No contact is of the utmost importance when it comes to recovering from any unhealthy relationship. Why, then, can it be so hard to maintain? How is it that we can do so well for long stretches and then become instant Jell-O with seemingly little warning?
Of the myriad of struggles we may experience during recovery, this seems to be one of the most common snags. The cold reality is that we are going through withdrawal and there is no methadone to ease the pain of this addiction. Making matters worse, each and every time we break it, the clock starts over, feeling worse than we did previously.
However, from experience, I know that we do get to the point where we truly do not care to emotionally interact with our past counterparts. We also genuinely get to the point where their attempts yield little or no emotional response from us. At the same time, I also know that the road to that place can be quite long and challenging.
Recently, I realized that another interesting snafu exists regarding the no contact rule: successful implementation with one individual often does not automatically carry over into other relationships where the same is necessary. Yes, we may pay better attention to various red flags and recognize certain behaviors and know what must be done, but that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily smooth sailing. However, with diligence, we can do it.
How can we fight the urge to talk, text, or write?
1. Examine the feelings causing the need to want contact
Other than in cases where we were so deeply involved that we became “addicted” to our pathological other halves, fear and old habits are two very common reasons we consider re-connecting with our pasts.
Believe it or not, one of my past no contact struggles was prompted by a dinner conversation with someone I had known much of my adult life. Over steak and a Stella (Artois) the nicest man in the world (not a psychopath) revealed that he was interested in a relationship with me. Instantly, the twinge from within took over. “Me?” I asked in a shocked, surprised, and probably fairly horrified voice. “Yes, you. You are beautiful, smart, and strong. What guy wouldn’t want that?”
From there it got fuzzy. I began to sweat profusely and my head began to spin. However, once I got past the shock, I mentally reviewed my past relationship life. The sad fact was that I didn’t think I could be attracted to a “nice” guy (an issue for another article, which, by the way, I now have totally figured out, at least in theory, even if not in practice.)
So, what did I want? Why did a nice person make me long to reconnect with someone I have absolutely no business being with? Much like a dieter looking for a cheeseburger, I wanted to travel back in time to something that felt more comfortable; I longed for an unhealthy relationship where I could give, give, and give some more, while only receiving small amounts of reciprocity along the way.
Being a “fixer,” giving more than I get comes naturally, but it shouldn’t and fear of the unknown and desire for familiarity should not be the driving force behind contact, especially when the outcome would not yield satisfying results. Thus, just because it’s comfortable, doesn’t mean we should return to it.
I resisted.
2. Examine what happened after the previous communications….and there probably were previous communications
It is likely that prior attempts did not work or we wouldn’t be here. No good can come of making contact with someone who either does not want it with us, is just not that into us, or is pathological. Therefore, we must examine our motives. What do we hope to achieve from our communication? Unless the answer is more heartache or irritation, which will send us reeling and feeling terrible, we should not do it.
How many times have we poured our hearts out and offered explanations for things not working if we wanted to make peace with an ex or ex-interest? How many times have we tried to explain “just one more time,” for some semblance of closure?
We are famous for owning everything; the things we should take responsibility for, as well as those we should absolutely not! They know this. It takes most of us concerted efforts to stop that…and we should stop it. Although counterintuitive, it will bring us to a better emotional place, as we take control of our own peace.
When I thought about all of this, I resisted.
3. Review “old material.”
Most of our counterparts assume we have short memories. In some ways we do, but not always. For most of us, it is in our nature to try to see the good in others and forgive. Many of us have also endured such extreme trauma that we block quite a bit out. However, for those of us who are savers of correspondence, it helps to resurrect what we have. It’s like relationship Soduko.
When last I felt weak over a past connection, I wanted to text to say something…anything, exactly what I didn’t know. I spent the better part of two hours talking myself out of doing so. While my heart and rational brain dueled like two pianos in a night club, I pulled up his name in my phone. Fortunately, I am not one to delete much, so I scrolled to the last break-up conversation (there are a few) and read what he had written. Needless to say, I put the phone down. There would be no text from me.
I decided that I did not really care for how he spoke to me in those texts. I re-visited the feelings the silent treatment that followed evoked. There was a time when I minimized the words, but not at that moment. The words were mean and I felt empty. I did not care that my reactions to them were not perfect (they were not.) I was able to re-live the experiences in my mind and chose me and my well being.
Likewise, years ago, I felt I needed reassurance that my decision to enlist no emotional contact with another individual was warranted. While years of experience should have been enough, the volumes of past e-mail and the journals I kept were what really told the tale. “Normal” was not part of the equation. The pathology in that correspondence was like graffiti on a wall and the ability to see the big picture, a written gift.
