UPDATED FOR 2024. Last week, Lovefraud posted a letter from “Cybil,” I did not choose this guy. Here’s more of her experience about “things people say.”
I’ll call this, “Things people say, part II.” This is the other one that bugs me: “You’re paranoid.” I always have a good 24 hours of self-doubt before I realize they’re the ones that are nuts, not me. I know a lot more about what crazy stuff is out there in the world than your average, never-tangled-with-a-sociopath human does.
I just went to a seminar of a national expert on how domestic violence leads to murder, especially for women. Over and over he said, “Trust your instinct.” He told the audience to take women seriously when they have these stories (like those on this blog) and that if she is a co-worker you should elevate these stories to security for everyone’s safety because it could easily become a workplace shooting.
Paranoid
But continually I have had people in my life say I am paranoid since my ex came into my life. HE used to tell me I was paranoid. Crazy. Hysterical. Depressed. I wasn’t. I was living in a psychological and physical war zone. People who survive sociopaths have survived wars. The people on the blog are war-buddies.
The funny part is watching how the people who told me I was paranoid act when their blinders fall off. Like my parents, every few weeks another blinder falls off. When the death threats came in, they were in shock and they never said, “You told us so,” but they started taking things a bit more seriously and realized that when they told me I was paranoid that he was going to kill me (Well, yes, he hit you, he lied to you, he had an arrest record, but he’d never kill you. He’d get in trouble. He’s not that stupid), they were wrong. The sad part is watching them go back into denial as the “living with death threats” thing starts to become routine.
A strange event happened the other day. I called the police. My parents say: You know that was just a random thing that happened. You’re paranoid.
Really?
Responsibility
I am going to start telling people in my life, you are not allowed to tell me I’m paranoid or that I chose this guy. Not only is it horribly deflating, it goes to the heart of what I am healing from and getting stronger by.
When people tell me “You chose him,” they are telling me I have to take more responsibility, but taking more than my share of responsibility for what happened is what kept me in the bad relationship longer than I should have been. Because I started to believe it was my fault, because he told me it was my fault. If I could just fix me, then maybe he wouldn’t have to get so crazy and mean. It took me several years of dangerous experimenting with every “me” I could be, to realize it wasn’t ME. Yeah, I don’t have a problem taking responsibility and I don’t need help taking more.
When people tell me “You’re paranoid,” they are really questioning my instinct and telling me not to listen to it. I am a year and a half out from living with an abuser and a gaslighter; I am largely over the hyper-alert period. I know what I feel. Doubting that was also what kept me in the bad place: Maybe he is telling the truth, maybe he did do that for my own good, maybe I am being too judgmental, maybe I should give him another chance. Not doubting my instinct to walk out that last time was what let me walk out!!!!
I’m not going back there. Not even in a mental sense.
Learn more: Beyond betrayal — how to recover from the trauma
Lovefraud originally posted this story on Nov. 27, 2010.
Kathy,
Don’t tell his wife, tell her brawny brothers who will be very protective of that baby girl……
One And Sky,
I think one of the ways to tell if you are having something that is UPSETTING TO YOU, or you are FEELING uncomfortable (may not know why just that “gut feeling” of something is not right here) then you can KNOW THAT something is going on, a boundary crossed, a disrespectful something—whatever the feeling is—and then you start to look at what might have made you feel uncomfortable.
I remember when my “friend” that stole from me, she was sneaking around during the night actually. I was still living in the RV and still not comfortable moving back into the house yet, and the dog alerted me that there was something outside and I opened the door and turned on the light and there she was, with her arms loaded—she had just come from my freezer and had her arms full of steaks and meat. MEAT THAT IF SHE HAD ASKED FOR I WOULD HAVE GLADLY GIVEN HER—she almost choked at being caught red handed and said “Oh, I was just borrowing some meat” YEA right! She “borrowed” anything that wasn’t nailed down and if I caught her it was “borrowing” without asking of course. “I knew you wouldn’t mind.” I said “WELL next time, ASK before you BORROW” Of course she didn’t.
