Editor’s note: Lovefraud received the following story from a woman whom we’ll call Hilary. Names are changed.
The night before I met Nick, I had a vivid nightmare. I lost sight of a caring man in a chaotic crowd, a baby was murdered, and I was poisoned. I awoke and heard, “Wait for the right one. Don’t try to save him. You’ll ruin yourself and your future.” The thought was so pervasive that, although I was perplexed, I wrote it down.
The following afternoon, I met Nick (with whom I’d connected on a dating site) on his boat at the local marina, and an afternoon sail turned into an “accidental” dinner with his parents and sister, drinks afterward, and hours of conversation late into the night. The following evening, he cooked me dinner. He began texting me first thing in the morning and throughout the day. We slid into life as a couple, and although things seemed to be moving quickly, we decided that we were in our 30s, we knew who we were and what we wanted—and we’d finally found that in each other.
Nick was good looking and dressed well. He was educated, highly intelligent and verbal, outgoing, well-read yet good with his hands, spontaneous, outdoorsy, professionally driven, and incredible in bed. Where we weren’t similar, we balanced each other out. There didn’t seem to be any reason to hold back. And yet I was. I’d recently had a brief affair with a pathological man, had learned about personality disorders and the prevalence of such, and—as I told Nick—I loved my life and didn’t want to invite anything into it that would upset it. Nick, of course, assured me that he was different. He’d never hurt me like that.
Nick had worked as a bioterrorism expert and eventually, he revealed, as a covert agent with the CIA. He said he’d been certified sane by the U.S. Government through a battery of psychological tests. He confessed that he had regrets about some of things he’d done and had moved back to his home state to reconnect with his family and his values. He told me about his ex-girlfriend, Grace, whom he’d nearly married. She’d cut him out of her life with no explanation, and his reaction to the loss had ruined his friendships and had nearly destroyed him. For the first time, he said, he’d met a woman he didn’t compare to Grace, a woman who was a better match for him and who challenged and intrigued him all on her own.
Spending time together
Within a week, he’d been forced out of his job and we began spending every spare moment we had together. Within two weeks, he began joking about marriage. Within a month, he told me that he loved me. I didn’t say it back, but instead asked him for his definition of love. “Each time we part,” he said, “it feels like too soon. When I see you, I envision a future, each tomorrow better than today.” I countered, “So it’s a short-term cost-benefit analysis? If we have a bad tomorrow or two, then there’s no future and therefore your love dies?” “Of course not,” he assured me. “I mean the average over the long haul.”
But something still wasn’t right. I asked how he could draw on his skills as a manipulator so easily for his job and yet separate that from his personal life. He appeared sad, assured me that he’d never lied to me—and then confessed that he had. It was a small white lie regarding our dinner reservation with his parents on our first date. I’d heard him on the phone with telling his mom that he’d forgotten about the dinner, that he was bringing someone, and was the reservation still for five? When I inquired about the phrasing later that night, he’d claimed he didn’t remember saying that. We’d had a few drinks, so I didn’t press it. When we later told the story of the date to a friend of mine, Nick said they’d had an extra seat because his sister was supposed to bring someone who’d cancelled. “I’m sorry,” he said now, “a friend was supposed to join me and she couldn’t make it, but I didn’t want you to think I was just plugging you in. I panicked and lied, but I’m a terrible liar when it comes to the people I care about and I could tell you saw through it. So I lied again in front of your friend to try to cover it up. It’s been eating at me since.” I believed him.
He said he was ready for marriage and children, and that I complemented his life. He took me to a suite at a fabulous hotel, he invited me to accompany him on a trip to a Caribbean resort, he did dishes and gave massages, took me to expensive dinners, and he was constantly giving me gifts both great and small. I was in the market for a house, and he accompanied me, talking about what we could afford together and which would allow room for a growing family. He charmed my friends, and they loved him. When the New Year rolled around, my lease was coming to an end, and I hadn’t yet found a house, Nick invited me to live with him on his boat. “It’ll be tight, but nice to wake up to you every morning,” he said. I declined, but took that as a sign of his love and commitment. He flew with me to meet my immediate and extended family, and they were charmed by him, too. I’d moved beyond simply wanting it to work with a man who seemed perfect for me, and I was falling in love, although I hadn’t said the words to him yet.