With that, I continued to resist.
4. Examine the situation objectively
What would you tell your girlfriend to do if she came to you for advice, assuming the tables were turned? If the answer is run, resist contact.
This goes hand in hand with using old material. We can pull from past conversations and experiences, re-examining the negative feelings those situations created, and acknowledging the red flags we noticed throughout our relationships. We should try to trust in our initial reactions to them. If we felt hurt before, they will hurt again once re-opened. It helps to step outside ourselves and recognize our own worth and beauty, just as we would a friend’s.
When I thought about how I’d counsel my bestie, I resisted.
5. Give it time
Sit on your desire to initiate contact for at least one week or some other extended period of time. It’s a good idea to use this time to think about all of the potential consequences. The wait will probably be worth it.
Isn’t this difficult? Trust me when I tell you, this goes against every fiber of my being, but the wait time will clear us for the option and allow us to choose what’s best for us, which is probably resisting.
What about when they dangle the carrot and casually contact us first?
Resist. Truly. Resist. Depending upon the circumstances, we may or may not choose to respond. Just as we did above, when we were thinking about initiating contact, we must ask ourselves what we hope to achieve by answering them, as well as what the consequences could be for either. If it is a communication that does not require a response or would send us backwards, we should let it go. If we choose to respond, keep it short and unemotional. If we cared or care more than they do, we are the ones at risk for becoming emotionally entangled again.
There is always the possibility that the contact may be legitimate, unless, of course, the person truly is pathological, which may or may not be the case. Regardless, if they tell us they are thinking about us or they miss us, they may. We may actually be on their minds. Truthfully, however, it probably means nothing near what we tend to turn it into.
Typically, when they make contact, they are merely “fishing” to check in on our emotional states. Our reactions act as barometers. Therefore, we should guard what we give back. We may truly no longer care, we may be full-on acting, or we may legitimately be somewhere in the middle. But that’s ours to know.
What do we want for the long haul?
So…we had a bad experience or two. That’s ok. What matters is that we part with a clearer picture of what we see for our futures. How do we want to feel and what are we willing to tolerate? No contact helps us stay the course.
While various things will undoubtedly wreak havoc with our desire to maintain no contact, understanding the roots of our struggles and using our tools can be incredibly helpful. Be strong, friends, and if you falter, know that it’s ok to re-set the clock, but also allow yourself extra care while dealing with the challenges that go hand in hand with that re-set.
Above all else, know that the day will come when the urge to re-connect will disappear for good. If the need repeats itself with another individual, use what you know as empowerment. If we were successful once, we can be successful again. Always learning, always improving.
I was doing fairly well with no contact. When one Sunday morning at church I looked back and there was my ex in the pew behind me. He had done this once before, but I had just been polite. But this time I was glad to see him and we hugged after church and he told me he came not just for church, but to see me. I said I was glad to see him too. He asked what I was doing later and I told him I had to go home and cook lunch and then go see my MOM. He always does this, like if he wants to dangle a date, but he never actually invites. Normally I would have invited him over for lunch, but I resisted that temptation. As we said goodbye he kinda leaned into me and I leaned back. I guess he was making me feel he still cared and there was a chance. I guess I was doing the same.
BUT LADIES YUH KNOW WHAT!
He has not called since. He was just testing how I still felt. He just plays mind games. At church I am captive, he knows where I will be Sunday morning, its a public place and I cant ask him to leave, and you have to be polite in that space, no scenes. It about control. He is in his 50s , never been married and he plays. He played me, loved bombed me so I was hooked. Lies deceit and games. Most normal folk would call up and say,” Hey I am going to visit your church tomorrow is that OK? ” But he must use the element of surprise. Its like a very benign form of stalking.
I have to get off the roller coaster he wants me to ride on, charming me up, then making me drop devastatingly with his silences and lies. I know he will turn up again, by then I hope I will have the strength to be very cool or ignore him altogether.
This is so typical of spaths, sounds exactly like my ex P’s behavior, especially the dangling. My ex did so much dangling of everything in every way. Frustrating and painful.
Consider the greyrock technique.http://www.lovefraud.com/2012/02/10/the-gray-rock-method-of-dealing-with-psychopaths/
Of course, it is easier said than done.
You probably wish you had not been as friendly and encouraging, so you probably won’t be that way next time. When my ex came along dangling and I didn’t respond, he would blame me for being unforgiving, etc, and for the lack of reconciliation. When I did respond positively, he lied and blamed me, so I may as well greyrock him.
