In a prior post, I discussed some differences between the narcissist and sociopath, a focus I’d like to continue in this post. For convenience’s sake, I’m going to use “he” and “him” throughout, although we can agree that “she” and “her” could easily be substituted.
The narcissist, if I were to boil his style down to one sentence, is someone who demands that his sense of self (and self-importance) be propped-up on a continual basis. Without this support—in the form of validation, recognition, and experiences of idealization—the narcissist feels depleted, empty, depressed.
The narcissist struggles to define himself independently and sustainedly as significant and worthwhile. The fragility of his sense of self is no big news; it is how he manages his fragility, his insecurity, that is telling.
The narcissist, for instance, feels entitled to a sense of inner comfort and security. More specifically, he feels entitled to what he requires in order to experience an unbroken state of inner comfort.
But wait a second? Don’t we all feel somewhat entitled to what we need in order to feel secure and comfortable?
Most of us, after all, feel entitled to the air we breath that keeps us alive. You might feel entitled, when dehydrated, to a cold stream of water from your kitchen faucet? Imagine feeling an intense thirst, yet when you twist the faucet, no water comes out? The pipes are empty”¦everywhere in the house.
You are deeply thirsty, and yet the water you count on to salve your thirst is being withheld. In this circumstance, especially if your thirst is great, you might feel outraged? Incensed? Even panicked?
You might even feel furious enough to hurl curses and imprecations on the forces conspiring to frustrate your thirst!
Imagine the narcissist’s thirst as constant and deep—a thirst for things like recognition, appreciation, for validation of his importance, and special signifigance. When the narcissist’s thirst for recognition is unmet, it is no small matter—anymore than it would be a small matter to find a spigot unresponsive in the midst of your urgent thirst.
In other words, the frustration of his demand of recognition is a major disappointment, a major problem for the narcissist—a problem felt not merely as an inconvenience, but as a threat to his fundamental equilibrium, sense of security, and comfort.
In a certain sense, then, that the narcissist feels “entitled” doesn’t make him a narcissist. It is what he feels “entitled to” that is most relevant.
Specifically, it is his sense of entitlement to an undisturbed stream of others’ approval, admiration and recognition that most separates the narcissist from the non-narcissist.
But the narcissist demands more than others’ idealization; he also demands others to idealize. The narcissist needs to idealize others.
For instance, when he finally meets, yet again, the “perfect woman,” he puts her on a pedestal—i.e., he idealizes her. Idealizing her—putting her on a pedestal—makes for thrill and excitement (which, by the way, he misjudges again and again as fulfillment).
After all, he is tasting perfection. He must be pretty special to have the enviable attention of someone so perfectly, admirably beautiful. He looks and feels good thanks to the reflection of her perfection on himself.
One of many problems here is that idealized states are inherently temporary and unsustainable; they don’t hold up permanently; they are fraught all the time with dangers of collapse.
Thus, the narcissist can’t permanently hold his idealizations. And he finds their collapse, over and over again, discouraging and deeply disillusioning. But instead of recognizing the futility of his need, he will blame the formerly idealized object for failing to have remained as perfect, and perfectly satisfying, as he demanded.
The narcissist loses something urgent here, namely the key to his feeling of vitality. Inarticulately, he feels betrayed; and in his sense of betrayal, he feels angry, even enraged.
Enter his “contempt.” The underbelly of the narcissist’s idealizing is his contempt. The narcissist tends to vacillate between experiences of idealization and contempt. In either case (or “state”), others are regarded as objects—objects, we shall see, not quite in the sense that sociopaths regard others as objects.
For the narcissist, others have an obligation to maintain his peace of mind. In the narcissist’s world, it is on others, through their cooperation with his demands, to ensure his ongoing inner comfort and satisfaction. When meeting his demands, others are idealized; when disappointing him, they are devalued contemptuously.
What else does the narcissist demand? The narcissist on pretty much a constant basis demands various forms of reassurance. It may be reassurance of his attractiveness, superiority, special status in a girlfriend’s eyes (and history). He may seek reassurance of his virility, that he is still feared, respected, admired, idealized, and otherwise perceived as impressive.
For the narcissist, such reassurance, even when felt, proves always only temporarily satisfying, and is translated as something like, “I’m okay, for now. I’ve still got it. I’m still viable.”
In his pursuit of reassurance, the narcissist is a very controlling individual. His controlling tendencies arise from his desperation—his desperation, that is, for the reassurance he demands. And desperate people tend to be heedless of the boundaries of those who have what they want.
