In a prior post, I discussed some differences between the narcissist and sociopath, a focus I’d like to continue in this post. For convenience’s sake, I’m going to use “he” and “him” throughout, although we can agree that “she” and “her” could easily be substituted.
The narcissist, if I were to boil his style down to one sentence, is someone who demands that his sense of self (and self-importance) be propped-up on a continual basis. Without this support—in the form of validation, recognition, and experiences of idealization—the narcissist feels depleted, empty, depressed.
The narcissist struggles to define himself independently and sustainedly as significant and worthwhile. The fragility of his sense of self is no big news; it is how he manages his fragility, his insecurity, that is telling.
The narcissist, for instance, feels entitled to a sense of inner comfort and security. More specifically, he feels entitled to what he requires in order to experience an unbroken state of inner comfort.
But wait a second? Don’t we all feel somewhat entitled to what we need in order to feel secure and comfortable?
Most of us, after all, feel entitled to the air we breath that keeps us alive. You might feel entitled, when dehydrated, to a cold stream of water from your kitchen faucet? Imagine feeling an intense thirst, yet when you twist the faucet, no water comes out? The pipes are empty”¦everywhere in the house.
You are deeply thirsty, and yet the water you count on to salve your thirst is being withheld. In this circumstance, especially if your thirst is great, you might feel outraged? Incensed? Even panicked?
You might even feel furious enough to hurl curses and imprecations on the forces conspiring to frustrate your thirst!
Imagine the narcissist’s thirst as constant and deep—a thirst for things like recognition, appreciation, for validation of his importance, and special signifigance. When the narcissist’s thirst for recognition is unmet, it is no small matter—anymore than it would be a small matter to find a spigot unresponsive in the midst of your urgent thirst.
In other words, the frustration of his demand of recognition is a major disappointment, a major problem for the narcissist—a problem felt not merely as an inconvenience, but as a threat to his fundamental equilibrium, sense of security, and comfort.
In a certain sense, then, that the narcissist feels “entitled” doesn’t make him a narcissist. It is what he feels “entitled to” that is most relevant.
Specifically, it is his sense of entitlement to an undisturbed stream of others’ approval, admiration and recognition that most separates the narcissist from the non-narcissist.
But the narcissist demands more than others’ idealization; he also demands others to idealize. The narcissist needs to idealize others.
For instance, when he finally meets, yet again, the “perfect woman,” he puts her on a pedestal—i.e., he idealizes her. Idealizing her—putting her on a pedestal—makes for thrill and excitement (which, by the way, he misjudges again and again as fulfillment).
After all, he is tasting perfection. He must be pretty special to have the enviable attention of someone so perfectly, admirably beautiful. He looks and feels good thanks to the reflection of her perfection on himself.
One of many problems here is that idealized states are inherently temporary and unsustainable; they don’t hold up permanently; they are fraught all the time with dangers of collapse.
Thus, the narcissist can’t permanently hold his idealizations. And he finds their collapse, over and over again, discouraging and deeply disillusioning. But instead of recognizing the futility of his need, he will blame the formerly idealized object for failing to have remained as perfect, and perfectly satisfying, as he demanded.
The narcissist loses something urgent here, namely the key to his feeling of vitality. Inarticulately, he feels betrayed; and in his sense of betrayal, he feels angry, even enraged.
Enter his “contempt.” The underbelly of the narcissist’s idealizing is his contempt. The narcissist tends to vacillate between experiences of idealization and contempt. In either case (or “state”), others are regarded as objects—objects, we shall see, not quite in the sense that sociopaths regard others as objects.
For the narcissist, others have an obligation to maintain his peace of mind. In the narcissist’s world, it is on others, through their cooperation with his demands, to ensure his ongoing inner comfort and satisfaction. When meeting his demands, others are idealized; when disappointing him, they are devalued contemptuously.
What else does the narcissist demand? The narcissist on pretty much a constant basis demands various forms of reassurance. It may be reassurance of his attractiveness, superiority, special status in a girlfriend’s eyes (and history). He may seek reassurance of his virility, that he is still feared, respected, admired, idealized, and otherwise perceived as impressive.
For the narcissist, such reassurance, even when felt, proves always only temporarily satisfying, and is translated as something like, “I’m okay, for now. I’ve still got it. I’m still viable.”
In his pursuit of reassurance, the narcissist is a very controlling individual. His controlling tendencies arise from his desperation—his desperation, that is, for the reassurance he demands. And desperate people tend to be heedless of the boundaries of those who have what they want.
The narcissist, for instance, may grill his partner controllingly about her ex-boyfriends in order to establish (demand assurances of) his unique, special status with her. Or, he may text her during the day compulsively, in the guise of his interest in, and love, for her, when, in fact, it is not about his love or interest but rather about his demand to know that she is thinking about him that drives his invasive behavior.
He will rationalize his invasiveness as his thoughtfulness and love of her. And he will feel entitled to an immediately reassuring response, anything less than which will activate his anger/rage.