AnnettePK
Ah yes. Another form of manipulation by my ex. Dangling is another word for the same experience I had. He’d imply, sometimes very strongly imply. And let people take it the way they wanted. Then later, when things went pearshaped, he could always claim, “I never said that.” and “I can’t help how people take things.” Only… when you KNOW what people conclude and you don’t correct their misunderstanding, then YES, he was accountable. LIES by omission are still LIES.
I could understand miscommunication but my ex would boast at the dinner table how he got someone to compromise their standards, and it was always by a sneaky method, by implying he was “helping” them or letting them assume something he KNEW was wrong. Just like making it clear to some woman he was available for an invite but not actually asking her out. See? He didn’t know WHY all these women kept coming on to him. They just did. He’s not responsible at all! He’s innocent… right? And hogs don’t like mud either. Dirtbag.
“It’s like a very benign form of stalking.” I had to read that again: “benign.” It’s a very subtle form of stalking, but benign, not really. There is no benign stalking.
Image of the day: Isn’t this what a spath is?
http://digg.com/video/the-very-definition-of-a-buzzkill?utm_source=digg&utm_medium=email
To Sistersister, Why do you say there is no benign stalking? I meant like harmless, although it is kind of off putting. I said to myself he has invaded all the spaces of my life , even church, which is my sanctuary. Now I find myself looking back on Sunday morning wondering if he is there. I guess he wins again. Kinda wishing he will turn up again and hoping he won’t.
Thank you all for putting a smile on my face about the r. situation. I no longer find it scary when it’s put in a humorous way.
To Alabaster: Good for you for seeing through him. You know that he is just wanting to be reassured of your love. Reassured that he has this control over you. Then he is off to do his own thing until next Sunday church service. And, who says you can’t exit your pew and go to sit in the single spot left in front pew of church right in front of the preacher?
this is so hard for me… can anyone relate…
when my spath or whatever he is…
accuses ME OF CHEATING OR BEING WITH OTHER MAN…
WHEN ALL ALONG HE IS WITH OTHER WOMEN.
I do not cheat. I do not sleep around.
He does… and accuses me of such.
He came to my office yesterday. He works with me… tho not for long they are firing him. he cried. he is a mess and clearly needs meds and help. I evewn offered to help him to get help as a friend.
he said…”I love you.. I want to be with you.. you are the most talented, beauitiful woman I have ever met… but I would never be able to trust you!You can’t be trusted Megan!”
What? You guys.. I have been known to be loyal to a fault.
YOU GUYS!!!!! i AM the most trustworthy girl on the planet.
I do not cheat. I was 100 percent dedicated. I do not sleep around and only have sex in a close relationship.
THIS IS HIS STUFF. NOt mine!
He cant trust me// b.c he is sick… b/c he is jealous. b/c he has not worked on his stuff. Not b/c I would ever ever ever cheat on my partner.
this is so hard to accept… b/c it is so hard not to take personally.
and yet… I can tell you right now.. he is in another woman’s bed AT THIS VERY MOMENT. i WOKE UP TO TEXTS WHILE I was sleeping that…'”Hmmmm Megan… You must be busy… that is why you are not ansering texts.” I HAD TAKEN A BENEDRYL AND WAS KNOCKED OUT..
i SHOULD not be having to defend myself my lovefraud family!
it is all so sick.
tomorrow is my one year anniversary of almost dying in a hospital of anorexia nervosa In Chicago. I thought I would have a boyfriend to celebrate with me. He is gone.
can anyone relate to how he twists things? I can never win.
I was in hallway at work yesterday talking to one of my patients on my cell phone. He accused me of talking to a guy!!!!!! What guy!
Please pray for me.
I love you all… I really do. My heart is just broken. He is very sick.
as Eliza Doolittle has said… “Im a good girl I am!”
I can so very much relate to the pain, confusion, and frustration, and utter heartbreak that you are experiencing right now.
My ex Psychopath accused me of many things, including sleeping with another guy (What guy?? was my response, too), while he was cheating on me. We were legally ‘married’ at the time. Spaths choose to project what they are doing on
I can relate to the fake tears and begging, which is a tactic spaths use to make others think they are too weak to control their choice of behaviors
Consider that your ex does not do anything to indicate that he cares about your well being. He appears to be deliberately doing things that leave you frustrated, blame and accuse you, refuse to take responsibility for his choice of behaviors, and leave you struggling to make an impossible love work while he does everything in his power to prevent it from working. My ex spath liked to see me struggle. He is a sadist, as are most spaths.