Distant and irritable
But when we returned from the week with my family, he grew distant and irritable. He confessed that he’d re-examined his values and it would be important to him to raise his kids in the Catholic Church—something he knew I was against. I said that his dating profile had listed him as an agnostic, which he denied. We talked for hours about religion and community and came to a compromise. “Don’t be worried,” he said. “It’s not a deal-breaker. I’m just trying to do the emotionally mature thing and talk it over before it becomes a big deal.” A couple of days later, I checked his dating profile. He was listed as a Catholic, but it also showed he’d logged on recently. I’d never thought to check his profile activity and was hurt to see he’d been online. But when I logged on again the next day to confront him, the profile was gone. I know now that I was lying to myself, that he’d changed his religious affiliation knowing that I’d check. But at the time, I convinced myself that he’d been online only to cancel his subscription.
A few days later, he was again irritable. “I’ve become skeptical and afraid you’re going to leave me,” he said. “I’ve laid it all on the line and made myself vulnerable to you. I need you to be as vulnerable to me. I’ve been hurt before, and I guess I’m just the kind of guy who needs to hear the words ‘I love you.’” And so I told him that I loved him and that if everything were still going well in a year, then I’d be ready to marry him and have his children. We made five-year plans and compared our goals. We agreed that neither of us had ever met another with whom we were more compatible. But Nick’s attitude did not improve. He started making racially charged statements and criticized my friend for being “dominant” in her relationship. He complained constantly about how sore he was from the gym, and made snide remarks about anything I was better at than he was. I asked him if he wanted me to be his ex-girlfriend, and he assured me that that was the last thing he wanted.
Depression
Finally, he confessed that he suffered from functional but clinical depression, and that prior to meeting Grace, he’d been on two antidepressants plus Klonopin and Adderall. He was in the middle of a series of rigorous job interviews for a top consulting firm, founded by an innovation guru, and was under tremendous stress. He said he was afraid I was going to leave him before he could get himself under control. So I promised him that as long as he agreed to help himself, I wouldn’t leave him. “But,” I told him, “this relationship limbo is my kryptonite. With my personality, what you’re asking of me couldn’t be more difficult.”
For the next three weeks, I was in hell. He encouraged me to move 45 minutes away to a place where we could have more privacy but that also removed me from my social circle. He saw me only during the day, then would become anxious and retreat to his parents’ house—or so he told me. He said he was trying to write to me about how much he loved me and what a weird place he was in. He said he couldn’t access his emotions, and it scared him. He said he didn’t know who he was without his job. I couldn’t sleep. I researched depression. I attended support groups. I was assured that although his treatment of me felt like emotional manipulation, it was just the depression. At one point, he had me convinced that he was suicidal, and I called his sister to make sure someone would look in on him. I didn’t know where to draw my own boundaries—where the illness took over from the man.
Then he got the job. He read me fragments of what he’d been trying to write, all of the reasons that he loved me. We were intimate, and he was soft, teary, and seemed desperate to access the feelings he’d been unable to before. I assured him I was still with him, and in the days following, he wrote to me of how much he loved me and we made Sunday plans.