After I asked her and her husband to take their motor home and leave here, I didn’t say “Why” just said “I think this isn’t working and you need to move” she didn’t ask why either. LOL
They still had some stuff out here that was theirs (they were hoarders and had stuff scattered everywhere) I told her Nicely “call before you come so you can make sure I am home or the gate might be locked and you couldn’t get it.” (of course this was “polite” boundary for “I don’t trust you to be here when I’m not home”) So one day when she knew that my son D’s bio family would be in a nearby town visiting, and she thought I WOULD BE GONE, she “called” and asked to come out. I answered the phone (I was home) and she wanted to come pick up some things. I asked “where are you?” (meaning how long before you get here as they lived 40 miles away) she answered (after swallowing her tongue) “well, I’m at the driveway, but if you weren’t home I WOULDN’T HAVE COME IN.” YEA, RIGHT! She drove 40 miles one way on the off chance I would be home? She was obviously surprised I was home and she came in, very tight jawed, and picked up 1 or 2 small boxes of stuff and I NEVER LET HER OUT OF MY SIGHT. Just making “small talk” and following her around. I never did know what she intended to steal that day but she was very upset that I was home when she thought I would be gone! LOL I have not seen or spoken to her since and we moved all their stuff to a warehouse on the edge of the property where they could get it without having to come on to the farm. I gave them 6 months to remove their stuff after I called and notified them part of the roof had blown off and their stuff was getting wet, didn’t hear from them for months after that then they wanted us to move it for them. By that time, I had rummaged through it and found a bunch of our stuff they had stolen, gave away what I didn’t want, kept what I wanted and when they wanted me to move it later I told them it wasn’t my problem. Of course they did the smear campaign but it didn’t go over with our friends, so they are SOL and everyone that knew them knows what dead beats and mooches they are. I can’t believe I let them walk over me with hob-nailed boots for so many years even after I knew she was a liar and a thief and that he was a lazy mooch. Oh, well, I did learn to set boundaries when they got me so uncomfortable I had to learn or emotionally bleed to death. It was a learning experience.
At first I was worried about being “too harsh” and hurting people’s feelings when they walked on me. Now, I ask the “do right” question. Is this the right way to treat someone? If I can’t answer yes, then I don’t need that person in my life. I pose the question both ways. Am I treating them right? and are they treating me right? For a relationship you have to have two yes answers. If I am not treating them right, I need to adjust my own behavior, and if they are not treating me right, I need to expect and demand that they either treat me right or get the hell out of Dodge. Getting easier and easier. Just DO WHAT IS RIGHT!
No lies, no dishonesty, no stealing, no mooching, and no abuse given or tolerated. End of story. Great life!
Kathleen:
I fear the scenario you describe……spath going out and ‘doing’ it to another ‘family’…..or creating another ‘family’ profile. We know the ending!
Why do we care about it?
We got ourselves into ‘our’ mess, and we got ourselves out too……so isn’t this world all men for themselves? Not the way we think. Because we don’t want someone to feel the hurt we endured.
Like I said…..we know the ending.
I noticed about 10 years into marraige, that spath started saying “HE” had X business….”HE” had this child, “HE” yadyadayada It was HIM, HIM, HIM….
I started calling BS on this when he said this in front of me…..I’d say “I”…..NO that would be “WE”…….
He’d get upset, because I confrtonted him in public….embarrased him…..actually he was the one embarrasing himself by being “I”, “I’, “I”……….I just called the BS out….. 🙂
I can empathize with you…..you already know the ending for the baby and the wife. It’s already been written.
Take care,
XXOO
EB
Kathleen, Since the beginning of Western civilization the myth makers (traditionally male) have been erasing the mother from the equation. Think Zuess whose daughter sprung from his head…think immaculate conception…etc. etc. etc. I think it is severe narcissism and is caused by a deep sence of uterus and ovary envy.
