Editor’s note: Lovefraud received this e-mail from a reader whom we’ll call “Lara.”
About three months ago, I met a 34-year-old German banker from Munich online (he added me on Facebook), after being very hesitant to speak to him, I gave into his persistence and we started a whirlwind romance over the phone for two months. He asked me to meet him in Paris and I did a few weeks ago, only to be dumped the day after we had sex together. I have been asking myself for answers but it was only recently that my friend brought to my attention that Y (German banker) exhibited the key traits of a sociopath.
Y added me randomly on Facebook and we had one mutual friend (A fellow Korean Uni student at my university in New York). I messaged him asking if we had met, only for him to say that he “met another Lara in NY who looks like me.” I believed him but then later found out he also added my friend and a few other girls (some of them my friends) randomly on Facebook. I thought this was very weird behaviour as I do not understand why a grown man would add random younger girls on his Facebook all of whom he does not know.
After further investigation, I found out he was messaging a few of these girls too asking to “speak on the phone as he was curious about their voice,” which is exactly what he said to me. I found this very unnerving—a grown man messaging a plethora of younger girls on the Internet asking to “hear their voice on the phone.” I confronted him about this and he got incredibly defensive and sent me an incredibly long and eloquent email explaining why he added us on Facebook as a “social experiment.” He also called me paranoid and asked me how I could be concerned about Internet predators when I had more than a 1000 friends on my Facebook.
Talked on the phone
After saying no many times to a phone conversation, my curiosity took over me and one day I agreed to a brief conversation. I thought that if he turned out to be a creep, I would just block his number on my phone. Our phone conversation turned out to be alright—he was a decent and pleasant guy. However, he continued to call me every single day from then on, along with numerous text messaging.
Soon, he told me he had grown incredibly fond of me and was using affectionate terms like “baby.” I asked him why he was interested in me, as I am a 21-year-old university student in New York, who he has never met before. He told me I underestimated myself and that he liked me because I am “well traveled, educated and down to earth.” I just could not grasp how a 30+ year old banker from Munich with good looks would stoop so low as to find a romantic interest with much younger women on the Internet.
Intimate questions
Soon after we started talking on the phone, he started to be very inappropriate with me, asking personal and intimate questions. He knew I was very uncomfortable with this but he still persisted. He would tell me to “think of falling asleep in his arms,” “our kiss,” and then he would ask me to “fantasize having sex with him.”
I don’t know how he found the confidence to talk to me in this manner, as I never reciprocated his affection or romantic interest. I was uncomfortable, so I messaged a friend of his, which I found through his Facebook list, and asked her whether I should trust him. She responded immediately with glowing reviews about Y, saying she was good friends with him when he lived in London and that he was incredibly charming, successful, social and that a lot of women fancied him. However, despite all his inappropriate behaviour, I was so completely charmed by his looks, intelligence and wit that my judgment was practically impaired.
Fly to meet him
A few weeks after this, Y asked me when my next university break was, as he wanted to see me. I had one coming up in a month, in middle March. He insisted that I fly to Munich to see him. I told him “absolutely not.” I would never stoop so low as to fly to Munich to stay with a stranger I have never met before (as a girl I need to maintain a level of dignity and self-respect). He was very persistent and said I could stay with him and that we would drive to the mountains and the outskirts of Munich to ski. I told him I would not do that, and if he really wanted to see me, he could come to New York. He told me he could not take time off work to fly to New York and so I had to go to Munich.
Anyway, I ended up deciding to go to London to visit my friends during my university break. I told him he could come to London to see me but he was not satisfied with that as “London is not a romantic city and I would be around all my friends and not spend time with him.” He said he was willing to compromise and that we should spend a “romantic weekend in paris—just him and I.”
I was very hesitant and all my close girlfriends told me not to do it, as they felt he was trying to isolate me to a place where I do not know people or speak the language. However at this point I had already fallen for him so I agreed to it. I told him I wanted to have my separate room from him but he was completely and utterly adamant that we share a hotel room together. During this point of our phone conversations, he was already telling me that he felt like he could fall in love with me, that he had told his mother about me and that I should move to Munich next year after I graduate from Uni. I couldn’t help but believe and fall for his words.