The narcissist’s legendary self-centeredness, to some extent, is a function of the fact that so much, if not all, of his energy is invested in resolving anxious questions about his present standing.
He is vigilantly afraid lest his present, fragilely, and externally supported status be upended, a development he struggles to tolerate. Consumed as he is with obviating this disaster, he has little energy left with which to be genuinely interested in others.
How about the sociopath? What’s his deal?
To begin with, the sociopath lacks the narcissist’s insatiable underlying neediness. Unlike the narcissist, the sociopath’s violating behaviors stem less from a deep insecurity than from his impulsive or calculated greed, and especially his basic view of others as objects, as tools, to be exploited for his entertainment, amusement and ongoing acquisitive agenda.
The sociopath is a more purely exploitative individual than the narcissist. For the narcissist, others are desperately needed, and demanded, as validators. Athough the narcissist will use and exploit others, he does so typically with the ulterior motive of reassuring himself, on some level, of his persisting viability.
For the sociopath, others are his potential “play-things,” their value a function of the gratification that can be extracted from them.
The less validating you are, the less worth you have for the narcissist.
The less exploitable you are, the less worth you have for the sociopath.
Said differently, the narcissist uses others as a means to establish (or reestablish) the sense, and view, of himself, as special, impressive, dominant, compelling, whereas the sociopath uses others more for the pure amusement of it; more for the sheer entertainment of seeing what he can get away with (and how); and/or for the immediate satisfaction of his present tensions, itch, and/or greed.
The term “malignant narcissist” seems to me to describe the sociopath more accurately than the narcissist. This term has been used to describe megalomaniacal individuals whose grandiosity and sinister appetite for control (over others) better reflect, to my mind, psychopathic processes of exploitation.
The “malignant narcissist” is, to my mind, driven by the sociopath’s (or psychopath’s) pursuit of omnipotent control over those he seeks to exploit. He is a power-hungry, often charismatic, ruthless and exploitative personality whose grandiosity serves more psychopathic than classically narcissistic purposes.
Don’t misunderstand me: The malignant narcissist is someone whose most toxic narcissistic qualities have attained malignant status (hence the concept). In the end, however, he is as coldblooded, callous, exploitative and deviant a creature as the most dangerous sociopath.
Does it matter, finally, whether a cult figure like, say, Jim Jones, who led hundreds of his followers to mass suicide, was a “malignant narcissist” or psychopath? Not if you regard the terms, and destructiveness of the personalities, as essentially indistinguishable, as I do.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Gem,
This place has saved me from despair. The folks here are amazing. You’ve come to the right place.
OxDrover:
I think your advice to Jim is right. You calls yours “fixer-uppers”. I call mine “remodelling projects.”
Whatever we call them, when the person we get with is on a very different place in the road than we are, I don’t think the relationship can work.
It’s not because there’s anything wrong with us. As a matter of fact, we tend to approach things from a perspective of wanting to help because we’ve been where they are and know where they are.
It’s so easy to step into the role of “I’ve been where you are, and this is what I’d suggest…” The problem is, the recipient has to get there all on his/her own.
Matt,
If you’re trying to prove internet harassment, don’t you have to have an IP address of the person that you’re accusing?
SurReality,
Your story sounds strange that the guy would just “give” you a 3000 check, then later say it was a loan, with you saying he said it was a gift. What was the discussion at the time of the giving–most people at least have some sort of discussion when they are handing over large sums of money.You go on in a later post to say he never took you for any money at all while you were more involved with him–and apparently now that you are not involved with him, yout see him from time to time to “study” him. Whatever.
Regardless of why he gave you the money, why would you want to keep it when he obviously wants it back. From your post you say he doesn’t owe you money, never took any of yours.
But I guess my biggest question is that as vicitms we tend to support each other regardless of what low behavior we stoop to ourselves because as victims of sociopaths we sometimes feel justified–ya know as well as I have we’ve seen some smash his phone post, rippd his clothes posts, put smelly whatever in his clothes posts, destroyed his property posts–yet if they do that stuff to US we cry fowl play. So since this man does not owe her money and she is long gone from being involved with him and now enjoys spending time with him for sport—–just WHY is she JUSTIFIED in keeping HIS money. Maybe it WAS a misunderstanding and he thought he was giving her a loan.
Sorry for the rant, and I love the supportiveness of this board, but sometimes it does irk me to see ANYTHING, even behavior “becoming” the sociopathic themselves or unethical behavior, promoted all in the name of “victimhood”.
Sabinne:
I don’t know much about this area of the law, but it seems logical that your ex would have to prove there was a source (IP address) that the harrasment was coming from.
I was giving your situation a little more thought. Has your attorney received a copy of the complaint your ex filed on you and if so, what statute is he claiming you violated? His whole complaint seems very amorphous (for lack of a better word).
Oxy-thanks for a possible explanation. You may be right. Or I misread what I saw and heard. I don’t talk about her to others I know who might know more, although I was told of an instance in which I was not involved (by someone else-unsolicited)which fits with some of what you said. (possible terror reaction).