Julia Kristeva, Helene Cixious, and Luce Iraguray are French feminist critics, scholars and philosophers that have written extensively on the subject. Julia Kristeva has coined the phrase, of “the abject” to describe the missing maternal element in our culteral construct.
It’s interesting you brought this up, today, because I have been studying these ideas, again, for the last several weeks, after almost forgetting them when I stopped my graduate studies some 14 or so years ago.
“Laugh of the Medusa” is available on-line and is very good.
I too feel sad for your X’s young daughter, and wife…but alas,
what can you do?
I have some thoughts.
Oxy wrote:
“I try not to “take offense” at everyone who may be impolite in some way or other, or are insensitive, but at the same time, when people come out and OPENLY DISRESPECT ME, or abuse me. I care about their opinion WHY? I either confront them if it is important, or ignore them if it isn’t. Most of the time it isn’t worth it to confront them, just avoid them in the future. Or as a friend once told me “give them a good case of leaving them alone”
And Skylar wrote:
“But the examples that Kathy posted are perfect examples of stuff that would have gone over my head. Actually, I’ll have to print out that bit and study it because I’m having a hard time internalizing it.”
OneStep wrote:
“i remember, many years ago, the first time i realized i didn’t need anger to set boundaries, or fear to keep them.
Might be very nice to forget these things, and not need those memories to protect your well being.”
Here what I think about these bits and some other writings here about boundaries and our responses to violations. (Things that make us feel uncomfortable, disrespected, “disappeared,” etc.)
Anger is a key issue here. I think Sky has trouble surfacing her anger. I think Oxy feels her anger, but she has tears too because she is disappointed by other people’s behavior and maybe hates having to step into the role of enforcer. (I’m guessing, Ox, but this seems like it might be right.) OneStep is finding her boundaries to be just a part of her identity, so she doesn’t have to go through much emotional drama to just say no.
To me, these are progressive steps in boundary awareness. But it’s important to understand that anger is a normal, automatic response to violation. It’s built into the deepest part of our brain. As I’ve written here before, anger is a reaction that creates an intense and narrow mental focus on the source of the violation and also a physical reaction that prepares us to correct the situation and restore our wellbeing. In other words, our deep survival instinct identifies a problem and makes us pay attention to it and gather our strength to take care of it.
All this was designed back in the era when things like thunderstorms or wolves or enemy tribes were real and urgent threats to our lives, and we had to be prepared to protect and defend ourselves. It’s related to fear, but it’s a conversion of fear into determined action. And even in today’s civilized world, it’s still built into us. It still works the same way.
Anger can be twisted and suppressed. If we grow up in an environment in which normal response to violation is discouraged, in which we are are socialized to accept abuse without complaint, or tolerate abuse as the cost of being fed and sheltered or getting any love at all, we can train ourselves to ignore these feelings. Because they are dangerous to us. I grew up with a violent and controlling father, and my upbringing was like that. If I spoke up, if I fought back, if I even was caught hiding, it was worse for me. So I shut down my normal reactions and endured. It was a kind of la-la land where my sense of “winning” was reduced to gratitude for not being abused, and my sense of obligation was entirely focussed on keeping the abuser in a good mood.
Undoing this, getting my anger to surface, took a lot of work. Thankfully, the sociopath in my life finally forced me to start reacting, because I could see that he was destroying me and I could also see that that there was something wrong with my reactions. In fact, he actually said to me, “Why shouldn’t I do this to you? You’re not taking care of yourself. As far as I’m concerned you’re volunteering for it.”
In getting over him, it took me almost a year to stop trying to understand his behavior and come to the conclusion that he was a “bad person.” Not bad in some universal sense, but bad for me, and bad to me. And to do that, I had to find a sense of myself as a very little girl, before I had compromised my normal reactions to protect myself from my father. When I was little, I knew what a “bad person” was. It was someone who hurt me, who made me fell bad. It was that simple. And knowing that someone was a bad person had a meaning to me as a little girl. It meant that I didn’t have to care about that person, didn’t have to be nice to that person, or cooperate with that person. With that person, I had to take care of myself, whatever it took. Maybe that meant running away. Maybe it meant looking for help. Whatever, it meant that it was him or me, and in some important way, my survival or wellbeing depended on stopping that person from affecting my life anymore.
