In a prior post, I discussed some differences between the narcissist and sociopath, a focus I’d like to continue in this post. For convenience’s sake, I’m going to use “he” and “him” throughout, although we can agree that “she” and “her” could easily be substituted.
The narcissist, if I were to boil his style down to one sentence, is someone who demands that his sense of self (and self-importance) be propped-up on a continual basis. Without this support—in the form of validation, recognition, and experiences of idealization—the narcissist feels depleted, empty, depressed.
The narcissist struggles to define himself independently and sustainedly as significant and worthwhile. The fragility of his sense of self is no big news; it is how he manages his fragility, his insecurity, that is telling.
The narcissist, for instance, feels entitled to a sense of inner comfort and security. More specifically, he feels entitled to what he requires in order to experience an unbroken state of inner comfort.
But wait a second? Don’t we all feel somewhat entitled to what we need in order to feel secure and comfortable?
Most of us, after all, feel entitled to the air we breath that keeps us alive. You might feel entitled, when dehydrated, to a cold stream of water from your kitchen faucet? Imagine feeling an intense thirst, yet when you twist the faucet, no water comes out? The pipes are empty”¦everywhere in the house.
You are deeply thirsty, and yet the water you count on to salve your thirst is being withheld. In this circumstance, especially if your thirst is great, you might feel outraged? Incensed? Even panicked?
You might even feel furious enough to hurl curses and imprecations on the forces conspiring to frustrate your thirst!
Imagine the narcissist’s thirst as constant and deep—a thirst for things like recognition, appreciation, for validation of his importance, and special signifigance. When the narcissist’s thirst for recognition is unmet, it is no small matter—anymore than it would be a small matter to find a spigot unresponsive in the midst of your urgent thirst.
In other words, the frustration of his demand of recognition is a major disappointment, a major problem for the narcissist—a problem felt not merely as an inconvenience, but as a threat to his fundamental equilibrium, sense of security, and comfort.
In a certain sense, then, that the narcissist feels “entitled” doesn’t make him a narcissist. It is what he feels “entitled to” that is most relevant.
Specifically, it is his sense of entitlement to an undisturbed stream of others’ approval, admiration and recognition that most separates the narcissist from the non-narcissist.
But the narcissist demands more than others’ idealization; he also demands others to idealize. The narcissist needs to idealize others.
For instance, when he finally meets, yet again, the “perfect woman,” he puts her on a pedestal—i.e., he idealizes her. Idealizing her—putting her on a pedestal—makes for thrill and excitement (which, by the way, he misjudges again and again as fulfillment).
After all, he is tasting perfection. He must be pretty special to have the enviable attention of someone so perfectly, admirably beautiful. He looks and feels good thanks to the reflection of her perfection on himself.
One of many problems here is that idealized states are inherently temporary and unsustainable; they don’t hold up permanently; they are fraught all the time with dangers of collapse.
Thus, the narcissist can’t permanently hold his idealizations. And he finds their collapse, over and over again, discouraging and deeply disillusioning. But instead of recognizing the futility of his need, he will blame the formerly idealized object for failing to have remained as perfect, and perfectly satisfying, as he demanded.
The narcissist loses something urgent here, namely the key to his feeling of vitality. Inarticulately, he feels betrayed; and in his sense of betrayal, he feels angry, even enraged.
Enter his “contempt.” The underbelly of the narcissist’s idealizing is his contempt. The narcissist tends to vacillate between experiences of idealization and contempt. In either case (or “state”), others are regarded as objects—objects, we shall see, not quite in the sense that sociopaths regard others as objects.
For the narcissist, others have an obligation to maintain his peace of mind. In the narcissist’s world, it is on others, through their cooperation with his demands, to ensure his ongoing inner comfort and satisfaction. When meeting his demands, others are idealized; when disappointing him, they are devalued contemptuously.
What else does the narcissist demand? The narcissist on pretty much a constant basis demands various forms of reassurance. It may be reassurance of his attractiveness, superiority, special status in a girlfriend’s eyes (and history). He may seek reassurance of his virility, that he is still feared, respected, admired, idealized, and otherwise perceived as impressive.
For the narcissist, such reassurance, even when felt, proves always only temporarily satisfying, and is translated as something like, “I’m okay, for now. I’ve still got it. I’m still viable.”
In his pursuit of reassurance, the narcissist is a very controlling individual. His controlling tendencies arise from his desperation—his desperation, that is, for the reassurance he demands. And desperate people tend to be heedless of the boundaries of those who have what they want.
The narcissist, for instance, may grill his partner controllingly about her ex-boyfriends in order to establish (demand assurances of) his unique, special status with her. Or, he may text her during the day compulsively, in the guise of his interest in, and love, for her, when, in fact, it is not about his love or interest but rather about his demand to know that she is thinking about him that drives his invasive behavior.