And a few months ago, I mentioned it to my therapist, who said “You might want to forget it…” I’ll tell him my on-line “therapist” agreed, and she has a “bigger skillet” than him.
Ah, well, if I’m wrong about my “take”…good. That’s always a possibility. If I’m right, and you are, too…it’s a shame. I don’t blame her. I could really be “pithed”, as you say, at the spathole who did the damage.
I’ll just have to do what I can if it helps, and be ready to put aside my expectations…or fantasies. Another time, another place…I’ll still pray and hope for her. I’ll be here…as a friend if I can. I’m still learning what I am, and what I’m not. What I do know is, for my part, she has nothing to fear from me…but I’ll have to keep my eyes open for what I need and want, and can or can’t handle. To do no harm.
Thanks again, Oxy.
Matt…you’re right, too. Prince Charming needs to sell the white charger, donate the armor to the Don Quixote museum, and beat the sword into a plowshare…can I keep the glass slipper…just in case it fits somebody?
I got a fairy godmother…Oxy!
Jim:
I believe you and Henry are going to have to duel for OxDrover.
Jim, darling, I think the “glass slipper” thing wouldn’t work, can you imagine me in GLASS SLIPPERS tromping through the donkey crap? LOL ROTFLMAO
Matt, I know what you mean about “remodeling projects” and you are so right. I have taken on waaaaaay too many remodeling projects in my life, even with “good people” who are NOT Ns or Ps, they have to REMODEL THEMSELVES, just as WE here at LF are doing! No one can do it for us. We are ALL DO-IT-YOURSELF-PROJECTS and there is no way to change that.
A hand up but not a hand OUT is okay. Believe me there are way too many people with a hand OUT and too few who are wanting a hand UP. I have also found that out the hard way by multiple experiences.
My X FIL (a P himself) did have one thing right, he said “You can GIVE people things, but you can’t HELP them, they have to help THEMSELVES.”
Many times I have actually helped people, or given them the OPPORTUNITY TO HELP THEMSELVES, rather, and they DID help themselves with a little bit of support. More times than not though, when I have tried to “help”people they ended up wanting me to ENABLE them. Sometimes I fell for it for a while but wised up and quit it, other times I have seen it “coming” and wised up BEFORE they got to the point of expecting me to take care of their responsibilities.
EAch situation must be assessed in itself and you have to keep an eye on yourself in these things to determine ifyou are enabling or helping. Sometimes even the nicest of people will over step boundaries and you must be INSTANTLY READY to respond appropriately.
One of my barter-buddies, tried a little ploy to take a bit of an advantage of me on a barter deal, very minor one, but I stood my ground and didn’t barter what he really wanted for the tinket I wanted. He knew his trinket whick owuld have been handy for me (a wagon wheel wrench) was worth about $1 and the draw knife he was wanting was worth about $20. Now usually the actual dollar value isn’t taken into consideration on our trades but this one was so waaay off I decided not to go for it. As he left later that evening I picked up the draw knife and handed it to him. He asked what that was for. I said, “I’m giving it to you!” He asked “why?” with a puzzled look on his face.
I said somethig to the point of, “I will give you a GIFT, but I will NOT let you “beat me out of it”.” He got the drift of my comment and there hasn’t been any more of that siince. LOL For Christmas he gave me a really NICE print of a pen and ink drawing that I had admired at his house. I think in way of a “thank you” for the draw knife. LOL
Even with honest and good friends, sometimes you have to draw the line and defend it.
Matt-I think Oxy is enjoying the rivalry…I had the “duel with Henry” flash through my mind last night.
And Oxy, after all our discussion today…the fates are cruel.
For a little background…since the divorce…I’ve had several incidences where I deviated from routines, to find I had avoided a possible unpleasant “run-in” with ex-Tox or her boyfriend…”Wow..God’s watchin’ out for me” moments.
More background…in the 70’s…I worked for GMAC in Detroit…roamin’ the streets, tracing skips, collectin’ money, repossessing cars. I notice cars, on the road, parked on the street, etc. A developed habit I’ve never lost.
The point…the woman we discussed earlier and I had “packaged” and “put away” in my mind. Had to run up to Walmart for cat food, bottled water, and bleach…the car she drives is distinctive…and it’s in the lot, not at Walmart, but on the way in a strip of stores…I swear I have seen that car every day now for FOUR days straight…and I’m not driving around looking for it!
As Oprah as my witness, other than pre-arranged meetings, I haven’t seen THAT car that many times in the last 9 months.
I need to sacrifice a goat, burn some incense, and read the Bible tonight….what did I do to deserve this torture!
If it keeps up, I’ll have a PTSD moment…maybe she did “sense” something…I need to untwist my brain on this one…
I wish I could rewind to “boring is good and peaceful and I don’t need nobody!”
Oh, well, OK to rant here, right? God’s got a sense of humor, after all, I guess. Maybe he’ll give me a vine for shade…for a while…is the French Foreign Legion still hiring?