Editor’s note: Lovefraud received the following from the Lovefraud reader who posts as NewLife43.
I not only read Lovefraud to help me with the backlash from my 8-year relationship with my spath. I also read an interesting blog written by and for sociopaths, answering some of their questions, presenting criteria about what makes a sociopath what s/he is. It’s very enlightening, particularly when I am sorely missing my ex-spath and need to remind myself why we are no longer together. Since it’s on the Internet, the spaths are surprisingly honest. Sometimes, the posts can be very chilling, when they are honestly posting about the way they think, causing a shiver to run down my spine that I escaped from such trauma. It helps me to have gratitude and a sense of good fortune I am no longer caught up in that mess. And I stop missing him, which was the whole point of reading the site.
An interesting question that came up on their board was: Do animals have a sense of morality?
This question was derived from one of the spaths reading an article that was printed in the British online publication, The Telegraph. That article was entitled, Animals can tell right from wrong.
One of the spath responses to the article was that of course, evolution played a HUGE part in our human abilities to be empathetic and moral, citing dolphins, great apes and even elephants as being altruistic and helpful to other members of their flock, pack, herd, etc. with no apparent gain to themselves. They can even be helpful to other species. (For instance, dolphins protecting humans from sharks). But of course, sociopaths missed the boat when it came to empathy.
Another of the respondents said that cats were probably psychopathic. I beg to differ and told them so. Here is my response to the sociopath article:
Over the years, I’ve had several cats. Currently, I have a two-year-old little guy, who I can honestly say is sociopathic, intent only on himself and what I can do for him. He derives great pleasure from me, but shows no emotion or feelings back to me unless it can benefit him in some way. Then he can charm the pants off me. He is a great troublemaker to boot and plagues everyone in the household (animals included) with his actions! Lots of fights are started by this little cat, while he walks away smirking. Very smart, easily bored, destroys household items for the fun of it and targets others. He doesn’t have an altruistic bone in his body. HMMM…sounds sociopathic to me! He gets thrown outside A LOT but never seems to learn from the consequences of his bad behavior. Sigh!
I have another cat, whom I’ve had for 18 years; she wants to know the rules and not only follows them to a “T” but expects all the other cats in the household to follow them also…or she will beat the “carp” out of them. Routines are to be observed at all costs. She has to be let in and out at certain times, food and water have to be fresh and put down on a certain schedule, etc. Although she is very reserved, she can also be very loving on rare occasions (funnily enough, to me only, I suppose as the main caregiver), but it is genuine, as she never wastes time with false emotions. She is honest through and through. Definitely OCD, though, don’t you think? Think “Monk” here.
Finally, I have a very sweet, loving black cat who is 13 years old. His sole purpose in life is to find a way to spend all his time with me. If I sit down, he is in my lap; going to bed, he not only wants to sleep with me but also has to be as close as he can, preferably touching my skin in some way. He always stops and thanks me for his food, before he dives in to eat. Follows me everywhere. And he is incredibly empathetic, always knowing when I am sad and offering comfort to the best of his ability. My friends marvel at this loyal little cat, who pesters them to go home at the end of the evening, so that we can go to bed together! Apparently, he can’t go to bed without me. One friend said he was worse than her husband! No other creature in the world has ever loved me like this, including my kids and two ex-husbands. And I don’t treat him any differently than my other cats, so I don’t know why I deserve so much love. Empath, borderline…I don’t know. I just know he loves me very much and shows it. And he was born that way.
So, no, not all cats are sociopaths. But from my experience, I would have to say, all have different personality disorders/traits, just like humans. Certainly completely different from each other. Since I treat them all the same, I have to conclude that they are the product of their genetics, i.e., they came to me that way, I didn’t make them the way they are. Just like the world is not environmentally responsible for creating sociopaths; you were all born that way, and there is nothing we “NORMALS” can do about it, except to stay as far away from you as possible, for our own sakes. Surely, you spaths can understand self-protection and putting ourselves ahead of you. For once. And if you lack the ability to understand that, well, as my ex-spath was so fond of saying to me, “I DON’T CARE!” 🙂
Feeling very successful today!! I bought a faux wood-burning stove/space heater in mid October-wasn’t sure if it was a wise thing to do….I didn’t NEED it as I had an adequite heater, but felt it was not economical…wondered if I just wanted the ambiance of a fire….but, I love it!!! Last months electric bill: 65 dollars. This month’s:69. Last years bills were up to 200 dollars. Yay. And I hated my old heater…a combo window unit that blew hot air directly on me ’til the thermostat reached the said temp and kicked off, then cold air, til I got up and turned it off, the house got cold and I got up and turned it on again……
Huge sucess on Christmas Eve. I went to younger daughter’s house for dinner. Lasagnia. Not turkey. 🙁
I brought 6 stuffed stockings and a gift bag…7 grand-kids…stockings stuffed with coloring books, color crayons, bubbles, whoopy cushions, toy cars, little girl press-on nails, lip-gloss, hair-bows, candy canes, cracker-jacks, puzzles, etc. Older Grandson, aged 12 got the gift bag with a Christmas jar of bite-size chocolate bars, cracker-jacks, candy-cane, a whoopy cushion, fruit roll-ups, and a 20 dollar bill, tucked under a candy bar. Nothing extravagant, but, because they got them on Christmas Eve, while much anticipating Santa’s arrival, they were thrilled with my little offerings. I haven’t been able to give at Christmas for a long time. It felt wonderful.
