UPDATED FOR 2024. Editor’s note: The following was written by the Lovefraud reader who posts as “Quest.” He identifies what he believes is the shut down mechanism that psychopaths use on their victims.
As most of us know what its like to be a psychopath victim; I am not going to go into all the details of my relationship with a full-blown psychopathic woman that turned my life into a living hell in just 18 months. What I really want to talk about is the mental effects that this woman was able to inflict upon me without my conscious realisation; gaslighting it’s called.
Just so there is a little background, I am a 55-year-old male and split from my ex psychopath female mate three years ago. We were in a relationship for 18 months. At the time we split up, I knew the relationship was beyond repair, but had very little understanding of what had really happened to make the relationship such a disaster.
Two weeks before I left, I had been on the Internet researching mental disorders and had by chance run into the classification “psychopath.” At the time my real knowledge of the intimate details of the psychopathic condition were pretty limited. Anyway I Googled psychopath and found Lovefraud.com, and as they say, the rest is history.
What had she done?
Two weeks after leaving I realised that I was now damaged goods. Many times I found myself asking myself, what had this woman done to me and how did she do it??? I read every book I could find on the subject, about 20 in all, but still did not seem to have a satisfactory answer to my question, and certainly no real way of fixing what had been done. Most of the books that seem to have been written about the psychopathic condition tend to deal more with describing the psychopath themselves, which is great, rather than figuring out what exactly has happened to the minds of the victims of these monsters.
So what were my symptoms? Initially it was hard to get a grip of even this concept. On weekends I slept til noon; on weekdays I had to force myself out of bed to go to work. I was in a state of awareness that I can only describe as being hypervigilant for other psychopaths, or the possibility of them. Basically everyone I met was a potential psychopath until proven otherwise. Paranoia was rampant. I actually feared psychopaths, as I did not understand what this one woman had done to my mental state, or even how she had done it. This left me open and vulnerable to the possibility of running into another psychopath and not knowing how to defend myself. I had no clue as to what I was defending myself against.
As time passed. I learned how to see psychopaths. It was as if a sixth sense had been awakened and I was wired to the symptoms of psychopathy. Any symptom set the alarm bells ringing in my mind. Well, all this knowledge and awareness was great, but I still could not fix the damage. Some days there would be realisations, some days were great, others not so great. Sometimes while in a crowded room I would suddenly be overcome with paranoia and have to leave. What was going on? It was as if my own awareness of myself had somehow been turned off and I did not know where the ON button was.
In the last three years I have talked to many people about psychopathy. Some found it fascinating, some were victims themselves and could recognise what I was talking about. Most did not seem to have a clue as to what I was talking about and basically thought I was nuts.
Spelling error
So — “O like Umbrella” — where does that fit in you may ask? Well, one day while at work, I was on the phone talking to an East Indian guy. He was going to buy some products from the company I work for, and we were going to be shipping what he bought to him. Well, the guy’s name was one of those ones that you can’t pronounce or spell. He proceeds to spell his name — B like Bob, A like Apple, O like Umbrella — ????????????
He continued to spell but I heard nothing because my mind was stuck on, “O like Umbrella.” What had happened?
Well, while this was happening another part of my awareness had the sudden realisation that I had just been shut down. There was no “O” in “umbrella” and because he had said something that made no sense, my mind had basically shut down. At this point there was a kind of eureka moment, as I realised that that was how psychopaths get into the minds of their victims.
Anyone who has spent any time in an intimate relationship with a psychopath knows that things get very confusing at times. What appears to happen to the victim is a kind of mental shut down that seems to happen at a subconscious level, beyond the normal conscious awareness of the victim. The victim, not realising what is happening, slowly gets lulled into an almost vegetative state where they can hardly recognise themselves. It feels like their very essence or soul has been sucked right out of them, leaving a confused, rudderless entity, almost a zombie.
So what is happening here? Did I just have the ultimate realisation about psychopath victims because I had been able to watch my own mind get shut down by a spelling mistake? The East Indian thought “umbrella” was spelt “ombrella.”
Nonsense
As the days went by, I often thought about and talked about my revelation. How relevant was it? Would it make a difference? What I began to realize was that I now knew what my psychopathic ex had done to me, SHUT ME DOWN, and also I knew how she did it.