Going to Paris
Two weeks before Paris, Y and I had started talking considerably less as his company was working on a major buy-out and I was occupied with exams. He said it was good for our relationship, as it would make us miss each other more. However, as days went by, he completely stopped texting me or calling me. Before Paris, we spoke once on the phone and it was a very brief conversation ”¦ he asked me about my week and I told him “it was very stressful along with hormonal problems due to my period.” He responded by saying, “Wow perfect timing that your period is over in time for Paris.” I was very disturbed by his comment—out of everything I told him about my stressful week, he was only concerned and delighted to know that I had just ended my period in time for Paris. I started to question what exactly he wants from me. All our phone conversations were heavily intimate where he would try dig hard to get intimate information about me, and he would force me to say things to him that I was not comfortable with.
I flew to London three Thursdays ago on a red eye and then took the Eurostar to Paris. Cut to the chase, when I first saw Y opening the hotel door for him, I thought he was incredibly good looking and tall in person. Three minutes into our meeting, he pretty much threw me on the bed and tried to undress me. I told him to stop it as I was uncomfortable and that I wanted to spend time talking to him first. He seemed visibly annoyed and agreed to go have a drink with me near the Trocodero. During our drink he was very cold, distant and aloof. He was NOT affectionate with me at all.
We went back to the hotel room and I did sleep with him and then the next day at brunch in Paris, he told me “it was over and that he could not see a future with me as I was too young for him.” I was so stunned and confused. Where did this sudden realisation come about? Months after telling me he was completely “obsessed” with me? He said that he became “rational and decided it would never work for him.”
Kicked me out
I started acting irrationally and even told him that it was unfair that he did not give us a chance and that he made me feel so vulnerable by coming all the way to Paris only to sleep with him and get dumped. He became incredibly defensive and angry and told me to go back to London that same night. I was resistant as I was so confused but he pretty much kicked me out and booked me a train ticket.
During the painful last few hours with him, he acted like a complete chauvinist—making me feel bad that he wasted his weekend coming to Paris and that he could have been so many other things in Munich. He started calling his Paris friends on his mobile phone while I was next to him asking if they would have “dinner with him that night,” and while we were walking back to the hotel, he even used his knuckles and pushed me from behind as he complained that “I was walking too slowly.” He even said I should be grateful as he has so many “women on Facebook who are interested in connecting with him.” It is almost like he forgot that HE was the one who connected with me on Facebook and pursued me RELENTLESSLY.
Y did not even send me off to the train station—he asked me to drop him off at Gallerie Lafayette (a shopping mall) because it was on the way to Gare Du Nord (the train station). During this whole time, I was still so numb and confused about the situation that I did not even act disappointed or hurt by him. I even suggested we try to stay friends.
Numb and confused
I went back to London that Saturday night completely numb, confused and shocked by the situation. I gave my heart to this stranger I met on Facebook who convinced me that he was obsessed and was falling in love with me—only to fly to Paris and be used for sex and dumped the next day.
It has been a few weeks since the situation occurred and I have become more rational and objective. My friends are all very disgusted by Y’s behaviour and have been trying to let me realise that what he did was “unkind and unacceptable” and that he was basically an “Internet predator casting a wide net for young girls on Facebook.” I still have trouble seeing it that way, as I keep remembering the person I spoke to on the phone for months. I want to believe that everything he said to me was real.
However, the anger now has set in a little and I cannot believe he did that to me. We have not spoken since. Many times I feel like talking to him as I want answers—but I know this is wrong. I recently found out that Y asked another girl out on a date (one that he also added randomly on Facebook). Initially I was enraged and jealous that he moved on so fast. However, my friends try to tell me that as a sociopath, he has basically found his “next victim.”
There’s still a part of me that believes I was not good enough for him and did not meet his standards, which is why he discarded me. I also feel that perhaps I “deceived” him on Facebook, because he felt I was not as pretty in real life as I was online. I am trying to rid myself of those thoughts that are only self-destructive. I am taking it day by day ”¦ seeing a counselor. I cannot let this situation make me crumble in despair for it will be letting him win. I need to become stronger from this and move on with my life knowing that I learnt an invaluable lesson.
Learning:
I am not glad I brought up this song anymore… 🙂 .
This is WAY deeper than I planned on going with this song.
I just like the song, and the title was appropriate for the point I was trying to make.
As far as interpreting these lyrics….you are on your own…because I’m just as confused as you are. 🙂 🙂
Check out ddtg.com. You just might find your next sociopath on this site, along with stories from other women he has abused.
Rosa-
I loved your comment about “hot pursuit”. In future, I will be asking the right question.
Thanks.
Rosa…
Ok, I admit Im a bit overkill when it comes to interpreting songs. My daughter was listening to a song on radio in car and I said what in the world is this about, what is the singer trying to say with these words? And she said Huh? What Mom? I just like the tune the beat the way she sings the words – I dont think about what it means….
