When you live with a sociopath or psychopath (the difference will be the subject of a future article) you find yourself analyzing everything he (or she if you were unfortunate enough to be targeted by the fifteen per cent that are estimated to be female) says can be a source of endless analysis.
The questions go something like this:
1) Why did he suddenly change? (Meaning why did he just go from being pleasant/kind/good/nice/reasonable to mean?)
2) What happened in his past that makes him act like this?
3) What did I say, do, fail to say, fail to do, that provoked him?
4) What if I do X. Y. Z? Or for that matter A. B. C. D. E. F. G. through W? (Maybe that will reach him.)
Sound familiar? How many hours have you spent trying to figure him out? Thousands? Hundreds of thousands? How long have you felt like a small animal trapped in a hamster wheel? These questions do not lead to the doorway out. Do everything you can to stop. Stop driving yourself crazy. (He’s already done enough of that.)
The more time you can spend not thinking about him (not easy) the better. Inside, in the midst of the madness, a small, still voice tells you that life should not have to hurt this much, that you did nothing to deserve this level of suffering and that there is a way out. That small and courageous voice is right.
Thank You Patricia!! When I was first discarded I entered a vortex of whys and what fors and what can I do to change the situation…. What had helped me most at that time was something that I read from Sandra Brown….”He does not deserve even one more second of your time” It takes a long time to really believe that normal individuals do not behave the way these disordered people do. And if we deal with them we need to be aware that using the Gray Rock technique might serve us best…..
Also to be aware that liars lie. If we believe anything they say once the mask is slipped, then we put ourselves in harms way….
Once we see the real pattern they follow it becomes very obvious that they do not have a broad bandwidth….they follow the dysfunctional behaviors that are classic for people with cluster B disorders!!!! The best way to deal with them is to separate ourselves from their wickedness.
Imara, thanks for your comment. I especially like your last line. As a psychotherapist for 30 years I realize it is unpopular to talk about evil, yet those of us in the know realize that this is exactly what we are dealing with.
To Patricia Jackson…I had a therapist once who, without giving or offering a diagnosis for my then husband, just clearly told me to “get away from him. He’s dangerous”. I should have listened to her then. I believe she saw the evil in him. Is this subject taboo for some or is there not adequate training to identify this?
therose;
Ironically, I had almost the identical situation. Therapists, like people in general, do not want to believe in evil or be so direct. Now that I can spot these “people” a mile away I am on the opposite side of the experience. Most people do not want to be told the truth and of course there is that old “kill the messenger’ mentality. Denial is such a comfy place until it shatters.
My therapist had a way of getting to the point because she knew I was in so much danger. She’s the one who told me “he sounds like a sociopath” and that I must not go near him again ever again in my life. She said she was afraid someone would end up dead and that it would probably be me, either at his hands or because I would kill myself.
Nothing is more direct than having an uninvolved third party professional tell me that I was probably going to die if I didn’t leave. It definitely had the intended effect. I left him that night.
Hello Patricia,
I am also in Colorado and have been dealing with a spath in the family courts for years. He is a wizard around the court ordered psychologists that are appointed to evaluate our case and make recommendations. We have an eight year old son and the last PRE we had has accused me of parental alienation and recommended an extended period of no contact with my son followed by therapeutic visits in which I am to admit/repent my alienating ways. This is an absolute nightmare! Every action I have taken to protect my child has been used against me.
What do we do when the psychologists have no clue about spaths and abuse?
You are so right. I don’t question myself anymore. Why did he leave? Who cares, the fact is that he had no respect for his family and discarded us. Asking why does not change anything. These days I find myself thinking less and less about him, my past, anything that involves him. I am living in the present. Like someone said “the future looks bright, the past is dark”. I am picking up the pieces and mess that he left. Ever since I filed for divorce and there is no contact whatsoever (only the attorneys communicate ) I feel empowered. I survived 20 years of abuse, I can handle anything that comes my way. Bring it on. The sociopath in my life taught me to be much stronger, more resilient and most important I am at peace now. I know for a fact that he is in agony because his only son wants nothing to do with him. He is the one who made that choice. Good luck to everyone.