And at the point, when I decided my ex fit the category of “bad person,” I began to react like a normal healthy human being, albeit one that had a lot of deferred anger to deal with. I finally got angry about all of the things he did to me. And then I got angry about a lot of other things in my past. The anger was always inside me. It was affecting my whole life, because it was always pushing for recognition. It made me anxious and fearful, it made me defensive and passive aggressive, it made me resentful and bitter. All aspects of my character I never really understood, until the anger started to surface. I finally realized not only that I was angry, but I had good reason to be angry.
This was the beginning of awareness of boundaries. That there were aspects of me that were just mine, and that I had the right and the obligation to protect, comfort and nurture. For the first time, instead of searching for love with people who would be better parents than my own parents had been, I started becoming my own parent. I took care of me.
This is a long introduction to what I really want to say. Boundaries and anger go together. But the quality of that anger changes a lot as we develop emotionally. For me, taking care of myself before I could surface and really feel and own my anger was difficult. I was always trying to find “rules” that would keep me safe, or people who would protect me. Because I had no clear sense of what was right and wrong for me. I only knew that I seemed to be stupid in some way, unable to see threats or understand that bad things were happening in my life until it got really bad, or I lost something I really loved.
When I finally surfaced anger, I became a warrior. For the first time in my life, I could see threats clearly, learn from my history, and act in self-defense. It took a while of practicing, but I became comfortable with saying no, pushing people away, stopping situations that I didn’t like, speaking out against abuse and injustice, feeling myself grow stronger and knowing that I was progressively becoming more dependable in taking care of myself. I grew to trust myself for the first time, to believe that I could take care of myself in most situations. And I began to look ahead more, to see threats coming before they were on top of me.
All of this personal development was triggered by the long-delayed surfacing of anger. Except for a few extreme cases in my life that I could count on one hand, I’d never been aware of feeling angry. Anger, when it finally surfaced, gave me an insight that I’d never had before. It showed me the difference between what was me and related to my wellbeing, and what was the rest of the world and other people’s issues. Not immediately. It took a long time to undo all the internal rules about taking care of other people, so that they’d take care of me. (The rules that made me a perfect prey for a sociopath.) And I needed that bright, hot anger to help me through that period of learning that no one was ever going to take care of me better than I took care of myself.
Later, when I was more confident in my ability, the big anger was not so necessary. I still had reactions to violation. But I felt them differently. Now, I respond quickly to anything that seems wrong to me. I don’t feel it as the old blazing anger. Instead I feel a little clutch in my solar plexus and a simultaneous sense of unwillingness. Unwillingness to cooperate, to go on with whatever is happening. I start looking for what is making me uncomfortable, and I prepare to deal with it. I’m often not so direct anymore in my counter-attacks, because I’m not so anxious. I look around, consider the whole environment, look for exits and ways to sabotage the problem, but also look for means to make it work out the way I want it to work out.
And this is the other piece of boundary development. It’s not just about keeping out what’s bad or dangerous. That’s only an occasional thing that comes up when there’s a problem. The more common, everyday thing about boundaries is that they make it clear what is inside and what it needs to be healthy, happy and growing. The more conscious I am of my own boundaries, the more I can focus on my own needs and dreams. And when I do reach out into the world, it’s to arrange things so that my future is going in the right direction, and I’m doing good and gaining satisfaction from seeing my ideas turn into something real.
I couldn’t do that before. I was all enmeshed in other people’s issues and needs. I thought I could only be safe if they were happy, and particularly happy with me.