Having a conversation with a psychopath is not like having a normal conversation, especially if you are in a relationship with them. Initially in the early days of the relationship, everything seems normal. As time goes on, however, things tend to slowly become confused. Every conversation turns into a never-ending argument that seems to go round in circles, until the victim just gives up. Nothing is resolved and the arguments become more and more frequent, and more and more confusing.
The victim tries to make sense of what is going on around them. What they don’t realise is, nothing is supposed to make sense. The psychopath is in full attack mode on the victim’s sanity. The psychopath is basically talking nonsense, but the victim is not aware that it is nonsense, or that they are under premeditated attack. As the victim’s mind tries to make sense of the babble, not realising that its not supposed to make sense, because it almost does make sense, some part of the persons thinking processes shuts down. How this really works I am not sure, but I feel as if I am getting close to the realisation of it.
Shut down mechanism
One thing about the “O like Umbrella” incident was that I now had knowledge of how the shut down process works. Now, suddenly, I knew what had been done, shut down, and how it had been done. Suddenly the fear was gone, I now knew what I was defending myself against.
Read more: Gaslighting — 5 key points you need to understand
If it doesn’t make sense it’s probably nonsense and you are probably dealing with a psychopath. Because a psychopath is so good at hiding nonsense in amongst sense, most people miss the nonsense. Being aware of this puts the power in the hands of the victim or potential victim. If the victim is aware of the nonsense, it can’t shut them down, I hope. At this point, I at least feel more relaxed than I have in a long time.
So gaslighting shuts the victim down mentally. I feel it is important to realise this, because once a victim is shut down, it will take a long time to wake them up again. I guess the revelation here is realising the relationship between gaslighting and the shut down mechanism. It’s all in the nonsense.
If one can listen to the nonsense and realise that it is indeed nonsense, then theoretically, it will not shut the victim down, hopefully. I have yet to prove this concept. I’ll need to find another psychopath to test the theory.
Learn more: Tools for navigating narcissists and other manipulative people
Lovefraud originally posted this article on Jan. 15, 2011.
akitameg –
” really intimate conversations too”“
about life and work and love and money and sex and God……I even told him that being adopted”
Hmmmm…..sorry honey. With anyone NORMAL, that stuff would have been meaningful in the way that WE understand meaningful. With a spath, it is meaningful in an entirely different way – it’s a fact-gathering mission. What will be our weak points, our fragilities? How best are we able to be manipulated? What will stick the knife in the deepest? All a part of their Masterplan.
Never forget – EVERYTHING they think, say and do has a purpose and the purpose is a bad one.
“He had to have known it was hurting me….Isn’t enough ENOUGH already?”
Akita, let me cut and paste a part of a letter I sent to my spath, before I knew he was a spath and knew the reasons he kept doing the things he was doing:
“21 November 2007
Must you keep hurting us? Have you not caused us enough unhappiness? Exactly how much more pain do you feel you need to inflict on me before you will just let me be? Do I need to be bleeding or dead before you can feel that your work on me is done? I don’t deserve what you are doing to me and you know it, so please just stop.”
The short answer – no, it was not enough for him to have me bleed; he wants me to die. Here we are, 3 years and 2 months after he got that letter, with no reason for any contact between us ever again and what is my spath doing? Still pushing in the knife. Why? Because I didn’t die yet and he still thinks there’s a chance that I might….
“Can anyone relate? It’s like being a bug that a kitty cat plays with first before it kills it. Or walks away.”
Yep. And don’t kitty cats LOOK nice? But don’t they ALL (in the wild or even in domesticity) act like this? Whether it’s with live prey or – in the case of an “inside cat”, with their toys and playthings. The basic instinct is there and working, regardless of the situation. The fact that a cat is confined to indoors and only has pretend mice and fluffy toys to stalk and kill and therefore does not actually cause what we would perceive as “harm”, does NOT make it safe to put your pet mouse with your pet cat.
They are what they are. No amount of rehab change alter that. It is their NATURE.
LL –
“What’s happening to me?”
I don’t know honey but it doesn’t sound like you did anything wrong to me.
