Editor’s note: Lovefraud received this e-mail from a reader whom we’ll call “Lara.”
About three months ago, I met a 34-year-old German banker from Munich online (he added me on Facebook), after being very hesitant to speak to him, I gave into his persistence and we started a whirlwind romance over the phone for two months. He asked me to meet him in Paris and I did a few weeks ago, only to be dumped the day after we had sex together. I have been asking myself for answers but it was only recently that my friend brought to my attention that Y (German banker) exhibited the key traits of a sociopath.
Y added me randomly on Facebook and we had one mutual friend (A fellow Korean Uni student at my university in New York). I messaged him asking if we had met, only for him to say that he “met another Lara in NY who looks like me.” I believed him but then later found out he also added my friend and a few other girls (some of them my friends) randomly on Facebook. I thought this was very weird behaviour as I do not understand why a grown man would add random younger girls on his Facebook all of whom he does not know.
After further investigation, I found out he was messaging a few of these girls too asking to “speak on the phone as he was curious about their voice,” which is exactly what he said to me. I found this very unnerving—a grown man messaging a plethora of younger girls on the Internet asking to “hear their voice on the phone.” I confronted him about this and he got incredibly defensive and sent me an incredibly long and eloquent email explaining why he added us on Facebook as a “social experiment.” He also called me paranoid and asked me how I could be concerned about Internet predators when I had more than a 1000 friends on my Facebook.
Talked on the phone
After saying no many times to a phone conversation, my curiosity took over me and one day I agreed to a brief conversation. I thought that if he turned out to be a creep, I would just block his number on my phone. Our phone conversation turned out to be alright—he was a decent and pleasant guy. However, he continued to call me every single day from then on, along with numerous text messaging.
Soon, he told me he had grown incredibly fond of me and was using affectionate terms like “baby.” I asked him why he was interested in me, as I am a 21-year-old university student in New York, who he has never met before. He told me I underestimated myself and that he liked me because I am “well traveled, educated and down to earth.” I just could not grasp how a 30+ year old banker from Munich with good looks would stoop so low as to find a romantic interest with much younger women on the Internet.
Intimate questions
Soon after we started talking on the phone, he started to be very inappropriate with me, asking personal and intimate questions. He knew I was very uncomfortable with this but he still persisted. He would tell me to “think of falling asleep in his arms,” “our kiss,” and then he would ask me to “fantasize having sex with him.”
I don’t know how he found the confidence to talk to me in this manner, as I never reciprocated his affection or romantic interest. I was uncomfortable, so I messaged a friend of his, which I found through his Facebook list, and asked her whether I should trust him. She responded immediately with glowing reviews about Y, saying she was good friends with him when he lived in London and that he was incredibly charming, successful, social and that a lot of women fancied him. However, despite all his inappropriate behaviour, I was so completely charmed by his looks, intelligence and wit that my judgment was practically impaired.
Fly to meet him
A few weeks after this, Y asked me when my next university break was, as he wanted to see me. I had one coming up in a month, in middle March. He insisted that I fly to Munich to see him. I told him “absolutely not.” I would never stoop so low as to fly to Munich to stay with a stranger I have never met before (as a girl I need to maintain a level of dignity and self-respect). He was very persistent and said I could stay with him and that we would drive to the mountains and the outskirts of Munich to ski. I told him I would not do that, and if he really wanted to see me, he could come to New York. He told me he could not take time off work to fly to New York and so I had to go to Munich.
Anyway, I ended up deciding to go to London to visit my friends during my university break. I told him he could come to London to see me but he was not satisfied with that as “London is not a romantic city and I would be around all my friends and not spend time with him.” He said he was willing to compromise and that we should spend a “romantic weekend in paris—just him and I.”
I was very hesitant and all my close girlfriends told me not to do it, as they felt he was trying to isolate me to a place where I do not know people or speak the language. However at this point I had already fallen for him so I agreed to it. I told him I wanted to have my separate room from him but he was completely and utterly adamant that we share a hotel room together. During this point of our phone conversations, he was already telling me that he felt like he could fall in love with me, that he had told his mother about me and that I should move to Munich next year after I graduate from Uni. I couldn’t help but believe and fall for his words.
Going to Paris
Two weeks before Paris, Y and I had started talking considerably less as his company was working on a major buy-out and I was occupied with exams. He said it was good for our relationship, as it would make us miss each other more. However, as days went by, he completely stopped texting me or calling me. Before Paris, we spoke once on the phone and it was a very brief conversation ”¦ he asked me about my week and I told him “it was very stressful along with hormonal problems due to my period.” He responded by saying, “Wow perfect timing that your period is over in time for Paris.” I was very disturbed by his comment—out of everything I told him about my stressful week, he was only concerned and delighted to know that I had just ended my period in time for Paris. I started to question what exactly he wants from me. All our phone conversations were heavily intimate where he would try dig hard to get intimate information about me, and he would force me to say things to him that I was not comfortable with.