The narcissist, for instance, may grill his partner controllingly about her ex-boyfriends in order to establish (demand assurances of) his unique, special status with her. Or, he may text her during the day compulsively, in the guise of his interest in, and love, for her, when, in fact, it is not about his love or interest but rather about his demand to know that she is thinking about him that drives his invasive behavior.
He will rationalize his invasiveness as his thoughtfulness and love of her. And he will feel entitled to an immediately reassuring response, anything less than which will activate his anger/rage.
The narcissist’s legendary self-centeredness, to some extent, is a function of the fact that so much, if not all, of his energy is invested in resolving anxious questions about his present standing.
He is vigilantly afraid lest his present, fragilely, and externally supported status be upended, a development he struggles to tolerate. Consumed as he is with obviating this disaster, he has little energy left with which to be genuinely interested in others.
How about the sociopath? What’s his deal?
To begin with, the sociopath lacks the narcissist’s insatiable underlying neediness. Unlike the narcissist, the sociopath’s violating behaviors stem less from a deep insecurity than from his impulsive or calculated greed, and especially his basic view of others as objects, as tools, to be exploited for his entertainment, amusement and ongoing acquisitive agenda.
The sociopath is a more purely exploitative individual than the narcissist. For the narcissist, others are desperately needed, and demanded, as validators. Athough the narcissist will use and exploit others, he does so typically with the ulterior motive of reassuring himself, on some level, of his persisting viability.
For the sociopath, others are his potential “play-things,” their value a function of the gratification that can be extracted from them.
The less validating you are, the less worth you have for the narcissist.
The less exploitable you are, the less worth you have for the sociopath.
Said differently, the narcissist uses others as a means to establish (or reestablish) the sense, and view, of himself, as special, impressive, dominant, compelling, whereas the sociopath uses others more for the pure amusement of it; more for the sheer entertainment of seeing what he can get away with (and how); and/or for the immediate satisfaction of his present tensions, itch, and/or greed.
The term “malignant narcissist” seems to me to describe the sociopath more accurately than the narcissist. This term has been used to describe megalomaniacal individuals whose grandiosity and sinister appetite for control (over others) better reflect, to my mind, psychopathic processes of exploitation.
The “malignant narcissist” is, to my mind, driven by the sociopath’s (or psychopath’s) pursuit of omnipotent control over those he seeks to exploit. He is a power-hungry, often charismatic, ruthless and exploitative personality whose grandiosity serves more psychopathic than classically narcissistic purposes.
Don’t misunderstand me: The malignant narcissist is someone whose most toxic narcissistic qualities have attained malignant status (hence the concept). In the end, however, he is as coldblooded, callous, exploitative and deviant a creature as the most dangerous sociopath.
Does it matter, finally, whether a cult figure like, say, Jim Jones, who led hundreds of his followers to mass suicide, was a “malignant narcissist” or psychopath? Not if you regard the terms, and destructiveness of the personalities, as essentially indistinguishable, as I do.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
LOLOL!!
Wish I could just take y’all out for dinner. 😀
Sur: You wanna pay my cell phone bill so I can stay “real” another month?
Seriously, if this guy has — out of his twisted personality crap — given you $3K, then take the money and use it well.
If you believe in God, Universe, “truth, justice and the American way,” then use that money in a way that will help people who have been driven into the ground by people who are in the grip of this personality disorder.
If I could figure out a way to get lawyers like that to write off their tax-deductible donations by contributing to the support of people like us, I would be all over it. Now. For real.
Hey Sur: Second level here — If you gave the money to a charity that helped people like those that types like him hurt — well, wouldn’t that be the ultimate twisted knickers?
Oh, do we have another item for the LF store? Twisted knickers?
And I don’t mean to say that you haven’t lost in your dealings with him. Just that so often these creatures really do reduce their kind, compassionate “targets” to rubble in the process of doing what they do. And there is generally no recourse.
Keeping Faith – Thanks for inspiring todays “thought for the day” – Hope you dont mind if I use your words from yesterday…
“TODAY starts about me. We live our lives taking care of others, doing things for husbands, significant others, parents, children, working full time, taking care of a home and friends,— and we forget to be selfish if that’s what it is called.
