In a prior post, I discussed some differences between the narcissist and sociopath, a focus I’d like to continue in this post. For convenience’s sake, I’m going to use “he” and “him” throughout, although we can agree that “she” and “her” could easily be substituted.
The narcissist, if I were to boil his style down to one sentence, is someone who demands that his sense of self (and self-importance) be propped-up on a continual basis. Without this support—in the form of validation, recognition, and experiences of idealization—the narcissist feels depleted, empty, depressed.
The narcissist struggles to define himself independently and sustainedly as significant and worthwhile. The fragility of his sense of self is no big news; it is how he manages his fragility, his insecurity, that is telling.
The narcissist, for instance, feels entitled to a sense of inner comfort and security. More specifically, he feels entitled to what he requires in order to experience an unbroken state of inner comfort.
But wait a second? Don’t we all feel somewhat entitled to what we need in order to feel secure and comfortable?
Most of us, after all, feel entitled to the air we breath that keeps us alive. You might feel entitled, when dehydrated, to a cold stream of water from your kitchen faucet? Imagine feeling an intense thirst, yet when you twist the faucet, no water comes out? The pipes are empty”¦everywhere in the house.
You are deeply thirsty, and yet the water you count on to salve your thirst is being withheld. In this circumstance, especially if your thirst is great, you might feel outraged? Incensed? Even panicked?
You might even feel furious enough to hurl curses and imprecations on the forces conspiring to frustrate your thirst!
Imagine the narcissist’s thirst as constant and deep—a thirst for things like recognition, appreciation, for validation of his importance, and special signifigance. When the narcissist’s thirst for recognition is unmet, it is no small matter—anymore than it would be a small matter to find a spigot unresponsive in the midst of your urgent thirst.
In other words, the frustration of his demand of recognition is a major disappointment, a major problem for the narcissist—a problem felt not merely as an inconvenience, but as a threat to his fundamental equilibrium, sense of security, and comfort.
In a certain sense, then, that the narcissist feels “entitled” doesn’t make him a narcissist. It is what he feels “entitled to” that is most relevant.
Specifically, it is his sense of entitlement to an undisturbed stream of others’ approval, admiration and recognition that most separates the narcissist from the non-narcissist.
But the narcissist demands more than others’ idealization; he also demands others to idealize. The narcissist needs to idealize others.
For instance, when he finally meets, yet again, the “perfect woman,” he puts her on a pedestal—i.e., he idealizes her. Idealizing her—putting her on a pedestal—makes for thrill and excitement (which, by the way, he misjudges again and again as fulfillment).
After all, he is tasting perfection. He must be pretty special to have the enviable attention of someone so perfectly, admirably beautiful. He looks and feels good thanks to the reflection of her perfection on himself.
One of many problems here is that idealized states are inherently temporary and unsustainable; they don’t hold up permanently; they are fraught all the time with dangers of collapse.
Thus, the narcissist can’t permanently hold his idealizations. And he finds their collapse, over and over again, discouraging and deeply disillusioning. But instead of recognizing the futility of his need, he will blame the formerly idealized object for failing to have remained as perfect, and perfectly satisfying, as he demanded.
The narcissist loses something urgent here, namely the key to his feeling of vitality. Inarticulately, he feels betrayed; and in his sense of betrayal, he feels angry, even enraged.
Enter his “contempt.” The underbelly of the narcissist’s idealizing is his contempt. The narcissist tends to vacillate between experiences of idealization and contempt. In either case (or “state”), others are regarded as objects—objects, we shall see, not quite in the sense that sociopaths regard others as objects.
For the narcissist, others have an obligation to maintain his peace of mind. In the narcissist’s world, it is on others, through their cooperation with his demands, to ensure his ongoing inner comfort and satisfaction. When meeting his demands, others are idealized; when disappointing him, they are devalued contemptuously.
What else does the narcissist demand? The narcissist on pretty much a constant basis demands various forms of reassurance. It may be reassurance of his attractiveness, superiority, special status in a girlfriend’s eyes (and history). He may seek reassurance of his virility, that he is still feared, respected, admired, idealized, and otherwise perceived as impressive.
For the narcissist, such reassurance, even when felt, proves always only temporarily satisfying, and is translated as something like, “I’m okay, for now. I’ve still got it. I’m still viable.”
In his pursuit of reassurance, the narcissist is a very controlling individual. His controlling tendencies arise from his desperation—his desperation, that is, for the reassurance he demands. And desperate people tend to be heedless of the boundaries of those who have what they want.
The narcissist, for instance, may grill his partner controllingly about her ex-boyfriends in order to establish (demand assurances of) his unique, special status with her. Or, he may text her during the day compulsively, in the guise of his interest in, and love, for her, when, in fact, it is not about his love or interest but rather about his demand to know that she is thinking about him that drives his invasive behavior.
He will rationalize his invasiveness as his thoughtfulness and love of her. And he will feel entitled to an immediately reassuring response, anything less than which will activate his anger/rage.