There is nothing you can do to help your ex. He isn’t your responsibility. You can take good care of yourself. He does not choose to do things in your best interest. He is harming you. Consider that the best thing you can do for yourself is to stop having contact with him. It is very difficult especially at first, but you will feel better and you will start to think more clearly, soon. You can always have contact with him again. Staying away from him does not prevent him from making positive changes in his life. Spaths do not change for the better because they like the results they get from doing what they do. Your ex has manipulated you into feeling responsible and guilty for him. You are not responsible for him, and he knows that on some level. He is playing a bunch of games with your mind, from what you describe.
Texting you at night is rude, expecting you to be available and not get rest is not being considerate of your health and well being. He is doing that to cover his cheating, and to blame you.
When a spath decides he is going to discard a person (they always discard people because it is fun for them), they wage a smear campaign and accuse the victim of all kinds of stuff to justify discarding the victim and to blame the victim for the discard.
I said a prayer for peace for you and relief from pain.
Congratulations on one year anniversary from recovery from anorexia. You deserve to celebrate your hard work and success over the past year. Even if you don’t have a boyfriend to celebrate with, you don’t have to let that stop you from celebrating with friends and family, or by yourself if you choose. You probably don’t feel like it now, but you can celebrate getting rid of a spath who is bringing you down, making you miserable, harming you, causing you stress, and who does not act in your best interest. I think you are ultimately blessed that your ex spath is being fired, so you don’t have to interact with him at work.
He has hooked you emotionally and psychologically, using your normal emotions and responses, so it is very difficult to stop interacting with him. He will also do whatever he can to keep you engaged with him as long as he thinks there’s some fun cat and mouse games in it for him. Consider making a commitment to having no contact in any way with him, for your own protection and well being.
kittylover,
It is very typical of an abusive personality to be very jealous and suspicious because they themselves are cheaters. So it makes sense that they project this behavior onto you. It is very typical. They do not understand how to be faithful so they can’t imagine you could be faithful.
I hope you are not fooled by his show of emotion to you and all his flattery. If a person cannot support their words with action, then the words are just hollow. Sociopaths are masters at hollow words. It’s called love bombing and they all do it when they want something from you.
Sounds like you have some issues to work on on your own without him making it worse. Anorexia is something to be taken seriously. I hope you can release this walking mess of a boyfriend and find some support.
thank you sooooooo much. Mess of a boyfriend…. I love that…. thank you Stargazer.
kittylover
It’s called “goading”. Why is he doing it? Well…with these types, there is a covert agenda.
It’s a waste of time trying to figure out what their angle is. But look at the outcome. He has you on the defense. As you note, you can never win. That’s right. Because these type see interactions NOT as relationships but as adversarial. And so they MUST “WIN”.
And as long as you allow any contact, even being humane (because you are a caring person), he is setting you up for his agenda. The only way to sever his ability to victimize you is to go NC. That won’t stop him but it will limit his ammo.
You don’t have to explain or defend yourself against the ridiculous. Now that I am away from my ex, I just say, “it was a bad situation that didn’t work out”. I don’t discuss my ex anywhere but here, and even then, in such generalities that no one here would be able to personally identify him or me.
And yes, I do relate. It’s also called SMEARING, where these type do all they can to make you look bad, for whatever covert agenda is in their head.
In my case, my ex was trying to maintain his image so he had to portray me as a gold digger and crazy/unstable. That way people gave him a pass for cheating on me and leaving me penniless. (His minions actually helped him hide community property so the settlement was very onesided, and they also helped him with NEW women, this all before I knew he had “moved on”, all done about a year before we separated.)
I suspect your dude is courting some woman trying to prove to her that he left because you cheated. That’s called triangulation, where he provokes the new victim into competing for poor little ol him, she’ll work her A* off jumping through hoops so he “chooses” her…. only when that happens, he’ll have trolled and found lots of new fish!
I am so sorry you are going through this. But you are far ahead of many of us who lost our homes, our community, our livelihoods, and our precious children. Take it as a blessing that it happened now, you could have lost way more.
Here’s one thing I promise, and that I know you know… you are a hell of a catch. Next time, don’t share your heart quite so fast. Share a bit, and observe what he does. The MAIN job we have in finding a life partner is to “guard our hearts, for out of it are the sources of life.”
And yes. He is very sick. Disgusting really.
tear of gratitude in my eyes notwhathesaidof me. thank you.
it’s a year ago that I went into a three month treatment.. a center for ptsd.. severe depression and anorexia. a year ago today. I am saddened that I do not have the partner who promised to celebrate my still being alive.
I do not have many friends here either as I just moved here.
love you all….
Kittylover, this evil guy is messing with your mind BIG TIME…you must not let him rent space in your head.