I bout a three foot fake tree and decorated it with gold and hot pink…so very pretty. I hate to take it down. 🙁
Big success with Pinky-doodle. He got some cat treats and a cat-nip scented squirrel that sqweaks when batted or bitten. He loves it….carries it around in his mouth…..brings it to me and drops it at my feet….an offering….his gift or contribution, as cats will.
Yes. It’s been a good year. We are happy and content, me and my little fur-person.
God bless to all, and best wishes for a happy New year.
Truthy, yea, he would be VERY messy except the cage I have him in catches 99% of the mess. It is about 3 feet across and about 6 ft high, wrought iron…he is a hand raised African Gray and very gentle and very funny…not much “racket” or squawks etc…and I used to take him out and pet him and hold him and turn him up side down, but a bout a year ago he got my middle finger fully inside his beak and cracked down….my entire hand swelled up, as I had a CRUSH injury like if you had taken a pair of vicegrips to my finger bone. The knuckle is still stiff…
I knew a guy that had a macaw named Sam for 25 years, and Sam was wonderfully tame, then one day Sam reached out and bit his owner’s FINGER OFF. A cat or a dog will give you WARNING that they intend to bite, at least a second or two before they do, but you can’t tell with a bird until they DO IT. So Oliver (my bird) stays in his cage from now on. I put water in with a long nosed plant watering can and food through the bars…no more lovey dovey, I no longer TRUST him. I’ve had him for about 25 years and he has never seriously bitten me before. Just a pinch if he was mad about something. But this was seriously trying to hurt me, and it did.
He is funny though, and I love to talk to him and interact. They are sooooo smart. My husband would say “hello oliver” and Oliver would reply by saying “Hello and my husband’s name.” He would also say “Hello Joyce” when I would say “hello oliver” but hasn’t done it in a long time. He still calls dogs we haven’t had in 10-15 years, does wild bird sounds, microwave beeps, phone rings, whistles, burps, does several different cat meows, and if you say “here kitty kitty” he will meow, and if you ask him if he can bark he will bark like a dog, or he will ask you if you can bark and want you to make a fake dog bark…he imitates that phhony bark too. He also goes “Youuuuuuuu hoooooo” which is the yell I did out the door to let my husband and the guys know a meal was ready (it carries farther than a regular yell)
He’s a lot of entertainment and part of our household now. It would be way too quiet without him, but I doubt I would replace him if we were to lose him. Wouldn’t be the same.
kim:
Good for you…good for you!! It warmed my heart to hear your story of Christmas Eve.
Rgc, not to dampen the hope of a bright 2013, but I didn’t realize that you’d had a previous affair, either, which explains a great number of things.
Um…..what OxD said: counseling together and individually. I’m not a trained counselor, so my observations go no further than my own opinion, and I hope that you don’t interpret them as ridicule or belittling, but the marriage seems to be quite damaged, and it just may be that it’s irreperable. Only a trained counselor would be able to advise you and your wife on this, and I would urge that you both seek your own counselors to sort this out so that you can come to some rational and fact-based decisions.
Remaining together in a desperate attempt to “fix” something that is beyond repair, OR “for the sakes of the children” is not good enough to continue forcing something that isn’t going to happen. Like I said, only a trained counselor can interpret the relationship.
Brightest blessings
Kim, a year ago, you were a completely different person – you give me such inspiration that I’m going to recover, too. Thank you SO much for finding LoveFraud – and, I say “thanks” because your journey has been so inspiring.
OxD….African Grays are the most prolific “talkers” and are, indeed, the “smartest” of all large parrots. NEATO!!!!! And, yes….the larger parrots can become suddenly aggressive for no apparent reason. I had the opportunity to adopt an Umbrella Cockatoo, but I didn’t, and I’m actually quite glad. They tend to become attached to one person, jealous of other people, and they live to be a billion years old, so they have to be bequeathed to someone that they get along with on account of they typically outlive their owners!
Brightest blessings
Hmm last nite I dreamed about Bill Clinton ( never have been attracted to the old geezer but ) ..I was like cinderfella cleaning the floors, and in he walks in with his entourage, walks over to me and ask me to adjust his bow-tie, so I do and he presses his ‘self’ against me and then gives me a passionate kiss…Hilary grabs him by the arm and drags him away….oh my what a way to start out a new year….
Moondancer,
Sorry, but RAFLMAO…. Happy new years to you?
Oh my.
So This Morning as I am fixing my coffee, I hear this slow ripping tearing noise, I go to investigate and the new wiener pup (4 months old ) had tore off a strip of wall paper from my wall.
Then I decide to call The Lady and wish her a Happy New Year,, ring ring, someone answers the phone but doesnt say a word and hangs up..oh my The Marine has it in for me….himm my walls are bare and I may be out of a job soon…..life goes on.
MoonHensDancer, Bill Clinton? Ew, bless your heart….
Wiener dawg needs badgers to chase, sounds like! LOLOLOL
As for The Lady & The Marine, you had prepared yourself for the possibility of actually LEAVING that job, so you’re going to be okay.
Brightest blessings!