The narcissist’s legendary self-centeredness, to some extent, is a function of the fact that so much, if not all, of his energy is invested in resolving anxious questions about his present standing.
He is vigilantly afraid lest his present, fragilely, and externally supported status be upended, a development he struggles to tolerate. Consumed as he is with obviating this disaster, he has little energy left with which to be genuinely interested in others.
How about the sociopath? What’s his deal?
To begin with, the sociopath lacks the narcissist’s insatiable underlying neediness. Unlike the narcissist, the sociopath’s violating behaviors stem less from a deep insecurity than from his impulsive or calculated greed, and especially his basic view of others as objects, as tools, to be exploited for his entertainment, amusement and ongoing acquisitive agenda.
The sociopath is a more purely exploitative individual than the narcissist. For the narcissist, others are desperately needed, and demanded, as validators. Athough the narcissist will use and exploit others, he does so typically with the ulterior motive of reassuring himself, on some level, of his persisting viability.
For the sociopath, others are his potential “play-things,” their value a function of the gratification that can be extracted from them.
The less validating you are, the less worth you have for the narcissist.
The less exploitable you are, the less worth you have for the sociopath.
Said differently, the narcissist uses others as a means to establish (or reestablish) the sense, and view, of himself, as special, impressive, dominant, compelling, whereas the sociopath uses others more for the pure amusement of it; more for the sheer entertainment of seeing what he can get away with (and how); and/or for the immediate satisfaction of his present tensions, itch, and/or greed.
The term “malignant narcissist” seems to me to describe the sociopath more accurately than the narcissist. This term has been used to describe megalomaniacal individuals whose grandiosity and sinister appetite for control (over others) better reflect, to my mind, psychopathic processes of exploitation.
The “malignant narcissist” is, to my mind, driven by the sociopath’s (or psychopath’s) pursuit of omnipotent control over those he seeks to exploit. He is a power-hungry, often charismatic, ruthless and exploitative personality whose grandiosity serves more psychopathic than classically narcissistic purposes.
Don’t misunderstand me: The malignant narcissist is someone whose most toxic narcissistic qualities have attained malignant status (hence the concept). In the end, however, he is as coldblooded, callous, exploitative and deviant a creature as the most dangerous sociopath.
Does it matter, finally, whether a cult figure like, say, Jim Jones, who led hundreds of his followers to mass suicide, was a “malignant narcissist” or psychopath? Not if you regard the terms, and destructiveness of the personalities, as essentially indistinguishable, as I do.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Hi Jim,
My ex-N/P wasn’t much of an “intellectual” so he never read anything deeper than comic books. And I don’t think he even cracked one of those open during the time I was with him. But I’ve always wondered just what he WAS thinking while I was reading that book. Was he worried I’d clue in? Did he even have an inkling about his own pathology in the first place or had he convinced himself he was the mask he wore of the perpetually trodden on, undervalued, taken advantage of “Mr. Nice Guy”?
No matter.
For what it’s worth, the Narcissistic ex of the man I’m now involved with claimed to me (through my ex) he was boring, too. However, I’ve found him to be anything but that. He’s a fountain of knowledge and has hobbies (gasp!). If normal is boring, BRING IT ON!!
Is that another sign of a N/P? No hobbies? My ex had NO hobby other than stealing stuff off the internet and hiding his affairs.
One more question, if you please:
I have had a lifetime’s worth of N/P’s to deal with, including my mother, my first ex-hubby and now his wife, my second ex and his new spouse, a best girlfriend and they all have one common theme: THEY ARE ALL LASTBORNS.
Has anyone else seen this pattern?
Jofary – Interesting posts. So nice to hear you found a compatible partner, and a drama free relationship. Do you think he even noticed the title of the book you were reading? Was probably too caught up in himself. About having any inkling about his own pathology – mine use to joke that he lost his mind long ago – or he was crazy! At least I thought he was joking the way he would half heartedly say it. Think he might have been looking for a reaction. Who knows what goes through their hollow heads… hobby …he liked to go from job to job, woman to woman, meal ticket to meal ticket, one verbal abuse to another.
Are you sure you didnt recognize any signs and just didnt deny the fact something wasnt right? Or was he one of those who just never let the mask fall until the last day?
Jo – mine was last born, and few others Ive come across were only children. But I think it can happen to anyone. Why in the world are you having any contact with your first ex-hubby and his wife? Your second x hubby and his new spouse? Perhaps children? Otherwise, we sing NC song here!!! 🙂
DEar Jo,
Welcome back, glad you posted.
My P-son is last born, and left handed. I read somewhere, on Dr. Leedom’s articles I bet, that there are more of them that are LEFT HANDED than would be by random chance. Interesting point. wonder what else is “different” with them besides a higher than random rate of ADHD, B-Polar and left handedness? I also have an ADHD son who is NOT a P.