I have my senior first aid and know CPR and think I would do it if called upon, but after that, what else IS there to do but call an ambulance, keep checking the patient, try to get hold of someone more experienced (like your nurse friend) and comforting onlookers? You did all of that. And it turned out okay.
I don’t know that wanting to run is a bad thing. Who WANTS to watch people in pain or a drama unfolding? Only spaths, so one good thing that comes from this experience is that we now know categorically that you are NOT a spath!!! 🙂 🙂
These things are never pleasant or welcome situations.
I think you did just fine. xxx
You might be over-thinking it because you have spent so many years care-taking others and you might be hyped up about it because of the PTSD (any stress can bring you undone).
xx
Wow this thread is ROCKIN’!
Katy, you are on a ROLL!
Your advice tonight is spot on!
Especially liked your advice to LL.
LL,
When you learn what is Normal for a psychopath from READING AND READING, you are no longer confused. It begins to take on a “normal” feeling. Like Aussie was saying about cats. Don’t they look cute? Ever watch a nature show about lions? They don’t stun you when they viciously execute their prey, although you may look away. It’s because you understand it rationally. You know how they are. For me, I like to investigate further and try to understand WHY this seems to work for them. What are they gaining? It’s part of what makes me feel safer. But even more than that, it makes me look at myself better. Just like studying primates helps us understand humans better. Spaths are just a more primative form of human. They have regressed to what we used to be: infantile.
I agree with you Skylar.
Katy was so right on the money with her comment
“if we let them in then they think, “i am So wanted, just as I am— ”
THAT IS SO TRUE!!
makes me sick.
I love you all sooooooooooooooo much.
I have a lot to chew on tonight.
((((((((((((((( Questy)))))))))))))))))))
You’re the best.
LL
SChic,
well… not exactly “just as I am.”
More like , “Just as I pretend to be.”
It DOES make me sick. blah, puke, gag.
I love how Katy said, “MFn. A. I wish I could say that was b/c he didn’t know me well enough, but truth is, he didn’t care to KNOW about me, my feelings, my ambitions, my morals/character” any conversation about such personal attributes was a ruse and he forgot it as quickly as he pretended to listen. Not saying he didn’t remember the words, to use on me at will as a weapon, but to look at me as existing as a human being just didn’t happen.”
SC and Katy, 25 years and my spath never really knew me either. How could he? He is 2-dimensional and I have at least 4: Time and Space and maybe empathy is the 5th dimension. I’ve been thinking that.
He could hear the words but never understood the music. It’s not like I hid anything. It was just beyond his capability. Gratefully, this is the reason I survived. He had some of my hooks but only the ones he could relate to, the shallow ones. He knew of my need for a home, a husband and security. He knew I loved my cats. But my interests, my intellectual pursuits, evaded him. I remember one of the first things he said to me, after a deep conversation on our first or second date, “Oh so you’re a philosopher are you?”
What a fucking idiot.
And you know what? I never talked to him about my relationship with God. That was my real saving grace. It was personal. I’m glad I kept it that way.
Lesson, we must’ve posted over each other.
I know how you feel.
Truth is I’ve never met so many people as warm as those here, anywhere else.
I keep telling you to learn all you can by reading and also by looking at the patterns. Here’s a pattern you can’t overlook: how is it possible that such a large majority of the posters here are so kind hearted? The odds are stacked against such a rare personality type congregating anywhere in particular. Unless you consider the circumstances that brought them together.
Sky..
I’ve met the most terrific human beings on this site, one or two in particular……….
And I fail. What do you do within a world of beautiful souls, when you’re so use to being surrounded by garbage.
I don’t have faith in myself right now. Or anyone or anything else.
It’s just easier to wish myself dead. I don’ thave the gutts to kill myself….
But if I did, I would do it.
LL
skylar, yes, 2 dimensional, exactly.
I’m so glad you didn’t tell him about your
relationship with God, I’m sure he would have
tried and tried to use it against you somehow!!!
Amen!
Hahahaha, he must have been trying to sound intelligent
when he said “Oh so you’re a philosopher are you?”
Sounds like a line right out of a movie!!!!!!!
They are fucking idiots, I would use those 2 words
in every post, but somebody might get mad… hehehe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uelHwf8o7_U