In a prior post, I discussed some differences between the narcissist and sociopath, a focus I’d like to continue in this post. For convenience’s sake, I’m going to use “he” and “him” throughout, although we can agree that “she” and “her” could easily be substituted.
The narcissist, if I were to boil his style down to one sentence, is someone who demands that his sense of self (and self-importance) be propped-up on a continual basis. Without this support—in the form of validation, recognition, and experiences of idealization—the narcissist feels depleted, empty, depressed.
The narcissist struggles to define himself independently and sustainedly as significant and worthwhile. The fragility of his sense of self is no big news; it is how he manages his fragility, his insecurity, that is telling.
The narcissist, for instance, feels entitled to a sense of inner comfort and security. More specifically, he feels entitled to what he requires in order to experience an unbroken state of inner comfort.
But wait a second? Don’t we all feel somewhat entitled to what we need in order to feel secure and comfortable?
Most of us, after all, feel entitled to the air we breath that keeps us alive. You might feel entitled, when dehydrated, to a cold stream of water from your kitchen faucet? Imagine feeling an intense thirst, yet when you twist the faucet, no water comes out? The pipes are empty”¦everywhere in the house.
You are deeply thirsty, and yet the water you count on to salve your thirst is being withheld. In this circumstance, especially if your thirst is great, you might feel outraged? Incensed? Even panicked?
You might even feel furious enough to hurl curses and imprecations on the forces conspiring to frustrate your thirst!
Imagine the narcissist’s thirst as constant and deep—a thirst for things like recognition, appreciation, for validation of his importance, and special signifigance. When the narcissist’s thirst for recognition is unmet, it is no small matter—anymore than it would be a small matter to find a spigot unresponsive in the midst of your urgent thirst.
In other words, the frustration of his demand of recognition is a major disappointment, a major problem for the narcissist—a problem felt not merely as an inconvenience, but as a threat to his fundamental equilibrium, sense of security, and comfort.
In a certain sense, then, that the narcissist feels “entitled” doesn’t make him a narcissist. It is what he feels “entitled to” that is most relevant.
Specifically, it is his sense of entitlement to an undisturbed stream of others’ approval, admiration and recognition that most separates the narcissist from the non-narcissist.
But the narcissist demands more than others’ idealization; he also demands others to idealize. The narcissist needs to idealize others.
For instance, when he finally meets, yet again, the “perfect woman,” he puts her on a pedestal—i.e., he idealizes her. Idealizing her—putting her on a pedestal—makes for thrill and excitement (which, by the way, he misjudges again and again as fulfillment).
After all, he is tasting perfection. He must be pretty special to have the enviable attention of someone so perfectly, admirably beautiful. He looks and feels good thanks to the reflection of her perfection on himself.
One of many problems here is that idealized states are inherently temporary and unsustainable; they don’t hold up permanently; they are fraught all the time with dangers of collapse.
Thus, the narcissist can’t permanently hold his idealizations. And he finds their collapse, over and over again, discouraging and deeply disillusioning. But instead of recognizing the futility of his need, he will blame the formerly idealized object for failing to have remained as perfect, and perfectly satisfying, as he demanded.
The narcissist loses something urgent here, namely the key to his feeling of vitality. Inarticulately, he feels betrayed; and in his sense of betrayal, he feels angry, even enraged.
Enter his “contempt.” The underbelly of the narcissist’s idealizing is his contempt. The narcissist tends to vacillate between experiences of idealization and contempt. In either case (or “state”), others are regarded as objects—objects, we shall see, not quite in the sense that sociopaths regard others as objects.
For the narcissist, others have an obligation to maintain his peace of mind. In the narcissist’s world, it is on others, through their cooperation with his demands, to ensure his ongoing inner comfort and satisfaction. When meeting his demands, others are idealized; when disappointing him, they are devalued contemptuously.
What else does the narcissist demand? The narcissist on pretty much a constant basis demands various forms of reassurance. It may be reassurance of his attractiveness, superiority, special status in a girlfriend’s eyes (and history). He may seek reassurance of his virility, that he is still feared, respected, admired, idealized, and otherwise perceived as impressive.
For the narcissist, such reassurance, even when felt, proves always only temporarily satisfying, and is translated as something like, “I’m okay, for now. I’ve still got it. I’m still viable.”
In his pursuit of reassurance, the narcissist is a very controlling individual. His controlling tendencies arise from his desperation—his desperation, that is, for the reassurance he demands. And desperate people tend to be heedless of the boundaries of those who have what they want.
The narcissist, for instance, may grill his partner controllingly about her ex-boyfriends in order to establish (demand assurances of) his unique, special status with her. Or, he may text her during the day compulsively, in the guise of his interest in, and love, for her, when, in fact, it is not about his love or interest but rather about his demand to know that she is thinking about him that drives his invasive behavior.
He will rationalize his invasiveness as his thoughtfulness and love of her. And he will feel entitled to an immediately reassuring response, anything less than which will activate his anger/rage.
The narcissist’s legendary self-centeredness, to some extent, is a function of the fact that so much, if not all, of his energy is invested in resolving anxious questions about his present standing.
