In a prior post, I discussed some differences between the narcissist and sociopath, a focus I’d like to continue in this post. For convenience’s sake, I’m going to use “he” and “him” throughout, although we can agree that “she” and “her” could easily be substituted.
The narcissist, if I were to boil his style down to one sentence, is someone who demands that his sense of self (and self-importance) be propped-up on a continual basis. Without this support—in the form of validation, recognition, and experiences of idealization—the narcissist feels depleted, empty, depressed.
The narcissist struggles to define himself independently and sustainedly as significant and worthwhile. The fragility of his sense of self is no big news; it is how he manages his fragility, his insecurity, that is telling.
The narcissist, for instance, feels entitled to a sense of inner comfort and security. More specifically, he feels entitled to what he requires in order to experience an unbroken state of inner comfort.
But wait a second? Don’t we all feel somewhat entitled to what we need in order to feel secure and comfortable?
Most of us, after all, feel entitled to the air we breath that keeps us alive. You might feel entitled, when dehydrated, to a cold stream of water from your kitchen faucet? Imagine feeling an intense thirst, yet when you twist the faucet, no water comes out? The pipes are empty”¦everywhere in the house.
You are deeply thirsty, and yet the water you count on to salve your thirst is being withheld. In this circumstance, especially if your thirst is great, you might feel outraged? Incensed? Even panicked?
You might even feel furious enough to hurl curses and imprecations on the forces conspiring to frustrate your thirst!
Imagine the narcissist’s thirst as constant and deep—a thirst for things like recognition, appreciation, for validation of his importance, and special signifigance. When the narcissist’s thirst for recognition is unmet, it is no small matter—anymore than it would be a small matter to find a spigot unresponsive in the midst of your urgent thirst.
In other words, the frustration of his demand of recognition is a major disappointment, a major problem for the narcissist—a problem felt not merely as an inconvenience, but as a threat to his fundamental equilibrium, sense of security, and comfort.
In a certain sense, then, that the narcissist feels “entitled” doesn’t make him a narcissist. It is what he feels “entitled to” that is most relevant.
Specifically, it is his sense of entitlement to an undisturbed stream of others’ approval, admiration and recognition that most separates the narcissist from the non-narcissist.
But the narcissist demands more than others’ idealization; he also demands others to idealize. The narcissist needs to idealize others.
For instance, when he finally meets, yet again, the “perfect woman,” he puts her on a pedestal—i.e., he idealizes her. Idealizing her—putting her on a pedestal—makes for thrill and excitement (which, by the way, he misjudges again and again as fulfillment).
After all, he is tasting perfection. He must be pretty special to have the enviable attention of someone so perfectly, admirably beautiful. He looks and feels good thanks to the reflection of her perfection on himself.
One of many problems here is that idealized states are inherently temporary and unsustainable; they don’t hold up permanently; they are fraught all the time with dangers of collapse.
Thus, the narcissist can’t permanently hold his idealizations. And he finds their collapse, over and over again, discouraging and deeply disillusioning. But instead of recognizing the futility of his need, he will blame the formerly idealized object for failing to have remained as perfect, and perfectly satisfying, as he demanded.
The narcissist loses something urgent here, namely the key to his feeling of vitality. Inarticulately, he feels betrayed; and in his sense of betrayal, he feels angry, even enraged.
Enter his “contempt.” The underbelly of the narcissist’s idealizing is his contempt. The narcissist tends to vacillate between experiences of idealization and contempt. In either case (or “state”), others are regarded as objects—objects, we shall see, not quite in the sense that sociopaths regard others as objects.
For the narcissist, others have an obligation to maintain his peace of mind. In the narcissist’s world, it is on others, through their cooperation with his demands, to ensure his ongoing inner comfort and satisfaction. When meeting his demands, others are idealized; when disappointing him, they are devalued contemptuously.
What else does the narcissist demand? The narcissist on pretty much a constant basis demands various forms of reassurance. It may be reassurance of his attractiveness, superiority, special status in a girlfriend’s eyes (and history). He may seek reassurance of his virility, that he is still feared, respected, admired, idealized, and otherwise perceived as impressive.
For the narcissist, such reassurance, even when felt, proves always only temporarily satisfying, and is translated as something like, “I’m okay, for now. I’ve still got it. I’m still viable.”