Kaya;
Thanks for your comments, however remember your statement “I know he is in agony” would remove him from classification as a sociopath/psychopath. Actual sociopaths and psychopaths are incapable of emotionally agony. This is why they are unreachable and cannot alter their behavior.
Thank you for this clarification. Can you tell me why he keeps reaching out to his son , my son cut of all contact, he is 19. My family therapist diagnosed my husband as a narcissist/borderline sociopath. I personally think that he does not miss his son but rather the image of portraying the perfect father. Does that make sense? Thanks so much for your comment. I think what I really meant was “I wish he was in agony over his failed family. “
Thanks for your candor. Out of professional respect, I defer to your family therapist and encourage you to ask them for their opinion. If you would ever like to schedule a professional consult with me you can do so at TheCenterForFamilyPreservation.com
Thanks, Patricia
My father kept in communication with his children until we didn’t have any “use value” left, and then we were forgotten. My ex spent a great deal of time trying to keep me engaged even after he had moved on to a new woman. Kaya, sociopaths don’t like to lose control of their property. They keep after people until they decide it isn’t worth it anymore. Even then, they might pop up after years to see if they can still get a hook in us.
That small voice is saying that but the pain won’t stop nor the constant thinking about him. It actually has gotten worse. We were together for 15 years and have 4 children. I could write a 500 page on the emotional abuse I put up with. He tore me down to nothing, cheated numerous times, abused drugs and took no responsibility for anything. The good times were really good and the bad were really bad. We’ve now been seperated for 7 months but were still in touch over the kids even though I had an ex-parte on him. Yes, he still had that hold over me, knew just what to say. 2 weeks ago I was being promised the world and all the love, continuously telling me how much he missed the kids and me. Fast forward 2 days, yes 2 days, he’s in bed with my ex best friend (who is an ex because he had already cheated on me with her). Now they are in love and have found true happiness with each other. He has not spoken to our kids since. They can’t stand her either so they want nothing to do with her. I feel like a piece of trash throw away. I am broken and see no light. Yes, I have the kids and am lucky for that. But I just want the pain away.
accook, my heart hurts for you!!! Please know that one of the main diagnostic criteria that we can use that proves they are disordered is their inability to form caring empathic love in their relationships. He is unable to find “true happiness”… and we all understand that finding happiness is really an inside job!!!! Those two cheating hurtful people may deserve each other…. You please take loving tender care of yourself!!!! Find activities that you enjoy….and make yourself do them. Indulge yourself as best you can!!!! You may be a treasure that he discarded because he is ignorant of the value of the treasure!!! Allow yourself to interact only with people who recognize your value and admire the treasure!!!
Please just keep saying to yourself that he does not deserve even one more second of your valuable time!!!! Treat yourself with love and respect, and I’m sending you tons of it from me to you!!!!! Use mine freely till you get some for yourself!!!
As a personal experiencer and a psychotherapist for 30 years remember two things:
1) count yourself lucky that he has not discovered what he could do in the courts. Psychopaths are highly effective in getting full custody of children from even the most exquisite mothers.
2) Your experience is so recent. Recovery can take years. I hope you consider getting professional support.
Best to you.