He is vigilantly afraid lest his present, fragilely, and externally supported status be upended, a development he struggles to tolerate. Consumed as he is with obviating this disaster, he has little energy left with which to be genuinely interested in others.
How about the sociopath? What’s his deal?
To begin with, the sociopath lacks the narcissist’s insatiable underlying neediness. Unlike the narcissist, the sociopath’s violating behaviors stem less from a deep insecurity than from his impulsive or calculated greed, and especially his basic view of others as objects, as tools, to be exploited for his entertainment, amusement and ongoing acquisitive agenda.
The sociopath is a more purely exploitative individual than the narcissist. For the narcissist, others are desperately needed, and demanded, as validators. Athough the narcissist will use and exploit others, he does so typically with the ulterior motive of reassuring himself, on some level, of his persisting viability.
For the sociopath, others are his potential “play-things,” their value a function of the gratification that can be extracted from them.
The less validating you are, the less worth you have for the narcissist.
The less exploitable you are, the less worth you have for the sociopath.
Said differently, the narcissist uses others as a means to establish (or reestablish) the sense, and view, of himself, as special, impressive, dominant, compelling, whereas the sociopath uses others more for the pure amusement of it; more for the sheer entertainment of seeing what he can get away with (and how); and/or for the immediate satisfaction of his present tensions, itch, and/or greed.
The term “malignant narcissist” seems to me to describe the sociopath more accurately than the narcissist. This term has been used to describe megalomaniacal individuals whose grandiosity and sinister appetite for control (over others) better reflect, to my mind, psychopathic processes of exploitation.
The “malignant narcissist” is, to my mind, driven by the sociopath’s (or psychopath’s) pursuit of omnipotent control over those he seeks to exploit. He is a power-hungry, often charismatic, ruthless and exploitative personality whose grandiosity serves more psychopathic than classically narcissistic purposes.
Don’t misunderstand me: The malignant narcissist is someone whose most toxic narcissistic qualities have attained malignant status (hence the concept). In the end, however, he is as coldblooded, callous, exploitative and deviant a creature as the most dangerous sociopath.
Does it matter, finally, whether a cult figure like, say, Jim Jones, who led hundreds of his followers to mass suicide, was a “malignant narcissist” or psychopath? Not if you regard the terms, and destructiveness of the personalities, as essentially indistinguishable, as I do.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
🙂 I don’t see that there’s any humor here, either — rare or otherwise. But, I’m going to guess Rune is talking ‘sad laughter’ or ‘gallows humor’ … ?! That fits! We do have to keep our sanity by interjecting levity when discussing these ………. ugly awful creatures. Yes?
I can appreciate your different view. I could be completely off the mark about mine in saying that he is not the violent type of S. Reason? He likes himself too much to imagine his life without his money, sitting in a prison cell. He couldn’t impress or brag to anyone in prison. It would be no …….. fun.
Although I doubt it, there IS a possibility that he’s not a full-fledge sociopath. He could be malignant narcissistic mostly, with just a *pinch* of sociopath thrown in. Who knows? I’m not a doctor. I only know he’s an intentionally disgusting human lifeform.
SurReal – you took the words right out of my mouth…. Narcissist is what came to my mind, as I was reading your last post 🙂 — But Im in no position to diagnose anyone, YET! Once i get my license I will be able to!
Please be careful…intentionally disgusting human lifeforms are capable of ANYTHING. Thanks for sharing your story, collectively we can all agree it was a toxic situation. Glad you are finally NC!
Sur-Real: Bleak, black humor indeed. If you knew what toll the S/P took in my life, you would know that I understand how rarely any recompense appears.
If I thought, from anything you have said, that you were placing yourself in danger, I would advise you to not take the money. But in these convoluted games with people who don’t think like us, almost any step can be a misstep. For you to establish NC at this point seems the safest course.
You sound like you have a reasonable grasp of this situation. I appreciate your story. I don’t believe that it creates justification for anyone else to think they should try to manipulate the manipulator. I think most of us on this site know better than to go down that road. And I want for you to stay safe.
Because researchers have so little knowledge of the behavior of these S/Ps in common social interaction, I think our stories help to illuminate the subtleties and educate each other. But we shouldn’t think we can dance with these dragons and step away unscathed.
“But if he actually wrote “Gift” on check it would be a done deal! Good luck!!!” – learnEDthelesson
I had a similar situation regarding “checks” to the ex’s son, my stepson (or “x” but he’s ok/no problems from him). There were about 4 checks totalling $6,000+ to bail him and his wife out of financial difficulties over about 5 years prior to my divorce. The legal question was whether “Loan” was on the memo line. Since there was a question about closing out an equity line of credit, and remaining equity, the promised “we’ll pay you back” turned into a “gift” according to the ex-Tox. Live & learn, I signed every one of the checks, but didn’t write “loan” on the line. (never really expected to be divorced after 25 years married to her, and never really expected to be paid back).
Anyway, we reached agreement without “going to trial.” My victory was a clause in the final decree where she admitted it was a “loan” not a “gift”, and we were each entitled to follow to collect 1/2 from him. He has 2 kids, problems of his own, I won’t be after it. (He better not pith off his mother, though.)