In his pursuit of reassurance, the narcissist is a very controlling individual. His controlling tendencies arise from his desperation—his desperation, that is, for the reassurance he demands. And desperate people tend to be heedless of the boundaries of those who have what they want.
The narcissist, for instance, may grill his partner controllingly about her ex-boyfriends in order to establish (demand assurances of) his unique, special status with her. Or, he may text her during the day compulsively, in the guise of his interest in, and love, for her, when, in fact, it is not about his love or interest but rather about his demand to know that she is thinking about him that drives his invasive behavior.
He will rationalize his invasiveness as his thoughtfulness and love of her. And he will feel entitled to an immediately reassuring response, anything less than which will activate his anger/rage.
The narcissist’s legendary self-centeredness, to some extent, is a function of the fact that so much, if not all, of his energy is invested in resolving anxious questions about his present standing.
He is vigilantly afraid lest his present, fragilely, and externally supported status be upended, a development he struggles to tolerate. Consumed as he is with obviating this disaster, he has little energy left with which to be genuinely interested in others.
How about the sociopath? What’s his deal?
To begin with, the sociopath lacks the narcissist’s insatiable underlying neediness. Unlike the narcissist, the sociopath’s violating behaviors stem less from a deep insecurity than from his impulsive or calculated greed, and especially his basic view of others as objects, as tools, to be exploited for his entertainment, amusement and ongoing acquisitive agenda.
The sociopath is a more purely exploitative individual than the narcissist. For the narcissist, others are desperately needed, and demanded, as validators. Athough the narcissist will use and exploit others, he does so typically with the ulterior motive of reassuring himself, on some level, of his persisting viability.
For the sociopath, others are his potential “play-things,” their value a function of the gratification that can be extracted from them.
The less validating you are, the less worth you have for the narcissist.
The less exploitable you are, the less worth you have for the sociopath.
Said differently, the narcissist uses others as a means to establish (or reestablish) the sense, and view, of himself, as special, impressive, dominant, compelling, whereas the sociopath uses others more for the pure amusement of it; more for the sheer entertainment of seeing what he can get away with (and how); and/or for the immediate satisfaction of his present tensions, itch, and/or greed.
The term “malignant narcissist” seems to me to describe the sociopath more accurately than the narcissist. This term has been used to describe megalomaniacal individuals whose grandiosity and sinister appetite for control (over others) better reflect, to my mind, psychopathic processes of exploitation.
The “malignant narcissist” is, to my mind, driven by the sociopath’s (or psychopath’s) pursuit of omnipotent control over those he seeks to exploit. He is a power-hungry, often charismatic, ruthless and exploitative personality whose grandiosity serves more psychopathic than classically narcissistic purposes.
Don’t misunderstand me: The malignant narcissist is someone whose most toxic narcissistic qualities have attained malignant status (hence the concept). In the end, however, he is as coldblooded, callous, exploitative and deviant a creature as the most dangerous sociopath.
Does it matter, finally, whether a cult figure like, say, Jim Jones, who led hundreds of his followers to mass suicide, was a “malignant narcissist” or psychopath? Not if you regard the terms, and destructiveness of the personalities, as essentially indistinguishable, as I do.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
LOL Elizibeth, I hear you with the sleep issues. I have worked way too hard (and sometimes slip back into) analyzing mode. I know all the truth that I need to know. The rest is like There is no real answer to why sometimes……it’s simply BECAUSE THEY CAN !!
E;izabeth Conley-“Disappoint the rest of us often enough, and we’ll gently recuse ourselves from the relationship. Disappoint a Sociopath or Narcissist, and they’ll do their best to hurt us to the greatest extent they are capable.”
Favorite Lovefraud saying: “The Truth will set you Free, but first it will piss you off.”
The corollary: “When THEY see the Truth is setting YOU free, it REALLY pisses THEM off”
Time to be careful, have a plan to escape, and NO CONTACT!
To me the “terms” applied to these TOXIC people are NOT IMPORTANT. I use “psychopath” most of the time because Hare did and it seems to “fit.” Liane’s article about what the correct term is (or is not) and how the PROFESSIONALS need to get their chit together and decide on SOME term and stick to it. LOL Semantics!