Another woman
I was shocked when, on Saturday, I ran into him on the street with another woman. He told her that I was a crazy ex-girlfriend he’d broken up with before meeting her. When I revealed the truth, Nick accused me of “torpedoing everything in his life.” I discovered he’d been dating her the entire time we’d been together, getting serious with her at about the same time he became “depressed.” She’d never seen any signs of depression. They’d had sex (unprotected) for the first time the night before we’d flown to visit my family. He’d texted me from her bed, “Goodnight, beautiful. See you in a few hours.” He’d told her he was going to visit his friend Ben, who was actually a cousin of mine Nick had never met. He was looking at houses with me, but talking to her about moving with him to the neighboring state when he started his new job. He already had a plane ticket to meet her family. This woman didn’t want to know the truth; she wanted her Prince Charming. She took her first opportunity to shoot the messenger, and she blocked me from contacting her. As far as I know, they’re still together.
For one month, he compromised my happiness as I worried over his mental and physical health. For four days, I was wild with grief, and I’m not proud of my actions during that time. But on day four, I went alone to the counseling appointment Nick had agreed to when I caught him cheating. Still in shock, I told my story. And when the counselor said that I’d been involved with a sociopath, it was as if all the lights in my house went on at the same time. I’d already been involved with a pathological person, had done the research, and was in fact writing about it when I met Nick!
Yellow flags, red flags
How could I have fallen for it again?! I didn’t listen to my intuition; when I saw yellow flags, I didn’t slow down; and when I saw red flags, I didn’t turn and run. And although I’d learned what to look for the first time, I didn’t realize what it was about my own behavior that allowed/encouraged these pathologicals to manipulate me. Several months into our relationship, a friend asked if I was sure Nick was right for me, and I said we were perfect for each other. The fact was, I’d had a nightmare right before I met him. In the days following, I was slightly nauseous when I thought of him or heard from him, although he was saying and doing all the right things. And although I’d never had hives before, for the entirety of our relationship, they broke out in half-dollar size across my chest nearly every morning.
Also, Nick was incredibly out of shape for a man who claimed on his profile to work out 4x/wk. He used Grace as his sympathy story, and the way she cut him out of her life completely was a warning. He lied to me on our first date. He had no friends. He was an admitted risk-taker who’d been extremely promiscuous and hadn’t practiced safe sex. A man with his supposed diagnosis on four medications would not have been a CIA operative. He said women were terrible consultants and was obsessed with power dynamics in relationships as well as business. He was a pariah at his office Christmas party. He’d had five jobs in five years. He was volatile when he drove or when we tried to get his boat off the dock or even when the boat rocked with the outgoing fishermen in the morning. He showered and did his dishes and laundry at my house, (which I excused because I know how hard it is to live on a boat.) He claimed to have gutted his boat and refinished it, but after months of spare time and my offers to help, he hadn’t completed the simple plumbing for his sink. Changing his profile to Catholicism caused me to doubt myself and what I knew to be true. He kept the attention on himself/distracted me through physical complaints and claims of mental illness.
Something inhuman
When I met him, he said “Sorry—I’m sorry” seemingly habitually. After a couple of weeks, I told him to stop apologizing—and he did. Even then, I recognized that there was something inhuman about being able to stop seemingly habitual behavior on a dime. But I ignored these things because I wanted so badly for him to be real. Because of my age, I’m running out of time to have children of my own, and I very much want a relationship. This makes me vulnerable.
I’m an open book. When he asked, I revealed. I told him about my family, about my ex-boyfriend (into whom he molded himself), and about my own fears and dreams. I handed him my kryptonite. I revealed my weaknesses and pleaded with him to hold my heart carefully. Instead, he intentionally tried to destroy me.
Afterward, I kept digging. Even those Nick considered friends were eager to speak out. I learned that he’d lied about past girlfriends being just friends; he’d lied to one that he wasn’t dating anyone even as he was making plans for a future with me; he’d expressed desire to raise our kids on a boat for a couple of years, but complained to another that he hated living on board; his resume is full of outright fictions and stretched truths; he’d been drinking to excess for years and was often thrown out of bars; he’d lied about the CIA; and his sympathy story regarding Grace omitted that she’d discovered he’d been cheating on her. The list of smaller lies, omissions, and character flaws is quite long.