I’m still working on all of this. I still get a little thrill when I say no to something that I don’t like, or say that I want more than what I’m offered, or walk away from something I find pointless or unpleasant. I still have to maintain an inner cheerleader who says, “Man up, Kathy, you can do this,” or “You’re worth it and it’s okay to fight for yourself,” or “Hooray, Kathy, you did a great job at standing up for yourself, you didn’t give in to something that would make you less than you are, and tomorrow is going to be better because of it.” Maybe it’s my boundaries talking to me. Whatever it is, it makes me proud of myself and feel more centered.
I think about what Gem wrote last night. And I think that for a lot of us, it’s going to take some time before we can stop paying attention to our boundaries and just know that we can trust our instincts. That our commitment to self-protection is a habit now. And that we are really focussed on what is good for us, so focussed that we recognize things that are bad for us as simply obstacles. Things to be eliminated from our environment so we can get on with our real lives. And we are so committed and so accustomed to being like this that we don’t have to go through any emotional dramas at all.
Maybe that’s too much to hope for. Maybe feeling disappointed or regretful is just part of life, but I’m not sure that’s true. I have a feeling that eventually I will be less interested in safety, which is still a residue of my background. And more interested and aware of all the options I have all the time. And if one thing doesn’t work out, I can find another path. And if something I’ve invested heavily in falls apart, I can be confident that nothing is ever really lost. That I have the learning and the experience and maybe some goodies to take into the future with me, and things that fall apart have their own reason for doing so. And I just move on to the next interesting thing. Even if it’s sickness or death. We spend so much time letting fear shape our lives. It’s like anticipating abuse, rather than seeing what’s actually around us, and using it to fulfill our needs and our dreams.
So enough of this long story. I need to get back to work. I’m finishing a big project today, and one that I really am proud of. I hope some of this makes sense.
Much love —
Kathy
And one more thing I forgot to say. I’m so grateful for everyone’s stories and support here. Especially the stories that talk about real things.
My stories are mostly about what happens inside my head, the work on I do on myself. But it wouldn’t make sense at all if other people here didn’t share their real-life stories.
So I thank you for your courage and your wonderful writing.
Kathy
Dear Kathy,
Some great points! BTW I am glad to have someone back here that posts as long a post as I do! LOL
Yes, you are right! I HATE to have to be the “enforcer” and I actually know why I feel that way, because that was one of my egg donor’s roles before she went into the enabler role with the psychopaths, but she KEPT THE ENFORCER role to anyone who OBJECTED to her enabling role for the psychopaths. Boy, you could get her into high gear NAZI ENFORCER mode if you didn’t go along with what she demanded you do for the psychopaths!
I fought against being perceived as a NAZI ENFORCER by those people around me, I didn’t want to be “too harsh” in my boundary setting and UPSET those poor dears who STOLE from me, who tried to literally take over my home, my space and my farm for their own use—I had it, and they deserved it, so why WOULDN’T THEY be allowed to take it over? I did owe it to them, right?
LOL Well, I WAS willing to share my blessings, but you know when they seemed to literally want a DEED to it and push me off, I finally got the message!
NOW if I appear like a Nazi by enforcing REASONABLE BOUNDARIES…too bad. I now can SELF ASSESS and SELF VALIDATE what “reasonable’ boundaries are. I don’t have to verify that my boundaries are “reasonable” by asking someone else if they are (not even a disinterested third party) I am graduated to ADULT status now where I can figure these things out myself.
Will I always be right? Not a chance, but MOST of the time I will make VERY GOOD decisions. Not perfect, but VERY GOOD, reasonable, rational and even kind and caring decisions about how other people are allowed to treat me. While my current standards for honesty in those people who are close to me is very high, it is not entirely rigid, but there are DAMNED FEW “excuses” for lies or dishonest behavior in people close to me.
