUN OF IT are the scarriest of all and your DIL sounds like one to me. God bless you. (((hugss)))))
thank you guys for your love and support. i realize im just angry at myself for putting up with what i did for two years. im angry that i dated him. i wished he never even knew me. looking back i just dont know what i was thinking. i really thought i was in love. its sad that i was afraid to leave him and i didt know how. the past is the past now, and i cant change my past but i can change my future. the only thing i can do now is live in the now and make better choices for my life.
Blondie – sweetie dont beat yer self up for loving someone – we didnt know they were unloveable – i feel like you do but – we were trying real hard to love them – and loving someone is a good thing – chit happens Blondie – we learned a hard but valuble lesson – in time we wont think much about this or them – I can feel it – we get better each day dont we~~~!!!! hugz henry
wini: can you tell me my angel, please?
what info do you need?
I have an angel Her Name is Wini if u look real close u can see a Halo above her head………..~~~~WINI~~~~