I do my best to read all of the comments on lovefraud.com because I think they are a good barometer as to what people are thinking and questioning. One recent theme/question has been the issue of the realm of jerkdom. Just what is a jerk?
Merriam-Webster’s online dictionary defines a jerk as an annoyingly stupid or foolish person b: an unlikable person ; especially one who is cruel, rude, or small-minded. But how would a psychologist approach answering this question?
Psychologists studying personality tend to fall into two categories, with members of the first category being far more numerous. The first category of psychologists is composed of trait psychologists. A trait psychologist is someone who studies personality by looking at traits. Traits are words, primarily adjectives that are used to describe people.
The dictionary says jerks are foolish, unlikeable, rude, cruel and small minded. We might take the process further and ask everyone reading this to list adjectives describing jerks. We would then find jerks and make our own determination as to whether or not the adjectives describe them.
This trait approach is similar to that used to identify sociopaths and narcissists. This process allows us to put people in a category. So with this approach, we could find traits that differentiate between jerks, narcissists an sociopaths. Most of us think of traits when we think about people and personality.
There is another way to look at people and personality that considers motives rather than traits. Although the fundamental motives of love, power and achievement exist in all people there are individual differences in the degree to which these motives rule a person.
A motive psychologist might say that a jerk is someone with too little love motivation and too much power motivation. But then that also describes a sociopath and a narcissist. Aren’t motives after all more basic than traits? If you are interacting with someone, aren’t you most interested in understanding that person’s motives as opposed to observing their traits?
Consider the following letter we received this week:
There are certain things about my daughter-in-law that I just don’t understand. I am not a psychologist so I don’t know for fact what is wrong with her.
She and my son had a rocky relationship before marriage. She was pulling him away from his best friend but was herself going to spend time with the guy after she dropped my son off at work. She played them off of each other until they just went their separate ways. It was always his best friends fault.
This is what truly hurts me….. after she married my son they lived with my husband and I. We worked long hours and came home to a mess. She and my son neither one worked but expected us to clean up after her. She would cook and I was to play maid. When this didn’t go over she belittled me. She asked to talk to me privately. There wasn’t one thing about me she liked. She told me that she was tired of fighting for my sons attention. They moved out to my relief. I took what she said to heart and didn’t contact my son for anything. I left it to him to contact me if he needed me. This hurt him even though I explained I didn’t want to come in between them.
They had a beautiful daughter and she uses her against us at every turn. We have gotten used to it and don’t let her get satisfaction from it any more. She has planted pills on the floor of my mother-in-law’s home to make it look like her home isn’t safe. She has done that scam twice. She has told my other daughter-in-law that she is only with my son because he puts up with things other men wouldn’t. She has admitted to sleeping with other men but made it out to my son that she was made to share a blanket. I am truly worried for my son and his daughter. She is such a good liar. Oh by the way she makes it out as if she is the only person capable of watching my granddaughter. At my grandma’s funeral she became angry with my son for not catching the baby before she put chalk in her mouth. but then she didn’t catch her stick a holly berry in her mouth and that was ok. She was too busy flirting with my son’s cousin who btw is working on his masters”¦
Am I a paranoid mother and grandmother that just needs to continue watching people she loves be hurt? Or is there maybe something to this behavior?
What do you think?
I dont want to do any thing mean or spitefull to him – he is gone – if he ever thinks of me again for just one second – I want him to feel that someone really did love him – once upon a time – and I hope he find’s someone that can take care of him because he is very messed up – he need’s something I couldn’t give him.
And WINGS:)~
On my way home from work – henry, you are so much better than me because if I could go back and do something mean and spiteful I would. Maybe I’m just feeling like that now. I flip from feeling that way to feeling sad.
I don’t think they’ll ever be able to find someone to take care of them (well – maybe in my x’s case his mother) but if they do take care of people like them all they’re doing is being used. I don’t know if I’m making sense.
I really did love him/do love him but I can’t do anything for him. I had actually written him a letter that I was going to send telling him that. He’s broken. I think by now (32 years old) there is no hope. It’s messed up knowing someone you feel that way for is not fixable. I told him in the letter if I could go back in time and protect him from what his parents did to him I would. BUT – I can’t and so I have to let him go. It hurts bc I used to think sometimes that perhaps somewhere down the line we could be friends and I could see him without feeling pain but I realize that can never happen.
Wow! I guess I am making some headway. Talk to ya’ll when I get home.