But the song WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME — just really gets my goat – because I cant figure it out! LOL… Darn I thought the insight was finally coming my way!!!! LOL
And thats what it did to me tooo, the title is appropriate for your point…!!! But the lyrics arent!!! LOL… very confusing song… but I really like singing it ! LMAO Sry to confuse the point! Thanks for being understanding! Im off to walk and sing! Have a good evening everyone!
Dear Learning:
You taught me alot today. I was involved with a toxic loser who committed a senseless crime against me…your words gave me some healing today.
Thanks.
Y just called me…it was an angry call in response to a few articles of ‘profiles of a sociopath’ that I sent him a while ago (WHICH HE ASKED ME TO SEND TO HIM AS HE WAS CURIOUS). He was very offended and said that he did not fit many of those offensive characteristics like ‘irresponsibility’, ‘short-term goals’ and ‘juvenile delinquency’. He said if he was irresponsible and had short term goals, he would not be in the field of work he is in today, he reminded me that he worked for the same bank in London for 9 long years. He also said it was wrong of me to say that he was a juvenile delinquent as he had a very happy childhood growing up with very loving parents. He even turned it around and accused me of being a sociopath because he said I told him many times I had a tough childhood and also that I have short term goals. He said it was unfair for me to pigeonhole him. I felt so cornered and attacked on the phone that I started crying uncontrollably and I told him how much he hurt me and how I can’t stand how I still care about him and think about him. He paused and told me he obviously liked me as a person and still cared about me as a person or else he would not have called me to defend himself. He said he felt I was exaggerating my feelings as we only met once and that he found my intense feelings ‘scary’. I told him that it is true that I do not know his life well enough to lable him a sociopath but the way he became obsessed with me very quickly and was quick to discard me was very similar to that of a sociopath. I also reminded him how quick he was to jump on me 5 minutes after we met in Paris and he said I was to blame because I was dressed explicitly and that my dress basically had a ‘come f*** me” slogan written it. (I was wearing a jacket mind you). He then jokingly started to call me a sex addict. I told him he was still a pervert for being 34 and going for a 21 year old on the internet, his response was : “I was bored of the usual German girls in Munich and I thought I would look for something different..also it is not weird for me to go for younger girls as my mother was 12 years younger than my father and they were happily married.”
So he basically called to attack me and defend himself about not being a sociopath-the key trait of a sociopath (to deny and put blame on the victim). He also accused me of being a slut, a sex addict, and an emotionally unstable sociopath…He even suggested I go out and get laid so that I stop thinking about him…
SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME SEE THAT THIS GUY IS SCUM…I WAS DOING SO WELL AND JUST ONE PHONE CALL HAS BROUGHT ME BACK SOOOOO FAR IN THE HEALING PROCESS.
Dear Lara,
As long as you allow him to contact you, he will hurt you. That is what he DOES. He is not able to “get it” what he is and he does not care if he did get it.
NO CONTACT is the only way you can take back control and keep him from re-hurting and re-humiliating him. You do NOT have to talk to him, read emails or anything else from this scum bag. TAKE BACK YOUR POWER–hit the MUTE BUTTON on his words. (((Hugs))))
Welcome JDK, glad you discovered our little “club”—sorry you qualify for membership but if you do, this is the best place to be. Read all the archived articles and keep on reading here! It will give you some comfort to know you aren’t alone!~ again, welcome, and God bless.
Lara100:
“I WAS DOING SO WELL AND JUST ONE PHONE CALL HAS BROUGHT ME BACK SOOOOO FAR IN THE HEALING PROCESS.”
Actually, isn’t this the second phone call that you’ve taken from this man?
You posted yesterday at 5:49 p.m.:
“Just the other day, Y called me after 2 months of not talking after Paris.”
Now, you just posted at 5:14 p.m. today saying:
“Y just called me.”
How many calls are you planning on taking from him?
There is something about the dynamics of this situation that you must like, because you keep taking his calls.
You keep maintaining contact with this guy, in spite of the advice that you have been given here.
When you grow tired of him, & no longer love it, you will go No Contact…..or he will.
Lara;
He may not be a sociopath. He is “toxic,” a term I learned here. Toxic people need to be avoided.
He does not call you because he cares about you, he calls you for some self-serving reason, in this case to defend his “reputation.” In the other case, to get to your friend.
He does not bring joy to your life, he brings you grief. BLOCK HIS NUMBER. If he calls you from another phone, hang up immediately.