“TOXIC personality disorder” covers them ALL. For clinical and legal purposes there may be a NEED for a defining term, but for OUR PURPOSES, we know they are TOXIC. My egg donor does not fit any particular clinical diagnosis and so I invented my own of “psychopath by proxy” in that she does the “work” and “bidding” of my P-son.
In the END, all we NEED TO KNOW is that these people have some level of some of the same patterns of USING AND ABUSING others. There are also “degrees” of violence,, some use emotional violence and lies to punish their victims, and control them, others use physical force and even murder. Does THAT make a difference? Yes, in terms of the kind and extent of irreversable damage they do, but the bottom line is, they are TOXIC and the only way we can survive is to get clear of the CLOUD OF POISON FOG that they emit.
And when you think you have them figured out, along comes another one with a slightly different way of presenting.
Dr. Robert Hare notes that talk therapy is not helpful and may even be harmful with a psychopath, because it offers a higher level of “training” in how to manipulate others. The S/P I was involved with had all sorts of fine words, many of them from the AA Big Book, and from counseling sessions he’d attended. He didn’t rage, he would just go silent.
He would move large, ugly pointless cast-off pieces of office furniture into the living area, which was already piled high with his moving boxes. “I need three desks for all the areas of work that I’m doing.” The desk sat, unusable, blocking half of the sofa. He refused to move it, refused to discuss it. It was too heavy for me to move. This wasn’t greed, it wasn’t exploitation. It was pure malice, practiced with a charming grin on his face, and a refusal to even acknowledge my complaint. HE could sit and watch TV, but I couldn’t see over the desk. (No, I NEED the desk for my work, and that’s the only place.) This lowlife wasn’t working, and later when he was “working” it was all about actively choosing to create destructive campaigns that were disguised as “help.”
Sorry — take GREED off that list of traits. This “exploitation” was all about controlling space just to harm me. I was the one who was making money. In ways I couldn’t see and didn’t understand, he used the time to ensure that my business was fully and completely destroyed, and so was my ability to pick up and start over.
Steve:
Good post. I at times still wrestle with what exactly I was involved with. I guess I do because he viewed me as such a prize in the beginning — it showed the world that he was pretty good to hook me and I gave him a constant source of emotional support.
And then the D and D began.
You’re right. End of the day it doesn’t matter exactly what he’s called. He’s absolutely destructive and toxic to me.
Elizabeth Conley:
“The Sociopath I dealt with: Charming, Openly vain, Craves excitement, Violent criminal history, No sense of responsibility, usually loads of fun to be around, parasitic lifestyle, capriciously alternates between cruel and kind, unspeakably vicious to those who are kindest to him, astoundingly, uninhibitedly, openly exploitive.”
Mine didn’t have the violent criminal history. His was nonviolent — stealing paycecks. But that difference is a fine shade of gray. A criminal history is a criminal history is a criminal history.
It was his unspeakable visciousness to those who are kindest to him. I would have done and did do everything I could to help him rebuild his life after he was released from prison. His treatment of me was so cruel, exploitive and yes, vicious. I’ll never understand how he could treat me, who was so in his corner, in such a manner.
Matt,
As you say, criminal history is criminal history. I happen to agree with you that violent or not, carelessly criminal behavior suggests S.
When Narcissists commit crimes, there are many layers of protection between them and getting caught. There are also a lot of rationalizations between them and the knowledge that what they’re doing is wrong, much less criminal.
As a rule, narcissists don’t get caught committing crimes. When they do, it’s because they’ve become totally fearless as a result of long term success in fooling most of the people, most of the time.
Sociopaths don’t mind being wrong, and they don’t worry a whole lot about being caught.
My sociopath was just weird. He’d do stuff that didn’t make sense, like throwing away most of his stuff. He shopped and was constantly buying more things. He’d buy things until he was broke or at least said he was broke. I think buying things is all that gave him pleasure.
I’m glad that he’s gone. Even with all this stuff over my head I still feel happier. Sometimes it’s bad, but it mostly because I can’t make my heart understand how he could do these things.
Elizabeth,
My P-son was so DUMB with his crimes that it did NOT take a “rocket scientiest” cop to figure out who the guilty party was with ANY of his felony crimes.