accook, please hang in there. I, too, felt like you “trash thrown away”. It was 5 years ago (after being with him more than 10 years) that my mister wonderful turned into the devil incarnate overnight. He, too, left for the girl he was cheating on me with, married her and less than a year later, having had the marriage annulled, tried to run back to me. Of course, while he tried to convince me that he loved me and had made a mistake, the lies continued and he continued to see her all the while. This young woman tried to commit suicide when he left her (the first time), leaving 2 young teenagers for him to look after (not his). This story is just as crazy as the other stories you will read about on this site. I could go on and on.What I want to say though, is that your pain is real.Feel it, claim it and then do whatever you need to to let it go. HE! is the trash and best thrown away. Lucky for me, I never had any biological children with him. My son, who he helped raise for all those years, wants nothing to do with him and I’m glad. It may take years to truly feel whole again but it’s worth it. My ex lives in VERY close proximity to me but I have had NO CONTACT with him in at least seven months now. Of course I think about him but that is part of this sick aftermath they leave us with. The work continues for me everyday. I shy away from any new relationships because I don’t trust. Not yet. But I am happy. Of course, my ex is again back with “her”. I thought he was my soul mate but now I know he could see into my soul and use it to his advantage. My experience has truly made me a stronger person. My children think that I am more myself than I’ve ever been and say they admire that. I found something good out of the mess. But again, it’s day to day work on my part. If you cry any tears over this, and you will, let them be for yourself and your children that you’ve had the misfortune of meeting the devil.
I think the last one I was at would have been ZXZZ. Those questions are so familiar and so clear in my memory. It’s the answers that have always remained so clear. I think that is because I wasn’t asking the right questions. I was lucky enough to meet one of the 15% estimated to be female. I asked myself those questions during 5 years of seperation, making me emotionally unavailable for a the few possible connections that slipped through my defenses. At the end of those 5 years, swept off my feet again, though I didn’t yet know what a sociopath was, I knew what kind of abuse I was walking into… the kind that you think you can’t put your finger on, the kind you feel like you can’t point out to others, the kind that make you feel insane. She was so good at harvesting those feelings. It wasn’t until I was devalued until I finally was able to see her through other peoples eyes (the one person who saw and cared enough to share). It wasn’t until I was discarded (again) that I allowed good advice to set in. Today, over a year after her departure, because I have the children, and I’m just starting the divorce/custody process, I have to think about her more, as she lurks, keeping the children on a string. But, thanks in large part to this blog and other support groups, I’ve changed my thought process a bit. I changed my behavior in ways that were much more effective. I looked at my role. As a victim, I still played a role. I chose to project my ideals on to her.
Good advice from Patricia about “not questioning yourself”! About “psychopaths” versus “sociopaths,” here’s an account of a murder that happened way back in 1965. I’ve only changed one or two names and other details “to protect the innocent” (and the guilty), as it were. I wonder whether people think the perpetrator was a “psychopath,” a “sociopath,” or whatever, and what they think of the sentence he received for his crime.
This man—I’ll call him Lewis—was born on 27 July 1942. He was married on 27 April 1963, which made him just shy of 21 at the time. But his marriage only lasted a few months. He left his wife, claiming she was “abusive” to him, and had an affair with a young black woman.
Lewis must have gotten this woman pregnant in early October the same year, a bare six months after his marriage, because she bore a child to him on the Fourth of July the following year, 1964. (No problem remembering that date!) They named their baby girl Deborah.
Although the two of them were lodging together at the time, this black woman said she didn’t want the child. She felt she was “too young to be a mother.” After a few weeks she disappeared, leaving Lewis literally “holding the baby.”
For a few weeks Lewis did his best to look after little Debbie, getting help from babysitters while he worked his day job, since he had no family who could help him. But he didn’t feel up to the job of being a single father in the long term. So he found an older woman named Laura who was willing to act as foster mother to the baby for a while.
Laura and her husband looked after little Debbie for the next nine months of her life. But Lewis wanted to have the little girl permanently adopted, and he wasn’t having any luck. As fond as they were of the baby, Laura and her husband, who had four children of their own, felt they were too old to raise another child from infancy. They kept pushing Lewis to make some permanent arrangement for the child’s future before she got much older.
Lewis meanwhile was running into barriers of his own. Because the baby was of mixed race, back in the 1960s Lewis was having trouble finding anyone willing to adopt her. As if that wasn’t bad enough, because the baby’s mother had disappeared and couldn’t be traced, Lewis couldn’t get her official permission to have the child adopted. He did apply to an adoption agency, but they refused to help him because they believed the documents he gave them were forged.