He is using “projection manipulation” (google) ie I cant trust you = it’s he who can not be trusted to manipulate you and to confuse you…to make you seem like you are going crazy. This is what sociopaths do = pure evil chaos to our minds = they do it on purpose = they love to see good,kind, handwork people break down. He is trying to break you mentally down…he is planting these crazy notions in your mind to get you to think over and over about him. This mental stress is to much for a normal person and will result in adrenal fatigue.
He is also using “gas lighting abuse” (google!!!!) to push you over the edge…this is his ultimate goal.
Read Lovefraud/everything on this site including the videos at the top and Women who love psychopaths by Sandra Brown they will give you knowledge of the mental games he is using!
Have you ever thought that the reason why you suffered from anorexia was because of this guy messing with your mind?
It is very very common for victims of sociopath abuse to end up taking drugs, drinking, binge eating or not eating because of all of the stress their abuser is putting them under something they never did before the sociopath entered their life. As they say Stress will kill you. See adrenalfatigue.org take the quiz/read/see the symptoms list, Drlam.com, mialundin.com
DO NOT TALK TO THIS GUY AGAIN…do not let him in your office tell your closest co worker if she sees him heading her away or attempting to talk with you to have her intervene by just coming over to you and saying that she needs you to look at her work. Do not tell this co worker about your personal life with this guy you dont her to go to hr which could get you fired because they are only hearing her version. If it becomes dangerous with this guy then you will have to go to HR and get them to help you out. Just tell the co worker that they guy is manipulative, verbally abusive to you and you think he is a sociopath this will prevent him from waging a ’smear campaign” against you in the office.
GO NO CONTACT WITH THIS GUY ASAP! Change you phone number, your email, your locks if he had a key to your home etc. This is the ONLY way to have peace in your life.
Sociopaths play nothing but mind games to destroy their target victims then move on to a new target victim and will do this craziness again.
thank you and bless you jan7. great advice.
I am so sad this am. It is unreal. What could I have done differently…
oh… it makes no sense b/c we are not dealing with real people. We cant reason with insanity.
but the loss is real. My big and tall fireman who promised to love and protect me. who had great conversations with me. who told me how beautiful and talented I was on on a reg basis.
he is gone. by his own choice… and saying it is bc I AM A LIAR!!!!!!!! What the?
big lovefraud hug.
I am in bed with my cat. feel as if I have been hit by a truck.
First off there is no greater support then from a sweetie little kitty cat…they know just how to give you a great hugs and support every day! (my little cat helped me though my pain too)
Second there was nothing you could have done to prevent him from leaving this is what these guys do…they come into a woman’s life then vanish then return then vanish and in between all of this they mess with the woman’s mind everyday to make the woman feel insecurity all to control her and for them to get away with their lying, cheating, abuse.
He is accomplishing exactly what he set out to do = make you think it’s your fault = make you think that you are the one cheating = to divert the attention away from his cheating. PLEASE dont take his bait, you must stop thinking about what he stated that he cant trust you these are all LIES. He is messing with your mind.
READ, READ, READ everything on sociopath abuse to open your mind to his con game this WILL set you free from his control.
see also psychopathfree.com, psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com, lisascott.com, afternarcissistabuse.com
It’s time to let go of this evil guy for good by educating yourself….you deserve so much better!!
You are going to be ok, it takes time, you are a good person know this!
Can someone respond to this or relate b/c it makes no sense.
as they say in 12 step meetings…. we can only recover if we are honest with ourselves.
I have something just horrible to admit. but I need help.
Yes… I have gone nc.
yes the guy is twisted.
but guess what?
I MISS HIM.
I CRAVE HIM.
I wish I could go back in time and fix everything.
I wish he were holding me and everything were okay.
I wish I had married him when he said he wanted to go to courthouse.
I wish I had not called a girl from his phone afer she texted him at 3 am…. but the smoke was everywhere… a dnot with just one woman.
I miss him. what the hell? what is wrong with me?
I wish he WOULD CALL ME. he will not however. I told him I did not want to be friends… that is how he keeps girls around to have sex with them when he wants. by being friends. no thanks
I miss the man that cried to me just one week ago… about how he had to stay high when he broke up with me b/c he couldnt get me out of his mind.
none of it makes sense.
If he knocked on my door and professed love…. I would be soo happy.
what is wrong with me????
I was in this for a real relationship. I was involved on a real level. I was for real and honest. sincere.
I miss the beautiful man he pretended to be… or did he? dear
god…. Ill never know what was real and what was not.
and he blames his discard of me on me. that I cannot be trusted. What?
any feedback much appreciated as I have crawled back into bed with my kitty cat. I have no energy. sadness weighing me down.
why do I miss a sociopath? why?
kittylover
Why do you miss a sociopath?