I cna’t do anything about the dishonest behavior of my neighbor “Crazy Bob” except stay away from him, and I can’t do anything about the rude behavior of the mechanic I take my car to except, next time I’ll take my car to someone else…and the pushy hateful lady in line at the store I can’t do much about her either, except ignore her, but I don’t have to let it make me rapidly angry on any of these points. Sure, I’m entitled to be ANGRY at being treated rudely or hatefully…but I reserve most of this angry response for those people who are truly significant in my life…I was VERY angry when my son C lied to me last year because I loved and TRUSTED my son to be honest with me. I had a right to be angry and I did NOT surpress it.
I have a right to be angry at the guy who cuts me off in traffic, but I don’t know who he is and really don’t care, so it is hardly an irritating flash of anger that may last a second and I may yell “Jerk!” at him through the windshield. (he can’t hear me!) LOL
I have just “automatically” adjusted my anger responses now to an APPROPRIATE LEVEL of anger for an appropriate level of damage.
What my son did to me (lie) DAMAGED me heavily emotionally, and my anger was a BIG anger that took time to work through.
What the guy who cuts me off in traffic damages me is NOT very damaging, it is minor, so my anger is a LITTLE, FAST MOVING ANGER. Here for a second and then gone. No working through to it. Just here and gone.
WHILE I was angry at son C though with the BIG anger, the jerk cutting me off would have made me VERY ANGRY as well….even though in real life he did me little or no actual damage because I might very well have OVER REACTED to the MINOR irritation of getting cut off in traffic by Being ENRAGED at his behavior and raging about it all the rest of the day.
So, when we have our stress level under control, we have our RIGHTEOUS anger under control, then those minor irritations by unimportant jerks we meet on the street or other places don’t push us to the edge of INAPPROPRIATELY HIGH LEVELS OF ANGER.
This is why people who are under stress become so “irritable” and take offense at minor, unintended slights, disrespects, etc.
I think we have all seen people who came to this site very. RAW and VERY hurt, and they would become angry at something someone said that was NOT in any way intended as an insult. If we are ALSO raw, then we in turn become enraged at their rage, and then a big flame war starts–fortunately LF doesn’t have a lot of this, but I have seen it so much on other sites.
Even occasionally there is one of those things goes on here. The first time that happened here, I was DEVASTATED by the woman’s flames at me and Aloha, I felt so bad that I had “hurt her feelings” so GUILTY at her anger and name calling of me.
It almost drove me away from Love Fraud and if it hadn’t been for Donna’s intervention Aloha and I both would have tucked our tails and left LF at a time we both DESPERATELY needed it.
I’m still here after 3 years and Aloha is finishing up her Masters degree in Social work so she can PROFESSIONALLY work with victims, so she isn’t here very often when school is in session. But I know for a fact, that LF has been a big part of her healing and of mine! I still learn every day and get new insights.
I’ve even had some grandiose dreams of turning the farm into a sanctuary for victims that need long term assistance….and I learned from my venture into that sphere (I took in a homeless pseudo victim who was herself a psychopath who had just lost the last round of her con-job with her previous victim) I didn’t get taken for anything except some time, and I had kept a reasonable emotional professional distance from her so she didn’t hook me in emotionally either, but the thing is that I LEARNED FROM THAT GRANDIOSE VISION that I am not ready yet to go to that level, as much as I would emotionally like to.
I am still in need of focusing my energies on healing myself, getting my own life in order, and not yet ready to take on a big load of other people’s problems. I do NOT want to allow myself to slip back into the ENABLING mode, and so turning my farm into a haven for “victims” would be an opportunity for that to happen. I did learn though, that I can see-through the false victim pity ploy (even though it does take me a little time in this woman’s case) and see that someone is NOT trying to help themselves or to take advantage of the opportunities I had offered them. That lesson from the pseudo-victim gave me strength when the person I had to eject from the farm was my own son C. (I admit though, THAT DID HURT because I was NOT emotionally distant from him)
I think each time we learn to set a boundary, to realize our righteous anger is valid (whether it is a big anger or a small one) and to let it go at an appropriate time corresponding to the magnitude of the damage done to us, then we are making progress toward living a healthy and functional life. It won’t be all roses but we will be better able to handle the thorns and the thorns will be less often as we distance ourselves from those thorny people.