I agree with learnthelesson, though,, unless you HAVE TO HAVE CONTACT due to shared children, I would totally NC them ALL. Makes life much easier in the end! Middle, and beginning! LOL
learnEDthelesson…
Our education, well…I despise the “ed community’s” Life-Long Learners sound-bite…however…
1. You assumed the traditional Scottish “dress” had “built-in-britches?” hint: (you assume “too much”)
2. How would I know to provide a hint? A long history of my witticisms responded to by blank looks, people shuffling away from me, whispering behind hands to each other…a diminishing frequency of party invitations…shutting and locking doors as I approach as they flip the sign…”closed” from “open…need I go on?
To paraphrase advice in the Book Of Matthew…7:6?…no …that’s “pearls before swine.”..well, somewhere: listen more, speak less, or read more, post less…or the old…”They already think you’re an idiot…why open your mouth and remove all doubt” That pretty much covers it.
And, if you just can’t hold it in…give ’em some hint, if they have no idea what you’re talkin’ about!
Hope that clarifies things for ya….and Jo…I’m #3 of 4…not last, in that respect. My ex-TOX…supposed to be #! of 3, but, I wasn’t there, there were no paternity tests…and with her history? So, I guess I mis-judged her? Nah…I was there for that part!
Steve, thanks for this very helpful article. As always, I’m amazed to have my Ex so accurately described, which in turn helps me figure out how to help my children who are now almost eight survive having him as a father. And it may help me deal with professionals in their lives and in the court system.
My Ex continues to be abusive toward me – classic N with some S tendencies – enough that I finally called the police and am taking everything to them. Because he is affecting my health and my ability to do the best that I can do for our children the police want to document and talk to him to let him know he’s been warned. Not that anyone expects him to stop – this is more for the court’s benefit because I am actually scared to have him know that I dared to accuse him of any wrongdoing.
It boggles my mind as I try to find ways to avoid and survive having to deal with this N/S as a co-parent to see people spending so much time – I can’t take the time to read these posts – being ‘fascinated’ by a dangerous person that they don’t even HAVE to deal with but choose to expose themselves to…but to each his own. I’m in survival mode here – but again, thankful, because I know what I’m learning here may help my children not be victims or may head off any learned behavior before it takes hold. Believe me, with twins, doing both of those is a big job that I work at daily – and will never get credit for doing. Only those of you here who understand may someday pat me on the back for running interference this way for my children.
As for me, I am so clear now in knowing what is healthy and what is not in terms of looking for another partner and that feels good. So thanks for that reinforcement.
And yes, NC is the only way to go…
In my case, NC or ignoring abusive messages makes him want to try harder but responding in ANY way to them makes his attacks way more effective and still makes him want to try HARDER to do more damage. Can’t win either way but I know the police will say NC is best and I’m trying to show that I am not inviting the verbal assaults or provoking more.
Elizabeth, your descriptions are so good; I think I’m going to print them and carry them with me… I feel so sorry for the new younger woman that he is about to marry.
Matt, I’m going to have to start searching for a new attorney – hopefully the best one here to help deal with this disordered individual I’m going to have to defend myself against when he goes after custody again. If you have any insight to share I’d be grateful. And my attorney finalized my divorce without getting my QDRO done first and I’m trying to get it done now but am afraid that I’m going to get the short end of the stick here…but that’s the least of my worries.
Thanks
D
Funny, maybe a study should be done on the correlation of birth order/handedness, etc and personality disorders.
N/C? God, I WISH!!! There is one child from the first marriage and two from the second. And, to top it all off, both N/P’s are working together to cause me as much suffering as possible. They hated each other before but, as the saying goes, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend…”.
There have been times when I wanted to die because of all this. I have taken up smoking and drinking (at 40! Lol!) to “hurry up” the process because why the hell would I want to be around at 60, financially ruined and with poisoned kids who hate me because of what I did to dad?!
But I’ve decided I’m gonna write a damned book about what I’ve gone through with these losers and hopefully MAKE money from them instead!
Is it me, or is the media catching on to these kinds of sob’s? There’s even a show about psychopaths now (Dexter) which isn’t really an accurate portrayal at all (and those of us who have been around the block probably “get that”), but the trend seems to be heading towards thinking about them….
Jim –
RE:
1. Either I assume to much …or I ASK TOO MUCH! Boy did I ever fall into that one. I googled the question and got the most surprising answer straight from a Scotsman (honestly never thought about it before…just assumed until your post) ..and now ROTFLMA in my kitchen at the Kilt jokes and the history.
2. Hint.. (Stick to discussing the “stock market, and politics”)
3. I not posting with you anymore, you were right, you are way too boring! 🙂
Stay well everyone, stay focused and stay NC!!!
Having gone to Scottish Festivals for years to do scottish cattle demos (my Scottish Highland CAttle) and Border Collie demos, I have seen several guys that went “regimental” (no undies) who had an attack by a BRISK BREEZE who SHOULD NOT have gone regimental. LOL
BTW Jim and Learn-ED, NEITHER OF YOU ARE BORING! You are both waaaay to smart and funny to be boring!