The simple answer is… because he filled a need and now that need is not being filled.
The full answer is much more complex, and one you need to know so you get through this.
Sociopaths are parasitic predators.
He did what many sociopaths do, he probed your vulnerabilities and found your most tender emotional places, and that’s where he latched on his soul sucking tentacles. When he attached his parasitic drains onto you, he anesthetized first with pleasure hormones. You experienced the pleasure as love, as approval, as connection.
Physiologically your body is responding to the severing of his parasitic drains, the pleasure hormones are turned off, the pain hormones are turned on. Eventually the pain hormones will turn off but it takes time. You can reduce the pain hormones by doing things to care for yourself, by loving yourself, by being social with others, in short intervals at first, and then longer times as your body learns to live without a parasite attached.
You MUST love yourself. Not just say the words, but do actual loving behaviors. This includes soothing yourself and doing things for your best interest, for example: eating right and making (VERY important for you) yourself go out of doors into nature as much as possible, striking up a passing convo with a stranger. I also recommend contacting Donna for help to find a therapist. It has to be someone who works with people who have been emotionally traumatized BY A PREDATOR. Not just ANY therapist but one that recognizes that you were targeted, you did NOTHING wrong.
If you could read the articles above, you’d find wisdom. Sometimes people phrase things in a way that resonates with the way you think. People come online and go, and not always when you need to be heard. Take comfort in that you are NORMAL, what you are experiencing is NORMAL. And that we can be of support because we’ve been through it too. READ past posts, you will find a kind of predictable emotional journey. The messages are there so that you don’t have to wait for answers.
Yes, you were in relationship. You are the one who is trustworthy, clearly he is the one who is not. He says TERRIBLE things because he knows your vulnerability, that it would hurt you. Your pain is his victory, it’s what he wanted from you all along. That’s what kind of personality he is, that’s what a sociopath is. They are NOT FULLY HUMAN. They LOOK human, but are missing that vital emotional component. (If you watch the news, you see that humans and the Neanderthal interacted, both LOOKED human, but their minds worked differently. The same goes with sociopaths. They LOOK human, but their brains are different.) The whole purpose of a sociopath is to use social interactions to get close enough to a person with a pure heart, attach to them and then drain them. Victims would never let them close if they didn’t disguise themselves.
Other people define this as an addiction. That’s not my viewpoint because I don’t think of making an emotional connection with a partner as an addiction. But understand, HE did not connect with emotion, HE merely attached his soul sucking drains. So SOME of your recovery is like cutting off a pleasure drug, because that’s the mechanism he used to attach.
Because of your medical history, You are VERY vulnerable. PLEASE get help from a therapist and PLEASE do what you learned to help yourself medically. I am very concerned for your well being. You are made for something wonderful and you MUST care for yourself so you can be available for it. Prayers are there for you but not enough. Please take action and care for yourself?
notwhathesaidofme…
your email means the world to me. I had to take benedryl to sleep last night and have woken up feeling even more depressed.
he texted me last night… at 11:44.. saying… “I hope you are okay. I am thinking of you.”
this is from a man who for sure is out with chics and sleeping with other chics as he never ever ever stayed at his own apartment. he cannot be alone for five mins. strangest thing I have ever seen.
I DID NOT REPLY!!!!! I am proud of myself for that. the strength is coming from you all on this site.
Yes…. I am soooo very tempted to send him this quote a got on one of my love sites on facebook… I soooooooo want to send it to him…. I do not want anything from him… but the quote would help him remember what he lost.
then again…. your post has helped me to see… it does not matter… his brain does not give a crap.
it would be like sending a love quote to a gorilla. actually.. gorillas are very very loving animals.. so not a good example… okay… how about an alligator. a cold, unfeeling, predatory, reptile.
I feel love for the people here. and I thank you.
I have an appt. with a therapist tues.
I want to my doctor and she is concerned. took bloodwork. I get results tomorrow which includes stds… so yes… I am freaking.
I may attend some 12 step groups… b/c yes… this is an addiction. for me it is. I am in withdrawal….
huge hug…. thank you.
You are doing great to keep away from your ex and to maintain No Contact. It is so hard, and you are taking good care of yourself by staying away from him and by remembering that he is twisted and that he is not good for you.
The way you feel is normal, and appropriate feelings to have in a committed relationship with a good man. You are grieving the loss of who he pretended to be and the things he gave you. You felt a normal bond with someone. Sadly, he tricked you. He betrayed you. He used your normal and appropriate responses to control and manipulate you. His blaming you is lies.