He will rationalize his invasiveness as his thoughtfulness and love of her. And he will feel entitled to an immediately reassuring response, anything less than which will activate his anger/rage.
The narcissist’s legendary self-centeredness, to some extent, is a function of the fact that so much, if not all, of his energy is invested in resolving anxious questions about his present standing.
He is vigilantly afraid lest his present, fragilely, and externally supported status be upended, a development he struggles to tolerate. Consumed as he is with obviating this disaster, he has little energy left with which to be genuinely interested in others.
How about the sociopath? What’s his deal?
To begin with, the sociopath lacks the narcissist’s insatiable underlying neediness. Unlike the narcissist, the sociopath’s violating behaviors stem less from a deep insecurity than from his impulsive or calculated greed, and especially his basic view of others as objects, as tools, to be exploited for his entertainment, amusement and ongoing acquisitive agenda.
The sociopath is a more purely exploitative individual than the narcissist. For the narcissist, others are desperately needed, and demanded, as validators. Athough the narcissist will use and exploit others, he does so typically with the ulterior motive of reassuring himself, on some level, of his persisting viability.
For the sociopath, others are his potential “play-things,” their value a function of the gratification that can be extracted from them.
The less validating you are, the less worth you have for the narcissist.
The less exploitable you are, the less worth you have for the sociopath.
Said differently, the narcissist uses others as a means to establish (or reestablish) the sense, and view, of himself, as special, impressive, dominant, compelling, whereas the sociopath uses others more for the pure amusement of it; more for the sheer entertainment of seeing what he can get away with (and how); and/or for the immediate satisfaction of his present tensions, itch, and/or greed.
The term “malignant narcissist” seems to me to describe the sociopath more accurately than the narcissist. This term has been used to describe megalomaniacal individuals whose grandiosity and sinister appetite for control (over others) better reflect, to my mind, psychopathic processes of exploitation.
The “malignant narcissist” is, to my mind, driven by the sociopath’s (or psychopath’s) pursuit of omnipotent control over those he seeks to exploit. He is a power-hungry, often charismatic, ruthless and exploitative personality whose grandiosity serves more psychopathic than classically narcissistic purposes.
Don’t misunderstand me: The malignant narcissist is someone whose most toxic narcissistic qualities have attained malignant status (hence the concept). In the end, however, he is as coldblooded, callous, exploitative and deviant a creature as the most dangerous sociopath.
Does it matter, finally, whether a cult figure like, say, Jim Jones, who led hundreds of his followers to mass suicide, was a “malignant narcissist” or psychopath? Not if you regard the terms, and destructiveness of the personalities, as essentially indistinguishable, as I do.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
truebeliever:
I am sorry to hear about your son. With a situation as stressful as that, I know that you just want this whole scene over with your S.
However,do not, I repeat, DO NOT agree to a divorce before you get a property settlement in place AND he has signed the QDROs (Qualified Domestic Relations Orders) and the assets you have coming to you have been transferred over.
I know you want this over with, but if you give him the divorce without the settlement, game over – and you will still be on the hook for the credit lines, etc.
I made that mistake in my own divorce, and ended up in court fot the next 3 years until the judge held my ex in contempt and ordered everything signed on the spot or it was off to the lockup with her.
If your S is already not paying his share of the credit lines, equity line, etc, this is a big warning sign, because you could be left holding the bag for all of it. If I were your lawyer, I would demand that the outstanding credit lines, etc be ordered closed by the court and then netted against marital assets.
You don’t want to get assets assigned over to you and then discover he has eithe run up new charges on open accounts or that you’re left on the hook. The creditors don’t care how you apportion debt. Whomever signed during the marriage they’ll hold all signers liable. And when one obligor doesn’t pay, they will go after the others.
In connection with that, do you live in a fault or no-fault divorce (irreconciliable differences) state? If fault is taken into consideration, I’d pull out all the stops.
Even if you’re in a no-fault, if I were your lawyer, I’d be going into court on March 10th with your son’s medical records and argue to the court that your husband deserves to be held in contempt because you are in an extreme situation and you need a settlement because you need the money to help him.
I would then tell the court that S hasn’t cooperate with mediation, in all likelihood will not cooperate with mediation, and ask the court to divide the assets.
And to push the court to do so, I have your lawyer have those records in hand when he goes before the judge — argue you need the assets and marital estate divided right now because your son is ill and you need the money to help him. With the medical proof before it, that could really be what pushes the judge to hold your S in contempt — otherwise the judge will do what they all do — threaten contempt, order you all back to the table yada, yada, yada.
I’ll give this some more thought and see if I come up with any other ideas.
Dear Truebeliever,
I am so very sorry to hear about your son’s problems and your own stresses and what that arse-h is doing to you to add to your stress. I will keep you in my prayers True and your son as well.