There was another joint savings account…(marital assets)could have gone either way in court because of the source of the funds (small inheritance from a father she saw once in ten years…he phoned her and sent a card and check every Christmas…he wasn’t on her Christmas list). It was only about $6700. Her lawyer had her offer $1,000…I took it…would have used that up in a hearing before the judge.
I haven’t “loaned” any money since, but if I do, the memo line on the check will say “loan” and there will be an agreement and “payback” promise and schedule…..in case I needed it.
Like I say. live and learn…I don’t lose sleep over it.
In case this is of any assistance/use to any of you, here is what I’ve done in case the rat bastard decides to contact me again.
1) Since I have a domain email account (I use Outlook and email is sent to me@mydomain.com … not gmail or hotmail, etc) I’ve set Outlook to NOT download any of his messages from my domain’s server, AND
2) FORWARD them automatically to 3 of my closest friends 😉
PLUS
3) This following auto-response goes to him, if he emails me:
==================================
WARNING TO:
((((PSYCHO’s NAME))))
Your email transmission:
· has not been downloaded from the intended recipient’s server; and,
· will not be read by the intended recipient; and,
· has been auto-forwarded to 3 other recipients; and
· This is your only warning; further email transmissions, or attempt by you to contact the intended recipient by any means, shall be deemed harrassment and stalking and will be immediately reported to the authorities.
Authorized:
MY NAME (intended recipient)
==================================
Im hoping a got lucky in a different way. I did not write anything on check reference line either. BUT, on the money orders he wrote BALANCE $XXXX.XX!! Both times subtracting the peanuts he sent me. So, legally, he made it look like a loan! ! BECAUSE THATS WHAT IT WAS! Havent received any futher payments and someone here told me to probably expect that to be the case, since I stay NC.
Helping my in-laws tomorrow start process of collecting on their judgment the received against him. Should be rather straight forward for them….
Live and Learn… Live and Learn…. and dont forget Laugh too!
I believe the legal way (without an actual loan document) to write a loan check is to put the verbiage/terms on the back of the check, above where the Payee endorses it, instead of in the ‘memo’ field. A gift check doesn’t require any notation, because there is nothing to be repaid to the Payor.
I learned about this when I was executor of my late mom’s estate.
PS: My S/Nutjob is a ………… LAWYER, so ’nuff said there. But, he’s a narcissistic/socio who wrote a gift check and didn’t get the ……………. “prize” ………. at the end of the night like he expected! Boooooooo Hoooooooo!
SurRealty….you’re an evil woman…the email thing…LOL
learnEDthelesson….story…genetics. The ex-Mother in law…lived a state way. her husband died (second one…she cheated on ex-Tox’s dad with a widowed neighbor…they call’em “back-door whores” in rural Indiana…hubby goes out the front door to work while boyfriend comes in the back door).
Anyway, the ex-Tox wants “Mom” to move to our town. Didn’t discuss it with me. In the middle of it, ex_Tox’s brother (ok guy) travels through. We’re visitin’ at the kitchen table…he says “What’s this I hear about you (ex-Tox) trying to get Mom over here?” He thought it was a bad idea, and the discussion went on a while. Then, he turned to me…”What do you think?” My reply…”They didn’t ask me.”
His next sentence…”Well, you get her over here, and you’re marriage won’t last a year!”
Well she moved here, and I lasted another 15 or 16 years…it weren’t much fun…two S/P/N/BPD’s on a tag-team against me….LOL
For my 2 cents worth, I don’t want ANYTHING that has anything to do with THEM. PERIOD. END OF CONVERSATION.
Even taking a “gift” from them would be a NO NO for me. My egg donor used to offer me “gifts” of money “if you need it” and I always refused. Didn’t need it, but IF I HAD NEEDED IT, if I had been living in a cardboard box on the corner and eating out of a dumpster, I would have said NO THANK YOU.
Maybe that is my “false pride” but the point is that I offered them my love, they spit on it, they devalued me, then tried to buy me off with money. Pith on it, and pith on them. They have their money, I have my self respect! My pride is intact.
Sure, if they had taken money from me, I would want it back, but since they didn’t actually steal money from me (though they COST me plenty of money) I don’t want their money. They can keep it, sleep with it, eat it, and maybe burn it to keep them warm, or have it buried with them when they die. Don’t want it. Would rather keep my head high and self respect in tact!
Okay, so he said it was a “gift” then he said it was a “loan” so what? I just don’t understand going to dinner with him, associating with him in any way, and sure don’t understand taking a “gift” from him, or keeping it after he said it was a “loan.” But different strokes for different folks (revealing my 1960s past here with that phrase) but too much DRAMA for me. I’m just not that interested in what they pull or trying to “put one over on them.” NO CONTACT.
SurRealty…”loan”, etc. Yes, just a starting point legally. Still would probably have required witnesses, oaths, depositions, testimony before a judge who doesn’t even want divorce trials clogging up his court…and wouldn’t want to hear the arguments.