You had no way to know that he was lying. You feel like his leaving is your fault because he is manipulating you to feel that way. It is not true. He left because he felt like it, because he does not keep promises, he does not bond, and because he does not mind lying. There was and is nothing you can do to change his rotten choices.
I spent a lot of days curled up in bed with no energy to do anything. You will feel better. Your thoughts and feelings are going through a normal process, and you will feel good again. If you stay away from him no matter what and avoid all contact, you will recover sooner.
Take good care of yourself. Remember that you have experienced emotional trauma from betrayal, and if you take this into account and give yourself time to grieve you will get over it sooner.
Kittylover, we are designed as human beings for love, and you bonded with this man – or rather with the person he pretended to be. Whenever we go through a break-up, it can feel like a very primal abandonment, but with a sociopath it’s much worse because you cannot get any closure or answers. There is nothing you could have done and nothing you could do to make it turn out differently. They are not capable of bonding as we are. They can only pretend if it suits them in the moment. I’m so sorry that in your time of need you reached out to someone you thought was on your side. And he turned out to be your worst enemy. You will need to grieve for the loss of the relationship you believed you had with him, and it will hurt. There is no way around it. But the sooner you get it over with and the faster you begin to form real relationships with others – even one other such as a therapist – the easier it will be. Also, when you begin to fill some of your own needs and become more self-sufficient, you will feel less dependent on him. When you need someone so badly, you give so much power to that person. You need to take that power back. You truly do not need him in your life. You are stronger than you think.
hug stargazer. thank you sooooo much.
I told a friend at lunch today who is tired hearing about this “breakup”– I call it discard..
that I keep ruminating b/c my brain is looking for an answer!
are nightmares common after these encounters? must be….. cuz I am having them. Yuk. This too shall pass… and with support like this I am sure they will not last long.
I am blessed to have this site and you amazing people.
Nightmares are normal from emotional traumas. Like me, you probably have other symptoms of PTSD. I learned some helpful things by reading about PTSD, which is a normal response to abnormal/traumatic situation. Being betrayed, lied to, abused, abandoned, result in emotional trauma in normal people.
I totally agree! I developed an eating disorder (my first!) and lost 2 stones that I could not ‘afford’ to lose-ended up under care of my GP for that! I never slept properly-nightmares were a regular occurrence. Stress and depression had me ‘off-work’ for almost a year. And as has already been stated-the fact that you are dealing with someone as toxic and duplicitous as we all have here is the most painful aspect of it all. It erodes your mental, spiritual and physical well-being. Time, love of friends and learning that I was in fact with a psychopath really helped me. Then I found Lovefraud and that turned my life around.
someone support me now please… as you are…
but a friend just called me. he called her. my best friend.
he said THAT I AM THE ONE THAT LIED AN DID STUFF AND PUT HIM THRU HELL!!!!!
what the heck?
yeah… I did little things… like deleted things in my cell phone b/c he was a nut and went into my phone ten times a day and accues me of stuff that was not real…. even seeing a males name… yes I have friends… and accusing me of stuff.
our first few days of datying you guys…… first week of dating…
I had an already scheduled meeting with a nerd thru a girl at work in a dpartment in which I am trying to get into. marketing. this was not a romantic blind date… but a friend of the girl. a guy… who is in a Law of Attraction group.I met him at barnes and Noble for 45 wHOLE mins and was not interested in him romanticaly.
Yes… I told a fib to my new boyfriend and said I was meeting my friend Lisa. I had just met him…. just started dating and did not want him to think I was meeting up with a guy….I realy liked him… and did not want to scare him away.
wel… my fricking cell phone dialed him as I was at barnes and noble… there was nothing bad for him to hear… just me and this guy taling about God and Wayne Dyer and spirituality.
but…. yes…. I lied that I was with my fried Lisa… b/c I had just started dating Jerry… could not cancel this meeting that had been made weeksj prior….
Okay…. so I messed up. there was nothing romantic.
he sould not have ben in my phone and emails and fb.
but now I LOOK LIKE THE BAD GUY and he never ever lets me live these little fibs for protection down.
but he can discard me for days at a time and literally screw numerous women and lead them on….
all the while saying he loves me….
and that is okay?
and I am the bad guy?
someone help me please.
he has me feeling guilty.
if I had not done the barnes and noble date… or changed things in my cell phone b/c he had OCD with MY CELL PHONE AND WOULD NOT STOP GOING INTO IT WITCH HAD me scared 24/7…. b/c he could see anything…
a note from a male friend… and accuse me of something more.