He was SO ARROGANT though about how “smart he is” and how DUMB the cops were that the actually thought, I believe, that he would get away with his crimes. Even after being caught repeatedly as a juvy and then as an adult and doing time, he killed the girl who “ratted him out” in the crime they were committing together, even though it was so POORLY PLANNED that again there was NO WAY they would NOT have been caught. This is a kid in the 99th percentile of IQ. You would think he would have “planned” a bit better, but he didn’t. Maybe it was because his impulse and foresight were not yet fully developed as a teenager when he committed the majority of his crimes. His latest attack on me was a bit more subtle and he arranged it so that if anyone got caught it would be his buddy that actually pulled the trigger.
Of cours3, when I cottened on to the fact that I was being stalked to be killed, and took off into hiding, his “buddy” changed his plans and discarded my P-son for his own benefit and he and my X-DIL stole money from my egg donor and were going to take off, leaving my P-son high and dry!
If they hadn’t tried to kill my son C (I am SURE that was the X-DIL’s idea) they could have gotten away with two paid for vehicles and $50K, but because they tried to kill C, they got caught, got nothing but jail time and lost ALL of the assets they had…both are afoot, both had no clothing or other things when they came out of jail/prison, etc. So they sure didn’t “think ahead” with their VERY POORLY PLANNED SCAM. Even if they had managed to kill C (and I thank GOD that they did not) they would NOT have gotten away with it I don’t think. (though I do know a local P who did get away with a cold blooded execution style murder of his GF’s husband) he was tried but got off. His GF who was an accomplice turned on him but she was so pathetic on the stand they let the man walk. She did get the husband’s money though.
Sabinne, a lot of the things they DO will NEVER MAKE SENSE to you. I am glad that you are having more peace without him than with him, even with the crap he is pulling. (((Hugs))))
Good heavens, Oxy. I’m so glad you made it out alive. Thank god, my ex doesn’t care enough to kill me. For once in my life, I am so glad that I’m poor–my ex would have left me a husk, in dumpster or chopped up in a freezer somewhere if I did. I would feel sorry for the mealticket he’s with, but honestly she knows he’s a monster and doesn’t even care. I want to tell the cops that if she disappears to not look any further than him. I know he’s capable of it.
I am new to this forum and EVER-thankful for it!
I’ve been dealing with a socio/narcissistic (malignant, I believe) on and off for about 3 years. While he has been very generous and has done a FEW nice things, I’ve done 10x as many in return.
Whatever. I met him and entertained his “nutball” behavior during a rather downtrodden time in my life, when my mom was living in my home — dying of cancer. (I have forgiven myself for my entanglement.)
I’m thankful that my own pain wasn’t so much that it caused me any *true* harm —- but, I am ashamed of my fascination with the offender.
I fancy myself to be an intelligent lifeform, and my fascination with the offender lies within cracking the code of the “kiss ‘n kill” behavior — and its HUGE extremes, with ZERO notice/warning nor explanation.
While I never initiate contact with my personal socio/narc offender, I am always compelled to respond to his contact. (What’s up with THAT?! I think it’s just idle fascination…. albeit, could be dangerous. I get that. I protect myself always.)
Lastest? Invited (BEGGED/PLEADED/CRIED TO) me to *just* dinner and conversation, worshipped me (insincerely, natch — with acting and MUCH eye-rolling from me) throughout the brief evening ……………. and INSISTED on writing me a $3k check as a ……… GIFT.
I took the check.
I deposited the check.
NOTE: I did NOT “need” the check. I was thinkin’ … “oh wow! After all the socio/narc behavior … I get a PRIZE! WOO HOO!”
Whatever.
When I left him that evening at 11pm, he phoned me at 11:45 to make sure I got home alright. (… you know, because he CARES! LOL!) He also *begged* me to phone him in the morning when I woke up.
Did it.
No answer.
Called again later.
No answer.
Left a text msg thanking him for a “wonderful evening for his generous gift.”
Here we are ….. 2 days later; no return calls, BUT:
an email pops up for me, which states (AND I KID YOU NOT!!!!!):
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“I just got your email about a GIFT!! Are you high! I offered a short term loan only. Why on earth would I GIVE you $3,000!! I have stopped payment on the check. Please do not contact me again.”
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My keyboard suffers the only casualty, as it received my spewed first cup of coffee this morning.
So — they go OUT of their way to invite you to be … injured BY them?
This is how they get off?
Seriously.
That’s IT????