I WANT to feel ok about all of this so I can move on. I WANT to remember this relationship for what it was worth. (a lesson about a disorder individual whom I will never truly know or understand and a lesson learned re: myself and what i really desire in a relationship) Basics first:
TRUTHFULLNESS
FIDELITY
RESPECT
INTEGRITY (he does what he says)
If the basics aren’t there, he is not worthy of me or my time. No more time lost. Life is too short. We are too important and have too much good stuff to offer. I am significant today and I am moving from this. He/She is not worthy of one more thought.”
THAT SHOULD BE OUR GOAL, AND GOD WILLING WE WILL BE RID OF THE THOUGHTS THAT WE STRUGGLE WITH AS WELL AS USE TO HEAL WITH.
S/P/N’S are not well and would benefit so – from rewiring, rethinking, learning, WANTING and TRYING to fix themselves. Newsflash: They wont! They dont see anything wrong with the way the are. They dont feel they need to be “fixed” – YOU CANT DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE THAT OR THEM. Would have to come from within them. Rare is there a S/N/P working on himself for personal healing, growth. Instead they prey on others weaknesses.Their instinct is to prey/pounce on someones weaknesses.
Em-paths, Caregivers, Fixers, kindhearts, (whatever we are:) can end up not being well in the world too – if we dont set boundaries, and start rewiring, rethinking, learning, wanting, trying and DOING the things to FIX ourselves. Often our relationship with an N/S/P begins because we see their weaknesses/hard times/just need time to get ahead or out from under /blah blah blah…our instinct is to HELP when someone is weak. Their instinct is to prey/pounce on someones weakness. We need to learn the red flags, we need to learn SELF PRESERVATION! If we choose to befriend someone, help someone. love someone – we absolutely are amazing creatures at that – buy we must always do so with healthy doses of SelfISHness, Self-respect and Self-worth. Otherwise we are just allowing ourselves to be used and abused – and can only point the finger at ourselves – for that.
Just like the N/S/P can truly only point the finger at himself each and everytime another one exits his/her life (or is fortunate enough to escape) tho looking at themselves is much too difficult for them so they blame you, use you, abuse you and leech on to you til you figure out its either your life or theirs you are existing for. For to be with them, you are truly giving up your spirit and soul, in order to call it a relationship.
Thought for the day…
Correction : **OFTEN OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH AN N/S/P BEGINS BECAUSE THEY ARE WEARING A MASK AND PRETENDING NOT TO BE A N/S/P! ONCE THEY HAVE “ACTED” THEIR WAY INTO OUR LIVES, OFTEN THEY NEED HELP, OR ARE DOWN ON THEIR LUCK, OR HAVE TALES OF WOES, AND APPEAR WEAK AND IN NEED…IT IS OUR NATURE TO HELP, GET INVOLVED, FIX, DO GOOD, BEFRIEND, BE LOVING – JACKPOT, BINGO, PAYDIRT FOR AN N/S/P! MASK FALLS OFF AND ITS SMOOTH SAILING – TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THEIR VICTIM TIL THEY NO LONGER CAN.**
Hi Rune,
I didn’t really lose anything with mine, except little pieces of myself that I hope to get back someday. 😉 He wasn’t after money; has plenty of his own ….. somehow he manages to function enough to be well off. (I’m not a money giver, anyway — so I would not be the right target for THAT kind of S!)
But, he owes me for the aggravation and embarrassment.
The transaction has still not been reversed by the bank. Update to follow on Monday. LOL. 😉
I hope everyone has a very HAPPY weekend!
Narcissism: I am just ending a 10 month relationship with a true narcissistic user. I want to thanl all of you who contributed to this article because I would still be wondering if it was ME and not him …I maybe I was the oversensitive one, maybe I was the one causing the problem as he always stated.
Today, I found him on a date site and wasn’t even aware that we were officially broken up… reason for date site is because he knows my biggest fear of any relationship would be a cheating partner. Throughout the relationship he was exteremely stingy and cheap with me, yet treating his 8 yr old daughter like a queen (as is rightfully so BUT he is doing it for the wrong reasons.) He would take her to expensive hotels/restaurants/vacations while I on our rare dates got appertizers or a pizza meal. He made me pay my way for almost everything we did and had me running around using my time,gas,energy,money for his comfort and never thanked me.