Help me God…… please. Please!
he just told my friend… I put HIM THRU HELL!!!!
OH my
God.
she has not blocked his number.
thank you for listening and putting up with me.
am I the bad.. lying person he suggests?
No…. I cant be!
kittylover – you did nothing wrong and he did – and is doing – everything wrong. He is making you feel guilty, when he is the one who is guilty of deceiving and betraying you.
Ask your friend to block him. And if she doesn’t , she isn’t much of a friend to you.
Dear kittylover. I am sad to hear you are in the middle of the awful situation because I know how painful it is. I have read your posts and wanted to respond but could see that you were receiving good advice and I didn’t just want to repeat all the wisdom that had been shared with you.
One of the things that really struck me about what you said was that you told a ‘fib’ to this psycho when you first met him even though your meeting etc was innocent. Why did you lie? No ‘healthy’ man who has a genuine interest in you is going to become jealous and did-interested just because you have a meeting with colleague. So there is no need to lie…ever (in my opinion).
Alarm bells should ring when any man (especially a new one) starts going through your phone. This is to me the classic sign of a controlling person and he should have been dumped there and then!! ‘Healthy’ men understand that a grown woman will have friends of both sexes. Your life did not start when you met this person.
The fact that he “had OCD with MY CELL PHONE AND WOULD NOT STOP GOING INTO IT WITCH HAD me scared 24/7”. b/c he could see anything”” is a major warning sign as far as I am concerned and definitely a clear sign that he is psycho.Jealousy is not a positive emotion.
I had the same jealous questioning with my psycho who had the cheek to say that no man should ever come into my home without him being here (including workmen)! I thought it was hilarious as I had no intention of ‘getting rid’ of my good supportive male friends of many years. I refused to take any notice and carried on as I was. He had the choice-either put up with it/get over it or move on! He had no choice.
The fact that this man is speaking to people you know and slandering you is all part of making himself look good. He has no choice if he is to justify his behaviour.
I went through all of this and it nearly drove me mad (literally). I went from being a healthy happy-go-lucky woman to a nervous wreck. All my friends could see the damage the relationship was causing. He had a minion who used to give him work. As soon as I came on the scene this minion was very jealous and threatened to stop employing psycho if he continued to see me. I know for a fact that psycho slandered me and made me look as though I was the ‘nutter’, hiding his abusive behaviour at the same time. That caused me enormous distress as it was totally untrue. But he had to do that in order to maintain the relationship with his minion as it meant work and more importantly £££. Your friend should be loyal if she is truly your friend. Now is not the time to have disloyal people in your life kittylover.
This man, although you say is handsome clearly has a very ugly personality and no amount of ‘good looks’ can make up for the abuse you WILL go on to suffer at the hands of this person. You sound like a good person. Please stay strong. You have DONE NOTHING WRONG. All you did was to give your heart to someone who clearly never deserved it. Give yourself time to grieve and then to heal. And keep writing here. It helped me and I know it will help you too. You are not alone kittylover. Love yourself, treat yourself as kindly as you would if all this was happening to your best friend.
thank you so much. so much.
Kittylover
A friend is a friend! Loyalty is part of a true friendship! If she is loyal to the ex then she is not your friend!
When things settle down a bit for you and you are back on your feet a bit, you may be able to respond to people he has lied to about you something like this. “I’m not surprised he told you stuff like that. He has been telling lots of lies to lots of people. He cheated on me and it’s over. I’m trying to move on and so I don’t want to talk about him anymore. Thanks for helping me by not mentioning him to me.”
Then you go one to talk about something else that interests whomever you’re conversing with.
In this way, you show people, without defending yourself against his lies about you, that you are rational and balanced and you make him look like the jerk he is for bad mouthing you. It can work very well because you rise above the BS he creates.
Kittylover, this is called a “smear campaign” and all sociopaths do it. When I was just starting to figure out that guy I was dating was a pathological liar, I had one of my close girlfriends call him and 3-way me in. He didn’t know I was listening in on another line. I heard him lie to her three times. And it was so convincing that she believed him! It took a lot of convincing on my part to get her to believe he was lying because he sounded SO sincere. This is what they do. This is their game. Be prepared for more if you stay in contact with him.
Please listen to Donna. Tell your friend to block him. If she is a true friend she will break contact with him to support you. If she stays in contact with him – and especially if she believes him – you will need to drop her, too. Do it swiftly and completely. You may tell her why one time, then be done with it.
Breaking up with a sociopath is no easy thing. There is usually a lot of collateral damage. Whatever and whomever you have to cut ties with to be free of him, do it. You can and will rebuild new friendships and relationships.