But after much pressure from Laura about the baby’s future, Lewis was able to tell her in May of 1965 that the problem was solved. The baby’s mother had reappeared and changed her mind. She did want little Debbie after all. However, she’d moved to a city some distance away where she’d found a job, and Lewis was flying out there with the baby the very next day. He promised to let Laura know how Debbie was getting on as he drove away from her suburban home. When he left, the little girl was seven weeks shy of her first birthday.
The days passed, and turned into weeks, but Laura heard nothing further from Lewis. She called the house where he’d been lodging, but they said he’d left weeks before, leaving no forwarding address. Disappointed, Laura wondered if everything had gone as planned. She called the airline on which Lewis said he’d booked a flight. They had no record of anyone of his name taking a flight on the day he’d mentioned. Or the next day, or the next. Lewis and the baby seemed to have vanished off the face of the earth.
Weeks turned into months. Then in August of that year, a man was walking his dog in a nearby forest when he came across some tattered baby clothes lying on the ground. He poked at the bundle with his stick, and found to his horror that they were concealing the badly decayed body of a baby. Both hands and one foot were missing, having been chewed away by animals. The man called the police, and they published a description of the clothes the dead child had been wearing. Laura saw it on the television news. Right away she knew it was Debbie.
It didn’t take the police long to trace Lewis to the city he’d moved to and bring him back. Despite what he’d claimed, he never had reconnected with the child’s mother. It was all lies. At first he refused to cooperate with police inquiries. But after intense questioning, he eventually admitted he’d killed his baby daughter, the very same day he’d collected her from Laura’s home.
After a car journey during which the baby cried most of the time, he took her straight to a nearby river where he drowned her in deep water. After that, he wrapped the dead baby in a sheet, laid her on the floor of his car and bashed in her skull with two or three blows from a car jack. He didn’t have the means to bury her there and then, so he had to leave her in his car until the next day when he borrowed a spade from a friend, drove out into the woods and dug a shallow grave for the baby’s body. When he’d finished, it was lunchtime, so he went to a local bar and drank several brandies. He then met some friends in a nearby town and had a few beers with them. All along he kept up the pretense that nothing untoward had happened.
Asked to explain his actions, Lewis said:
Lewis claimed that after burying his little daughter, he had “said a prayer” before placing an old log over her grave. Afterwards he fortified himself with those shots of brandy. He went on to say:
Whether Lewis was sincere, or whether this was a bogus sob story to gain sympathy—not to mention whether he “had every right to do” such a violent deed—is up to the reader to judge. Though I can’t resist thinking that even if a parent did work himself up to perform an act of euthanasia on a child he supposedly “loved,” surely he would have chosen a gentler method of “putting the child to sleep,” such as smothering, instead of bashing in the poor kid’s head with a lump of iron.
I’ll only add that when Lewis, 23 years old by now, appeared in court to answer the charge of murdering little Debbie, he was able to find two doctors to give evidence in his defense. One of them said:
Would you buy that as an excuse? All of this happened in the ultra-“liberal” Sixties, when the latest and most “progressive” thinking about criminals held that they’re “not responsible” for their acts, that they “couldn’t help it” because they’d all had such a terrible childhood (and all the rest of it). So all we had to do was treat them kindly to make up for the dreadful time they’d had, and they’d soon reward us by reforming and leading upright lives from then on.
In this remarkable climate of forgiveness, Lewis was able to plead guilty to a lesser charge than murder—and the court accepted his plea. What’s more, he didn’t even have to serve any jail time! As he stood in court with tears in his eyes, the judge let him off with probation!
So what do you think? Did Lewis hoodwink the court? And was he a “psychopath,” a “sociopath,” or what?
In answer to your last two questions: yes and yes. Thanks for taking the time to tell up this tragic story.