Thanks for sharing your journeys with us all.
LOL, Oxy,
I did a similar thing.
I met a woman (at a bar – red flag DUH) who was about to be homeless and I have a home that is empty, but needs repairs badly. I said she could live for free if she fixed it up.
She said she could have all the repairs made because she “knows” lots of people who “owe” her and are in the realestate/home construction business.
I said, OK, come up and see the house. She saw all the timber and said, “I need lots of these trees to come down, I need more light, I can’t live like this”. Then she saw all my stuff and said, “I can sell all this stuff, you don’t need it, it’s just clutter” Basically, she was thinking how she was going to live for free and make some $ by selling my timber and stuff.
But it went right by me at first, I was uncomfortable but confused. She called me her rescuer and “Island Angel”.
LOVE BOMB!
That was the red flag. and I learned about it here on LF.
I told my BF and he pointed out the obvious details of how she was trying to take me. DUH!
Funny, he doesn’t notice when people are trying to con him either, I have to point out the inappropriate behavior. It’s hard to see the BS when they are being soooooo nice to you. So we try to point it out for each other.
Kathy,
I’m not really sure about the anger part. I had a lot of anger as a teenager and hated my parents because they were so controlling. I did act out and rebelled. Felt better and our relationship improved. I remembered the teenage years as just being a crazy kid. But being with my spath reminded me so much of being with my parents. Especially the controlling part. It made me think that when someone loves you, I mean REALLY loves you, they try to control you. Boy was I confused. So instead of feeling angry about being controlled by my spath, I felt love – can you see how sick that is? I also felt like I had no right to reject that love. Oh and my mother was a worry-wart. Always worried about our safety, that’s why we weren’t allowed to do anything. Plus, we were “poor”, so we couldn’t afford too many things and it would be selfish to ask. Never mind that we went to private schools, my dad got a new car every few years and my little sister could do all and anything she wanted, brownies, girlscouts, drill team, prom… all things that cost money and I didn’t dare ask to do.
Well my spath pulled all that crap on me too. No job/money, so he couldn’t afford to buy me presents. He would put down payments on big ticket items “for me” and I would actually purchase the things. And he worried all the time, constantly pointing out ways in which I could die or burn the house down or be electricuted or whatever. This was just a way to keep me stressed and afraid. He still tries that, when he sends me emails.
I’m not sure that they are planning to keep us scared. I think they just like the drama and the role that they play. The role of “concerned protector” is a fun one because it get’s them star billing and our gratitude. The side benefit is that it also keeps us controlled. The poverty is another one that they use to control us while spending money like there was no tomorrow. Gambling and prostitutes.
Can everyone see the correlation between what I just described and what our government is doing to us now?
The fear that they profess is all around us to force us to submit to unreasonable searches, “for our own safety of course”.
The economic collapse that requires “austerity measures” for everyone except the banksters that CAUSED THE COLLAPSE. They continue to GAMBLE and cavort with each other.
What I see happening in the larger scale is a MIRROR IMAGE of what happened in my little world. I don’t/didn’t have boundaries, didn’t feel offended, just like all the sheeple today. I’m no different and neither is anyone here who professes NO CONTACT, but continues to buy the BS from our government.
That’s why I had to learn to see the template of behaviors. Now I can see it where ever it appears. I don’t have to feel it. I can trust my knowledge to correctly identify what I’m seeing. I don’t have to get angry – because that’s what they want: DRAMA.
I can go Gray Rock and react calmly and thoughtfully.
That’s what I wish for everyone.
Edit: I forgot to mention, that being fondled at the airport is most definitely crossing a boundary. But the psychopaths know this and they want to see how far they can push us. This is a test, it is only a test…
The psychopath also liked to drop hints about what he was doing, and use special words to do so. The latest word from our government to describe these illegal searches is VIPER. LOL, like a snake in the garden of eden. They are dropping clues.
Dear Sky, what you are saying makes good sense.