I flew to London three Thursdays ago on a red eye and then took the Eurostar to Paris. Cut to the chase, when I first saw Y opening the hotel door for him, I thought he was incredibly good looking and tall in person. Three minutes into our meeting, he pretty much threw me on the bed and tried to undress me. I told him to stop it as I was uncomfortable and that I wanted to spend time talking to him first. He seemed visibly annoyed and agreed to go have a drink with me near the Trocodero. During our drink he was very cold, distant and aloof. He was NOT affectionate with me at all.
We went back to the hotel room and I did sleep with him and then the next day at brunch in Paris, he told me “it was over and that he could not see a future with me as I was too young for him.” I was so stunned and confused. Where did this sudden realisation come about? Months after telling me he was completely “obsessed” with me? He said that he became “rational and decided it would never work for him.”
Kicked me out
I started acting irrationally and even told him that it was unfair that he did not give us a chance and that he made me feel so vulnerable by coming all the way to Paris only to sleep with him and get dumped. He became incredibly defensive and angry and told me to go back to London that same night. I was resistant as I was so confused but he pretty much kicked me out and booked me a train ticket.
During the painful last few hours with him, he acted like a complete chauvinist—making me feel bad that he wasted his weekend coming to Paris and that he could have been so many other things in Munich. He started calling his Paris friends on his mobile phone while I was next to him asking if they would have “dinner with him that night,” and while we were walking back to the hotel, he even used his knuckles and pushed me from behind as he complained that “I was walking too slowly.” He even said I should be grateful as he has so many “women on Facebook who are interested in connecting with him.” It is almost like he forgot that HE was the one who connected with me on Facebook and pursued me RELENTLESSLY.
Y did not even send me off to the train station—he asked me to drop him off at Gallerie Lafayette (a shopping mall) because it was on the way to Gare Du Nord (the train station). During this whole time, I was still so numb and confused about the situation that I did not even act disappointed or hurt by him. I even suggested we try to stay friends.
Numb and confused
I went back to London that Saturday night completely numb, confused and shocked by the situation. I gave my heart to this stranger I met on Facebook who convinced me that he was obsessed and was falling in love with me—only to fly to Paris and be used for sex and dumped the next day.
It has been a few weeks since the situation occurred and I have become more rational and objective. My friends are all very disgusted by Y’s behaviour and have been trying to let me realise that what he did was “unkind and unacceptable” and that he was basically an “Internet predator casting a wide net for young girls on Facebook.” I still have trouble seeing it that way, as I keep remembering the person I spoke to on the phone for months. I want to believe that everything he said to me was real.
However, the anger now has set in a little and I cannot believe he did that to me. We have not spoken since. Many times I feel like talking to him as I want answers—but I know this is wrong. I recently found out that Y asked another girl out on a date (one that he also added randomly on Facebook). Initially I was enraged and jealous that he moved on so fast. However, my friends try to tell me that as a sociopath, he has basically found his “next victim.”
There’s still a part of me that believes I was not good enough for him and did not meet his standards, which is why he discarded me. I also feel that perhaps I “deceived” him on Facebook, because he felt I was not as pretty in real life as I was online. I am trying to rid myself of those thoughts that are only self-destructive. I am taking it day by day ”¦ seeing a counselor. I cannot let this situation make me crumble in despair for it will be letting him win. I need to become stronger from this and move on with my life knowing that I learnt an invaluable lesson.
yes, you should respond! then you should go spath hunting!
(the only way you’d be doing that is if someone removed part of your brain)
Dear One_step,
He has BRAIN DAMAGE from all the BOINKING!!! I did to him with the cyber cast iron skillet a couple of years ago when he was so darned DOWN on himself! His brain is already scrambled so he doesn’t need danother 650 million $$ or a can of Raid, he’s arleady dangerous with 3 weiner dogs!
you obviously haven’t hit hens hard enough oxy.
lmao. any guy with three weiners is dangerous ~!
🙂
Lara,
If you’re still reading, I have a few comments to make. I read your story. First of all, I empathize with the pain and rejection you are going through. I was discarded in a very bizarre way after a few months, and I remember the huge blow to my self esteem and the same pain of rejection. This is a normal reaction after being discarded by a sociopath. It will eventually get better. Remember that you shared the most intimate of acts with him and still feel bonded to him because of it. The bonds will break over time as long as you stay away from him.
Second, his behaviors in Paris were sadistic. A healthy, caring person would never behave this way. I’ve gone No Contact with men who have treated me 1/10th as badly as this guy treated you. It was sick and horrible what he did, and would be traumatizing to anyone.
Third, his email to you did NOT sound human to me. It sounded rather emotionless, negotiating fault in your hurt feelings in a defensive and intellectual way without ever caring about your actual feelings. If he actually cared, he would have felt bad, and he would have sincerely apologized. But after how he treated you in Paris, who would have cared? Is there anything a person can say to make something like that better? Would you ever want to give someone like that a chance again?