Grace herself will not respond to my requests for her side of the story. She seems to have cut not only Nick out of her life but all mention of him. I can’t help but wonder if it’s out of fear, a desire to protect herself emotionally, or if she’s just as stubborn as Nick said she is. I’m struggling with my frustration toward her for not helping me to uncover more of the truth.
If you want to believe
To women who’ve yet to go through this or who want to believe in their mate despite the evidence, please listen to those who came before you and keep speaking to those who come after—even if they shut you out, accuse you of jealousy, and insist that you’re crazy. Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior, but we want to believe that we’re different, we’re special, and so he loves us. It has nothing to do with us. He’s incapable of love. He made those other women feel just as special as you feel now, and then he served their worst nightmares on a silver platter. They get away with it, in part, because we don’t trust each other. If we valued and sought out other women more than we valued these men, many of us could have been spared a good deal of pain.
Another of the greatest dangers we face is our refusal to acknowledge until it’s too late that evil is out there in the form of pathology. A pathological person will use our belief that everyone is inherently good, or can be better, as his greatest weapon against us. He is indeed some mother’s son. He’s a beloved brother. And he’s also your worst nightmare. For god’s sake, not everyone is capable of change, and if there’s one thing I took away from my Catholic school days, it’s that the devil doesn’t approach you with horns and venom, but beauty and a kiss.
Sebbo, I’m sorry that you’re shattered by the truth, but I won’t lie or distort facts to preserve feelings.
And, I promise you this: at some point in the future, you will be SO grateful that you did not enter into a BINDING CONTRACT OF MARRIAGE with this organism. You lost a lot on an emotional level, Sebbo, and I empathize with how you are feeling. But, you did NOT lose your home, your vehicle, your income, your personal belongings, your children, or your very life. You will be grateful for this, in due time.
Healing blessings to you
Sebbo, just to follow up…..you say that she “threatened” you with a restraining order? Should that be interpreted to mean that she made a THREAT and didn’t file?
If it was just a threat, then take it and RUN.
Sebbo, one last thing, and I’ll stop posting for a bit: what do you mean that you’re “a goner?” Clarify that statement, if you would, please.
Truthspeak.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
You are like a good samaritan.
I really appreciate your kind words.
Yes a “goner” is Australian-speak for somebody
who has lost everything and is down on their knees.
In other words – a “goner” is a “wreck”.
No she did not file a restraining order but she
threatened me on the phone saying “if you contact me
again I’ll get a intervention notice followed by a restraining order” (the general process in obtaining a restraining order).
To this day I can’t understand why she’d go to such an extreme?
In her final email she mentioned the following points –
– No contact via email or facebook
– No texts
-No visiting her home
– no contact with her family (who I got along splendidly with)
She designed her email in a way that was already written
like a restraining order.
But in a effort to get some closure myself, I replied to her
email. Said to her that I “respected” her decision and would
vow to move on. Although this was against my will at the time I wanted to let her know that I was “cool with it” when really
I felt like I had been hit by a train.
I just dont understand why sociopaths have to DISCARD someone who was special to their life (illusion) and then give that victim of theirs the ADDED pain of legal action should they at any stage TRY to assert their own rights?
I am just lost but thank you Truthspeak for your wonderful
replies which hopefully will make me see some sense in this
otherwize shocking and twisted situation that is RUINING my life.
Dear Sebbo: that makes the No Contact even better and easier! They are incomprehensible, empty suits, mirrors.
She does not want you to contact her family so she can paint a grim false portrait of you to them. That is what they do. Incomprehensible again.
Time will tell that you are right, and when the family members of her want contact then they WILL contact you, because they know their sister anyway. If not, it is also a sign. Maybe they saw you as “rescue” for their brat ???
Re the threat of the restraining order: for keeping NC it is VERY useful as a reminder of how cruel she really is.