His hold over me was, me never meeting his daughter because he knows I desperately wanted to be involved in their time together as he made me feel inferior to them both. He had an obsessive hold on his daughter over his ex wife and did things to hurt the ex – I had to look on and watch as he made weekend plans to take trips away and plan for future events without being included. Yet, he professed to love and be in-love with me as long as I was there for his convenience. Xmas and N/Year was spent at the ex’s house I did not get to see him at all – he knew this would hurt my feelings and did it to hurt his ex b/c she foolishly wants him back.
I could not have done more for this man- 8 hrs painting his daughters new bedroom then being told that i was not allowed to go into it – almost as if I was tainting her room.
He wore very expensive clothing, a $10k rolex and everyone had to know the value of everything he owned, stories of all his travels all over the world, gave me headaches after hearing it over and over again, pumping his ego bigger each time.
I put up mostly with his arrogance and rudeness toward me in private and public – calling me bad names ..then turning it into a “joke” as if I had no sense of humor and making me feel guilty when i said anything.
Well Im free – I am happy that i read this article and others’ experiences with this very nasty narcissistic trait!
Thank you all for saving my soul – it would’ve gone on for longer and I know im going to hurt but at least I “see’ him in a different light now.
gem, welcome. this is a good place. come whenever you feel the need as you go on.
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Dear Gem,
Yes, glad you are here, this is a healing place and the people here do “get it” about what you have experienced.
I suggest you read all the articles in the archives as you heal. KNOWLEDGE=POWER and you can take back your power for this man to hurt and demean you!
He sounds VERY TYPICAL! Again, welcome!
Jim,
The more I think about your “friend” who was obviously traumatized by her X, the more I think that she is so damaged (at this point) that if she did start on the road to Healing, that she is way down “lower” on the road than you are.
I don’t think yet that she has figured out WHAT hit her, and she is generalizing it to “all men are dangerous” or “loving any man is dangerous” and with that attitude she will always be a wounded bird unless she DOES start to realize WHAT hit her—not just a man, but a PSYCHOPATHIC ONE.
That being the case, and with you in a much more “advanced” stage of healing, it sounds to me like it would be a match that wouldn’t match, no matter how many other things you had in common. I think she is still in TERROR and so much pain that she is going to “flinch” any time she starts to have feelings for anyone. Do you really want to get involved with that kind of bleeding wound on a “relationship” basis?
The guy I was seeing just as a friend (no romantic relationship yet) was still pushing his feelings of his anger etc DOWN rather than healing them, not facing them and resolving them and they would be triggered at such odd times by such odd things (no pattern there) and he would just “burst” out with an angry tirade…and no explination, no apology, just “pretended it hadn’t happened” after the third one, I WALKED out in the middle of it and have not spoken to him since. I wasn’t willing to try to take on a “fixer-upper” no matter HOW justified his anger at his x-wife was, because he was generalizing it to ME and I had no idea what I did to “Trigger” it because it didn’t make any sense why he would respond like he did. I saw NO conflict but he obviously did see something. ONe instance was when he accidently ran over my old deaf dog, and he screamed at ME for it happening, and I was puzzled and of course in the pain, trauma etc. of having to put her down immediately (she was internally crushed) I wasn’t very functional myself at the time. I let it slide. The last time though was he screamed at me because I didn’t exercise my “rights” to immediate access to some papers having to do with my X-DIL’s arrest. The DA’s office was closed on a friday afternoon, and I was going back monday to get them, he screamed at me that I should have gotten the sheriff to open the office, that I had FOIA RIGHTS (which he was wrong about, but that’s immaterial) to the documents IMMEDIATELY. I kept on trying to tell him it was no big deal, I would get them monday and he kept on raging and told me I was STUPID. That was the end right there—I beat a hasty retreat and haven’t seen him sense.
Even though I KNOW (I think) why he had anger issues, I am not interested in dealing with them. As a friend, if he had shown willingness to discuss these things with me, I would have been glad to help him work them out, but (A) he was NOT willing to even acknowledge how inappropriate his behavior was (B) he showed no willingness to change it and (C) I am not going to put myself at risk for more hurt from anyone romantically or as a friend no matter WHY they are like they are, or who wounded them, if they show no intention of making some CHANGES in the way they treat me.
Name calling is unnecessary, disrespectful, etc. so BYE-BYE. I don’t need it.
I think this lady you are trying to befriend is so terrorised by her past experience that she isn’t able to truly trust anyone, especially herself. That’s a shame, and maybe you can steer her toward some healing information, but my guess is that she won’t let you close enough to have a relationship with her as even a friend. I think she might be attracted toyou is why she is so terrified.