Fourth, a person like this will NEVER see the error of their ways. Every ounce of effort you spend trying to convince him will only feel degrading and frustrating to you.
Finally, there was a is a very good article here comparing a sociopath to a toddler playing with a spider. He will pull the legs out one at a time and be amused by the helpless spider writhing on the sidewalk. Then when he gets bored, he will either squash it or move on to the next activity. Sociopaths similarly play with people, never actually delving into the emotional realm. Their affections are shallow and self-serving. They don’t care about the chaos they cause. Every ounce of energy you spend talking to them or thinking about them is a total waste of your time. You will see this in due time. You are right where you need to be appropriately, given that the experience is very fresh.
“Toxic” just means poisonous. Toxic people are people who, when we are around them, we feel bad afterward and have to “recover”. They may not necessarily be sociopaths, but ALL sociopaths are toxic. Allowing a toxic person into our lives is the psychological equivalent of drinking poison.
I hope any of this is helpful.
IWONDER, are you talking about Green Eyes in your last few posts?
Stargazer: Thank you for your words. They were all very helpful..
You are right..he has issues. People like him operate thinking that the entire world revolves around them. Nothing else matters except them and their desires..My only problem now is that I truly truly truly feel sorry for him. I wish I was one of those women who didn’t care.. I see so many women who get hurt by men and how they are able to berate them and then cut them out of their life completely” I wish I was one of those women..sometimes compassion and sympathy can be a disadvantage.
Lara100
Hang in there. It takes time to really let go. The residual of caring will fade as you find other places and people to invest your caring in.
Begin with yourself and expand to the people who are THERE for you while you heal.
You will find that there is an exchange of real caring which is reciprocal and real and then you will not worry about the abuser so much.
At least that has been my experience……
It was very hard for me. I never saw the ugly. I was told and read about it through law enforcement people who unveiled the true identity of the man I married after they took him out handcuffed, at gunpoint.
Other people see what sometimes we don’t And sometimes we invest our love in what we want to believe. What is portrayed to us even though it isn’t real. Just manipulative. Just for the reason of being that.
And it is so very hard to accept the different view because the loving perspective is the place where we find ourselves so very comfortable – its the way we are. And its what makes us targets.
It felt for me that feeling empathy for him was a way of channeling the awful disappointment and that I could let my feelings go as though there were a river and if they needed to send positive energy to him as a way of parting, then, it was ok. It was what I needed to do until I really was strong enough to let go of the fantasy.
And, they go hard those dreams which are mirrored back. They go hard.
You were truly all you represented and your feelings are very, very real. Feel. Observe yourself. Find your peace and your strength. You needn’t give up your empathy.
Just this one guy, because he really wasn’t very kind to you.
Lara;
Why exactly do you feel sorry for him? I don’t see much in your story that leads me to believe this guy would invoke sorrow in many people. Maybe I missed something?
While it is easy to blame the predator, you must honestly look at yourself and recognize your own issues that left you vulnerable to such a person.
If you do so, and honestly, you will find that the reasons you care for him, especially “pity” ones, are really a reflection of your own state and desires.
For me, it is easy. “Jamie” and I share the same name. Thus, every time I think “poor Jamie,” I really mean “James.”
Lara you said
“I wish I was one of those women who didn’t care.. I see so many women who get hurt by men and how they are able to berate them and then cut them out of their life completely” I wish I was one of those women..sometimes compassion and sympathy can be a disadvantage”
This was a huge turning point for me… I realized the irony was I WAS ONE OF THOSE WOMEN …WHO DIDNT CARE….ENOUGH ABOUT MYSELF!
I LEARNED these women who get hurt by men and cut them out of their life are SELF-LOVING, SELF-TRUSTING, SELF-AWARE, SELF-CARING, etc..to the level WE ALL NEED TO BE GOING FORWARD.
We need to have compassion and understanding and respect for ourselves…not spend all of our time feeling sorry and showing compassion for the ONES WHO TREATED US TERRIBLY, for the ONES WHO HAVE ISSUES WE CANT HELP THEM WITH BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO INTEREST IN HELPING THEMSELVES – HE LIKES WHO HE IS AND WHAT HE DOES. And they enjoy seeing weak women pining over them, obsessing over them…strong women really do care about THEMSELVES just as much as their partner – to the point that they know they deserve the basics (respect truth trust etc.) as well as being treated like a human being.
So, yes Lara, you can choose to be one of those women. Engaging and focusing on “self-everything” in a healthy way and realizing the ones who treat you bad – do not belong in your life on any level. Nor should you devote any time to thoughts of them or what they did to you. They do it because SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THEM – it has nothing to do with you. And IMHO, if we are letting them continue to do it to us – SOMETHING IS OFF WITH US – at that point it has nothing to do with them. And we must look at why we are allowing ourselves to either stay or obsess —
He does not deserve your empathy. You deserve your empathy and understanding of what happened and your energy needs to be on YOU – not HIM. You certainly can be one of the strongest women you know — protect yourself — not him!