I always think that shit and manure is the same, but you have to find out for yourself. When you are past the misery you will be much stronger, wiser, grown- upper, and the “wreck” is back from the docks in new nice sailing areas. And you will have strong boundaries, you will be the strong wonderful self sufficient confident man you were always ment to be. (((((Hugs)))))
PS I am sorry that my first unedited comment was insensible (at the very first stage I was VERY raw as well)
Sebbo I know you are hurting and I dont mean to be abrasive but why are you searching for POWER when you know its over?
Just be happy you got away before she married you.
Infact if she pressured to marry you in 3 months isnt that already “closure” for you?
You have your answer. If you want it any more simply then I’ll even write the equation below for you !
Forced Marriage + Financial expectations = Misery
Misery x your refusal of her marriage plans = Happiness.
Happiness – Misery = Equalibrium which inturn = Closure.
Tony, your comment:
“Yes I was lonely single. Yes I wanted a woman. But did I feel the emotional trauma I do today? NO NO NO.
I was calm, relaxed and enjoyed my life, despite being lonely and unfulfilled.”
Couldn’t agree more. My stint with my path boss was short and unremarkable..no love affair, never one caress or touch. Just words of appreciation, respect, even adoration…all things I needed so badly. Married 20+ yrs, I have a great husband who is not able to emote and has a problem with intimacy. Phobic to the nth degree. And I’m kind of a needy, vulnerable person. Not a good match at all, but I chose not to listen to a very good therapist who told me point blank this was not a good match and I would be forever caught in the anger-guilt cycle. She was right but my heart wouldn’t listen to my head and gut.
Same deal with path; gut and intellect screaming, yelling, begging my heart to LISTEN. But to no avail.
Now I am depressed, irritable and angry at myself for being so stupid and so DAMNED stubborn and selfish. I got exactly what I asked for because I knew exactly what I was stepping into. I knew nothing about paths, but I knew he had to suffer from some kind of psychosis, maybe just David Duchovny-itis, I wasn’t sure, to put his family and very, very good job on the line to flirt and hit on me, someone 12 yrs his senior IN THE SMALL OFFICE WE WERE IN!! I let it go to my head, believing as others state above, “I was special TO HIM,” even tho he could have anyone he wanted!
***It boils down to: “If he chose me, in this environment where he could lose it all in a second if I ratted, then he MUST
be in love with me, enamored and/or consider me worth losing it all!!!”
There is no way to describe how this made me feel and it was my support and defense against any and all guilt, judgement, poor treatment from him, *anything* at all. So I took it for the team over and over and over again, like the pathetic sap I was and am.
Now that I get it, I am concerned that I still feel so depressed and worthless and so very disappointed in myself. Getting old most certainly sux, but I was happy that I was beginning to feel stronger, more resilient, and less concerned about others’ opinions of me as time marched along…until path.
Truthspeak, lots of really great stuff.
Tony, Sebbo, I wish you strength and if you find a place that employs the “Eternal Sunshine” wipeout process, let us know.
I, for one, do not need any lessons I got from this escapade.
Hugs,
http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2010/02/04/the-sociopaths-imperturbability/
This article may be helpful re: the way paths see others and as well as their own circumstances. It doesn’t really help but maybe once it all soaks in…….
I just wish I could cast this off. I feel there must be something in it for me that keeps me hanging on to NOTHING. Like so many of us, there is a lot going on in my life, prior to path, during and since…no job and being old is one huge issue. And lots of other stuff. So, I don’t need this extra cotton in my head and time-wasting depression between me and moving ahead.
Even tried yoga yesterday for the 2nd time and HATED IT, esp the “peacefulness and enlightenment” one should feel from the “breathing!” Well, I am very, very athletic and where I don’t hurt from the positions, I found them counter-productive and painful. And this emphasis on breathing the right way just drives me nuts. Done with that. I’ve never had success gaining any kind of peace (inner or outer!) from any type of forced focusing. Hell, it makes me anxious! Relaxation exercises…OMG! Let me run or do a step or other aerobic workout. When I can no longer work out, that is where it ALL ends for me. I believe that and my nightly glass of red wine are keeping me together. And some absorbing TV. Right now, that’s the deal.