Hey Gemini Believe me – not too long ago I was plotting revenge – and spent many hour’s thinking of what I could do too hurt him – what could I do too make him understand the pain he has caused me. But at almost 8 months NC – I don’t even know if he is alive and prolly never will see him again. So all I have left are the memories… I think in their own twisted reality they cared for us and used us at the same time. That doesn’t make sense to you or I. If after all this time he has been gone and I still miss him and feel love for him, then it wasn’t all for nothing. He had to have some good in him for me too care so much. With letting go of trying to understand him I have let go of so many questions – questions that will “never” be answered. I mourn the loss – and yeah it was the loss of who I thought he was. He mirrored me and in away became me or at least a reflection of me. It’s not so much him that I miss – it is loving him that I miss – does that make any sense? I don’t want to carry bitterness in my heart – it is too heavy – Gemini we loved them – we have to let them go – I can’t erase the fact that I loved someone – yeah it hurts – I will take that hurt and and make it a sad time in my life – one that I dont ever want to repeat with him or anyone else like him. Obviously this is something I am never going to forget – so for me I just wan’t it to be something sad in my past, because I will never be able to grasp the full truth of what motivated him. And I am going to have to live with me the rest of my life – I made mistakes too….and (I) was a part of the drama – I literally threw him out of my home my life – I have to live with that – it is up too me how I want to remember him – he is messed up – I have to take care of me now….
Dear Gemini Fairy,
I used to look back and think that I loved the Bad Man but now I realize I only loved who he told me he was… but if I take that away and look at how he was acting and how he really made me feel… aweful… I don’t feel any love this man anymore.
Of course, your story is different than mine and I haven’t read a lot of yours…
Bad Man claimed he was abused by his Dad when he was young and of course, I think that is wrong… at the same time, remember the pity play… if they tell you a sad pitiful story about their abused and neglected youth.. then we might give them more slack for the abuse they dish out because we feel sorry for them.
I find that what I feel soory for someone, I need to check and see what is happening to me. I no longer feel sorry for anyone that is abusing me no matter what their excuse might be…. Feeling sorry can be a trap.
Bad Man was in his 40’s. I doesn’t matter what happened to him as a young boy. He was old enough to know that name calling is not appropriate.
Beware of making excuses for these disordered abusers and exploiters.
All the best in your recovery.
Aloha
That’s my 2 cents but today it’s on special. FREE! :o)
Aloha,
I don’t know if all of the abuse that he told me about from his father is true or not – I do know from my own investigating that it is TRUE his dad is in prison for murdering his step-mother but you are right. I have a very dear friend who says the same thing about things that happened to him as a child and young adult. When explaining his own upbringing he told me “my dad is an @.......$$hole. I didn’t’ want to be like him so I chose not to be like him.” And I know it’s true. People come from bad, rough home lives and turn out to be highly productive, good people, and I know that’s no excuse for how he treated me it’s hard for me to think how anyone can treat their children so badly that they end up breaking them somehow.
henry – It does make sense about not missing HIM so much as missing loving him. I know I have to let him go. I used to always end my relationships with “If you ever need anything….” but I realized I can’t do that with him. Again, it’s different. Cause that just leaves the door open for him to try and sneak back in again.
I wish I had the time to read all the comments. I just read The Sociopath Next Door. In differentiating sociopaths from jerks, she has some very solid criteria. She says the one thing that’s usually a giveaway is the pity play. My ex also said he had been abused by his father. (Who knows if this is true). The one thing sociopaths love is our pity because when we are pitying them, they can control and manipulate us. Don’t fall for it.
The other thing is the rule of three: If someone lies to you or breaks a promise or claim one time, it could be a misunderstanding. Twice, and it could be a serious mistake. Three times, and you should start suspecting they are a sociopath because lying and deceit is the underpinning of their personality.
Also, suspect over-the-top flattery. My ex did this with me, and even complimented me on the public forum a little too much the day he met me. It actually made me uncomfortable.
These are some telltale signs. When I think of a jerk, I think of the Archie Bunker character (now I’m dating myself). He could be really annoying and obnoxious, but ever so often you’d see his love for his family. That kept him from being a sociopath.
it is emotionally impossible to simutaneously feel ‘pity’ yet suspect ‘deceit’ at the same time , the mind can only do one or the other – I read that somewhere – fit’s my feeble mind to a T anyways –
Dear Aloha, good post!
Dear GF– wanting to hurt someone who has hurt you is a natural feeling, in fact, they have found in studies that the thoughts of revenge actually light up the “pleasure centers” of the brain. Revenge, however, when you are contemplating it, takes away the feelings you need to focus on to heal yourself, it embitters you–whether you do it or just think aboutit. I have had plenty of feelings of “revenge” but I know that they are negative self defeating feelings and I want to focus on healing me, not fantasy about hurting him/them.
DEar Stargazer,
I have the “rule of one” (instead of 3) LIE TO ME ONCE, and YOU ARE OUT, I WILL NEVER TRUST YOU AGAIN. Period. End of discussion. It is over. The other things I can clear up misunderstandings etc. but a LIE? Never, it is a deliberate act and shows A) no love for me and B) no respect for me, so why would I want anyone in my life who neither loves nor respects me?
I have always tried to be “forgiving” but, the DEFINITION of “forgiveness” has changed, it no longer means “pretending nothing happened” it now means that I quit feeling bitter toward you no matter what you have done, but it does NOT necessarily mean I will ever trust you again. Unless you have shown a remorseful change in behavior over a period of time (not just said “I”m sorry”) it will be impossible to restore trust. Without trust, there is no meaningful relationship.