What a terrible act this man committed . Being the wife (soon to be divorced) of a police officer I was often very afraid. What if he would kill me and stage my own suicide ? He was capable of about anything and I honestly think his sheriffs department would protect him. Even when he was active duty army and he was abusive, the so called “chain of command ” did everything to protect him. Not me,but they protected the abuser since he was a highly respected soldier. My husbands remarks “I would rather run your through a wood chipper than give you half of my army retirement in a divorce ” still scares me to this day. And then he had the nerve to file an injunction against me because he was “afraid” of me, which the judge dismissed right away. I am glad this evil being is out of my life and I truly hope he will move far away from us after the divorce.
I cherish the times I hear of a wise judge. So often I hear from my clients and colleagues of judges obeying the will of psychopaths. Thanks for your comments and please stay safe.
AcCook
I too felt like “trash” thrown away believe me. After 20 years it was the biggest shock to be discarded for a 20 something year old co worker of him. With time this feeling disappears. Of course it still hurts at times, what is only normal. I am trying to focus on myself and my son and we will go on as a “team and family of 2”. The so called family I was missing at first was an illusion. My husband was never a true part if it. As a husband and father you put your family before your own needs. I learned narcisisst and sociopath look out for their own pleasures and needs. I don’t miss his porn addiction, his lies and cheating. He is the one that belongs to the “garbage”, that is so right. Try to enforce the no contact. I had many slip ups at the beginning and I even begged him to come home. How ridiculous, he put his wedding band on the counter and told me he does not love me anymore. I knew there was another woman but he tried to “demonize” me in any way do his actions were justified to him. He cannot handle to tell the truth because this is what they do, lie and blame others. My son knows the truth and we can see it clearly now. Like I said we don’t want him and we don’t need him. If a man treats you right there will be no tears because a normal man doesn’t make you cry. Hang in there, things will get better. I have been there and I came out more resilient than I have ever been.
Trying to figure out a sociopath is like trying to figure out a Zen koan (sp). A Zen master might give his/her student a koan (riddle) such as, “What is the sound of one hand clapping?” The student strains and strains to figure out the answer. But after exhausting every mental pathway, the mind finally just gives up. At that point, there is an opening, and the student enters into the present moment. This is the intended purpose of the koan.
Similarly, after I broke up with the sociopath, I obsessed and obsessed, trying to figure out why and what if? I went down every imaginary pathway……what if he were to come back and I took him back? What if he really loved me deep down? Why would he say one thing then behave opposite? Around and around my mind would go for many many months, close to a year (which was a significant amount of time for a 3-month affair). Eventually, all the imaginary paths led to the same place: WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? I realized that no matter what the cause, contributing factors, or possible outcomes, NO MATTER WHAT I DID OR DIDN’T DO, HE WOULD END UP DESTROYING ME. All of my fantasies led to this conclusion over and over again. At a certain point, I just gave up and got on with my life. With one last cathartic cry, I was ready to let go. The obsessing had run its course.
Five years after the fact, I never figured out the what’s and why’s, and I don’t care anymore. It wasn’t until I read this article this morning that I realized how similar a sociopath is to a Zen koan. It’s a riddle that cannot be solved by an empathic person. Ironically, the only way to resolve it is to let it go. Giving these creatures our mental energy keeps us trapped in the imaginary relationship we wish we could have had and prevents us from moving on.
Amen, Stargazer!!!!
i’m doing that myself right now. my psychopth ex boyfriend is now “nice.” it started yesterday after two weeks of hell once again… aka his real self. it’s like i have to figure it out. in someway if i do… i will know who i am. because i have no feaking idea. i’m in so much pain right now. i got asked out by this man in april when i started my new job and was cutting down my hours at the job we both worked at. i picked up on the cycle quite fast but was confused about it all. i know now. :/
Having studied Buddhism and the kooks among us, I can answer your question, Stargazer.
To the Zen koan: “it is what it is”.
And regarding the socio/psychopaths: “they are what they are”.
This is Zen.
Love your Zen of Sociopaths! Fantastic!