Sebbo,
“No she did not file a restraining order but she threatened me on the phone saying ‘if you contact me again I’ll get a intervention notice followed by a restraining order’ (the general process in obtaining a restraining order).
“To this day I can’t understand why she’d go to such an extreme?”
Lots of possibilities:
1.) She knew it would push your buttons
2.) She wants to hide something from you
3.) She’s very immature and has a new toy/interest and doesn’t want you around to remind her of what she just dumped
“I just dont understand why sociopaths have to DISCARD someone who was special to their life (illusion) and then give that victim of theirs the ADDED pain of legal action should they at any stage TRY to assert their own rights?”
1.) You weren’t special other than for the purpose that the P decided to indulge you for a while
2.) Your rights don’t matter to a P and are totally irrelevant
3.) Your assuming that you had any rights is annoying to a P who has already written you out of her life – to a P, only the P has any rights
4.) You set yourself up for one final game – the P is enjoying sticking it to you one last time “You want rights? I’ll show you who has rights.”
It’s really, really rough realizing how lousy and uncaring these people are. I am sorry that you are going through this pain.
You’re missing and grieving something that never was there.
It sounds like you are still in shock and denial.
When the anger finally breaks through, please don’t do anything foolish. Use your anger to better you. Please don’t retaliate. Retaliation means that she still has power over you.
You want your power back? Reclaim your life without any memory of her in it.
Dear Tony dear Sebbo, this was my association to power, REAL power (the link will show Venice by Canaletto):
http://arttattler.com/Images/Europe/England/London/National%20Gallery/Canaletto/Canaletto-X6472.pr.jpg
THIS is real power. Venice was so powerful that they could afford just to have a war bark sitting next to Saint Mark’s place without any visible fortress, but everybody knew it was bad news to mess with the Venetians (at that time at least, it is the big golden boat on the picture). They had a huge defense line in the outer lagoon.
What is this telling us now: the best use of power is NOT TO HAVE THE NEED TO EXECUTE IT, but to live a happy life. Be in command on our own ship!
The the most cruel, mean thing one can do to a S/N/P: not giving them any importance or attention, be it positive or negative.
Therefore it is important to not give her any clue about how you REALLY feel as it would feed her ego, specially when you suffer (!!!) Incomprehensible. It is also a HUGE compliment how many people are envious of them.
Infact my bad man told me with pride how many hearts he had broken, right at the beginning of the relationshit, a HUGE red flag that I did not honor; to her it is of no importance which reaction you have, and to have another broken heart on her list is good news for her. The more miserable you feel the better for her. In her twisted mind it is a compliment! IF she wants to notice; but eventually you are just an empty can she carelessly kicks around on her way to the next.
And the very worst for her is to realize that you live a happy life without her. That is what they are after as they are basically very unhappy people who do not trust anybody and who are envious of the happy ones. They think that they can get happiness through money, but they do not know that the REALLY important things you cannot buy with all the money in the world: true love, happiness, health, trust, friendship, real respect.
When you are thinking of her, you give her space in your brain, and the brain can UNlearn, just say STOP. There are very helpful articles in the archives.
I recommend you to read as much as possible in the archives here, as knowledge is power, as Oxy says, and another very important phrase to start with: THe truth will set you free, but first it pithes you off.
And as the master thesis in Spathology you might, in the future, when the time to do so has come, think of building your own invisible defense line that no evil boat will come ever near your precious shore again.
But the most important at the moment is asking yourself what you need NOW, be it a man-to-man-talk with a friend, exercise, maybe some boxing lessons or spinning to get rid of the excess power you feel inside, or just a pampering day in a sauna, a walk and then a nice meal? I wish you all the best.
(((((Hugs)))))