THANKS MATT for your great advice! I am so glad you are here with this wonderful advice for people when they really need it! Lawyer jokes aside, you are WONDERFUL! Maybe Henry will let me be “engaged” to you too, if you decide to switch sides! ha ha I never thought I would be hugging a lawyer ((((((MATT))))) LOL
Truebeliever..we’ll all be thinking of you and your son. I’m glad Matt’s here to help.
Truebeliever: Any time you feel self-doubt, tell yourself “I do the best I can, with what I know now.” If you are tempted to revisit the past, forgive yourself by saying, “I did the best I could then with what I knew.”
I’m with Matt on advising you to be sure that all agreements are in place before the divorce. You need all the help you can get to be there with your son.
And remember to regularly appreciate yourself for your profound strength and compassion, even through this time of trouble. My heart is with you.
To JEN:
I beat him at his own game ……… just this ONE time. It was no loan. It was a gift he offered when he asked me how business was and I told him it was pretty slow and times are scary, and then he went on to brag about how much money he’s been making and how he’s at the pinnacle of his career right now and he’d like to give me a gift for “some of what’s transpired between us” in the past. He was also drinking, but he is always drinking. I’m going to guess he got angry because I left that night instead of sleeping there.
Anyway, why would I ask HIM for a loan? If I needed a loan, I’d go get one at a bank or I’d ask a FRIEND — not a psycho!
He wanted to feel so superior because he makes SO much money and he wrote a gift check. Boo effing hoo if he wants it back. He’ll only get it back if it can still be reversed. (It’s still not been reversed.)
I could copy/paste the stuff he emailed me before he gave me the gift, but it would take a lot of work. He tends to send “jack rabbit” emails……… lots of one-liners, one after the other – not waiting for a response most of the time … all proclaiming his “love” for me and other nauseating things that are all LIES, like apologies for all the other things that happened (things he’s DONE) in the past, etc.
Is the picture more clear?
Sur-real: I think it’s lovely that you got such a gift. He’s a really, really WONDERFUL person for sharing all his riches.
Yep. I’m on the side of you keeping this. And complimenting him — if you have to — might keep his ego from trying to play the game of how it was a “loan.”
Ordinarily, I’d be concerned this was risky behavior on your part, but with an S/P, you never know what will set them off, anyway, so keeping such an OBVIOUS gift makes total sense. (Anybody else enjoying the rare humor here?)
Rune…your reply to Truebeliever reminded me…my tombstone epitaph…”I did what I could!”…need to get that written down and ordered….
Rune – Im trying my hardest to see it…. for some reason Im not viewing that way.
Sur-real – If I wouldnt take a loan from a psycho (but rather a bank or a friend)
Why in the world would I take it in a form of a gift from an intoxicated psycho?
Im trying to get your view…
And more important than the emails you got before taking the check from him – what type of emails are you receiving from him now?? And if you felt this way about all his prior behaviors/emails – were you meeting with him just to string him along (AT HIS OWN GAME) ? Think you said you were amused by these types of people..
Cant really piece it all together, but as long as you feel you wont be paying a heavy nusance price for keeping the money (i.e. any kind of ridiculous legal crap, verbal abuse via emails/texts, etc. and any violent reactions from this S/)P…then perhaps it will work out to your benefit.
But if he actually wrote “Gift” on check it would be a done deal! Good luck!!!
Hi LTL … I thought I did explain it in earlier posts, but I know there are many posts here over the last few days; hard to everyone’s details. There are so many horrible stories here, as well as survivor tales.
I’m not “amused” by these types of people. Being fascinated is what I said — not amused. HARDLY amused. They’re evil! And I compare it to the way some of us can’t help looking at a horrible car crash on the side of the road. We don’t want to see anything horrible, yet ……… we L@.......@k! Yipes! Ooooh! Ick! Ugh!
And, I didn’t say he was intoxicated. I said he was drinking. He’s never acted “intoxicated.” If he appeared intoxicated, I’d have never gotten into his vehicle.
I’m not sure why there’s anything to “piece together” because I’m using the words I mean. I promise! 🙂
I thought about writing here about all the past ‘episodes’ … but it’s so debilitating to think about doing. Bottomline is — I’m justified in keeping this *tiny* pittance of cash, which I view as hardly compensation. 😉
And, I have no intention of speaking to him or permitting him to speak to me, by any means, ever again.
Sur Real – I meant piece together all the posts… and piece together the humor (although Rune pointed out its rare humor)
Amused was the wrong word, I pulled from my memory bank. Sorry for that. Fascinated it is!!! Thanks. And I assumed intoxicated, didnt know you got in car with him….basically I got it all wrong !! !OXY SKILLET ME!!
IMHO -I have a different view/opinion most likely because of my experience with my S.
I respect your view on your personal experience with him. And always appreciate reading different experiences and opinions on how we deal with them.