I realize this is not a political forum but unfortunately too many of the rich, fat-cat politicians and are behaving like psychopaths whether they are or not, part-tay hart-tay on government funds while the rest of us have to pony up our taxes and take cut services! LOL
What you are saying about our Psychopaths in our personal lives “protecting” us (i.e. controlling us) is also very true. But the thing is a psychopath is a psychopath is a psychopath whether they are “protecting” and “controlling” a town, city, state, or country, the PROCESS IS STILL THE SAME, pretend to be protecting it while using more than your share of the resources someone else worked for to part-tay heart-tay and live it up with “wine, women and song”
Some of those wiki-leak cables from the diplomats “outing” some of the high rolling public figures in this and other countries and their outrageous narcissistic, psychopathic behavior is really a HOOT! I understand why the governments of not just the US but all the countries involved do not what the TRUTH to get out!
I also think this is just the”tip of the iceberg of truth” out there about the powerful and exalted psychopaths in the world! LOL
We’ve seen a few of them here lately in this country, Bloggo, Eliot, Spritzer, Rangel, etc. all with their excuses for their behavior and their getting caught. “Ah, mommmmm, all the other kids are doing it!”
I don’t think there is much I can do about the rich, powerful and connected psychopaths in our government and world except to exercise my right to vote in elections, and I do that. I dont’ think I will make a big difference in the world, but I make the difference that my vote makes—whatever that is. And, I behave with honesty myself, so I don’t ADD TO the number of dishonest acts done in this world, and that helps to some minor degree I guess, but I do realize now that I am NOT responsible for the entire world, and I have turned the running of it back over to God so I no longer have to worry about it. LOL Wish I had thought about allowing God to run the world sooner! LOL ROTFLMAO
ps Sky,
My “friends” (now X friends) were both very bright and charming, and he was disabled from a serious rock climbing fall when he was 19 that had shattered his spine and left him barely able to walk, but he and my son D had known each other since D was a child at boy scout camp, then worked together at scout camp and my hubby and the guy were close friends and we were all in the living history thing together….lots of mutual stuff, and ended up the folks moved an RV out here to the farm and the man “worked” for my husband in exchange for learning about airplane mechanic credentials. Before long, though, they started to impinge on my space (hubby never did catch on) so I had basically distanced myself before hubby died, but after hubby died, the man had a surgery to remove part of his spine and I got on a pity jag for them again, then when they had to sell their house (they never were financially responsible) and moved into a small motor home I let them park it out here on the farm (BIG mistake!) they both by that time felt like I was their cash and living expense cow, and whatever I had was their’s for the taking and That somehow because my husband had been their friend, they were entitled to have whatever he had left as well. It some how didn’t get through to them that I WAS HIS WIFE! LOL I had let them into my life like you talked about boiling a frog, just a little at a time. Then even after I had caught her stealing years before (even before my husband died) I let them move back out here thinking “well, she knows I know she’s a thief now so she won’t steal again!” DUH????? How dumbbbbbb and stoooooopid could one person (me!) get!!! LOL
Yea, they are poor, and they live in a motor home that is a wreck because they will not do minor fixing on it and it just goes to ruin that way, a small leak becomes a big rot–but now I hear they have TAKEN OVER HIS RETARDED BROTHER’S HOUSE and put the brother in some sort of “group home.” Isn’t THAT convenient? Personally, I think the brother is well away from them, but it is a shame that he had to also lose his independence and his own home where he lived across from a little fishing lake and he could fish every day. He was simple, and his needs were simple, and he had them met—until his MOOCHING brother and his manipulating and selfish, narcissistic SIL moved IN ON HIM.
Yea, I’ve actually HELPED a few people, but most of the time my “helping” actions end up being either enabling to the person (and we both get pithed) or they fail to take advantage of the help offered and WANT MORE and I refuse more and they go away mad. LOL My x FIL, who was a full fledged P, but right about this is that
“you can give people things, but you can’t help them, they must help themselves.”