In a prior post, I discussed some differences between the narcissist and sociopath, a focus I’d like to continue in this post. For convenience’s sake, I’m going to use “he” and “him” throughout, although we can agree that “she” and “her” could easily be substituted.
The narcissist, if I were to boil his style down to one sentence, is someone who demands that his sense of self (and self-importance) be propped-up on a continual basis. Without this support—in the form of validation, recognition, and experiences of idealization—the narcissist feels depleted, empty, depressed.
The narcissist struggles to define himself independently and sustainedly as significant and worthwhile. The fragility of his sense of self is no big news; it is how he manages his fragility, his insecurity, that is telling.
The narcissist, for instance, feels entitled to a sense of inner comfort and security. More specifically, he feels entitled to what he requires in order to experience an unbroken state of inner comfort.
But wait a second? Don’t we all feel somewhat entitled to what we need in order to feel secure and comfortable?
Most of us, after all, feel entitled to the air we breath that keeps us alive. You might feel entitled, when dehydrated, to a cold stream of water from your kitchen faucet? Imagine feeling an intense thirst, yet when you twist the faucet, no water comes out? The pipes are empty”¦everywhere in the house.
You are deeply thirsty, and yet the water you count on to salve your thirst is being withheld. In this circumstance, especially if your thirst is great, you might feel outraged? Incensed? Even panicked?
You might even feel furious enough to hurl curses and imprecations on the forces conspiring to frustrate your thirst!
Imagine the narcissist’s thirst as constant and deep—a thirst for things like recognition, appreciation, for validation of his importance, and special signifigance. When the narcissist’s thirst for recognition is unmet, it is no small matter—anymore than it would be a small matter to find a spigot unresponsive in the midst of your urgent thirst.
In other words, the frustration of his demand of recognition is a major disappointment, a major problem for the narcissist—a problem felt not merely as an inconvenience, but as a threat to his fundamental equilibrium, sense of security, and comfort.
In a certain sense, then, that the narcissist feels “entitled” doesn’t make him a narcissist. It is what he feels “entitled to” that is most relevant.
Specifically, it is his sense of entitlement to an undisturbed stream of others’ approval, admiration and recognition that most separates the narcissist from the non-narcissist.
But the narcissist demands more than others’ idealization; he also demands others to idealize. The narcissist needs to idealize others.
For instance, when he finally meets, yet again, the “perfect woman,” he puts her on a pedestal—i.e., he idealizes her. Idealizing her—putting her on a pedestal—makes for thrill and excitement (which, by the way, he misjudges again and again as fulfillment).
After all, he is tasting perfection. He must be pretty special to have the enviable attention of someone so perfectly, admirably beautiful. He looks and feels good thanks to the reflection of her perfection on himself.
One of many problems here is that idealized states are inherently temporary and unsustainable; they don’t hold up permanently; they are fraught all the time with dangers of collapse.
Thus, the narcissist can’t permanently hold his idealizations. And he finds their collapse, over and over again, discouraging and deeply disillusioning. But instead of recognizing the futility of his need, he will blame the formerly idealized object for failing to have remained as perfect, and perfectly satisfying, as he demanded.
The narcissist loses something urgent here, namely the key to his feeling of vitality. Inarticulately, he feels betrayed; and in his sense of betrayal, he feels angry, even enraged.
Enter his “contempt.” The underbelly of the narcissist’s idealizing is his contempt. The narcissist tends to vacillate between experiences of idealization and contempt. In either case (or “state”), others are regarded as objects—objects, we shall see, not quite in the sense that sociopaths regard others as objects.
For the narcissist, others have an obligation to maintain his peace of mind. In the narcissist’s world, it is on others, through their cooperation with his demands, to ensure his ongoing inner comfort and satisfaction. When meeting his demands, others are idealized; when disappointing him, they are devalued contemptuously.
What else does the narcissist demand? The narcissist on pretty much a constant basis demands various forms of reassurance. It may be reassurance of his attractiveness, superiority, special status in a girlfriend’s eyes (and history). He may seek reassurance of his virility, that he is still feared, respected, admired, idealized, and otherwise perceived as impressive.
For the narcissist, such reassurance, even when felt, proves always only temporarily satisfying, and is translated as something like, “I’m okay, for now. I’ve still got it. I’m still viable.”
In his pursuit of reassurance, the narcissist is a very controlling individual. His controlling tendencies arise from his desperation—his desperation, that is, for the reassurance he demands. And desperate people tend to be heedless of the boundaries of those who have what they want.
The narcissist, for instance, may grill his partner controllingly about her ex-boyfriends in order to establish (demand assurances of) his unique, special status with her. Or, he may text her during the day compulsively, in the guise of his interest in, and love, for her, when, in fact, it is not about his love or interest but rather about his demand to know that she is thinking about him that drives his invasive behavior.
He will rationalize his invasiveness as his thoughtfulness and love of her. And he will feel entitled to an immediately reassuring response, anything less than which will activate his anger/rage.
The narcissist’s legendary self-centeredness, to some extent, is a function of the fact that so much, if not all, of his energy is invested in resolving anxious questions about his present standing.
He is vigilantly afraid lest his present, fragilely, and externally supported status be upended, a development he struggles to tolerate. Consumed as he is with obviating this disaster, he has little energy left with which to be genuinely interested in others.
How about the sociopath? What’s his deal?
To begin with, the sociopath lacks the narcissist’s insatiable underlying neediness. Unlike the narcissist, the sociopath’s violating behaviors stem less from a deep insecurity than from his impulsive or calculated greed, and especially his basic view of others as objects, as tools, to be exploited for his entertainment, amusement and ongoing acquisitive agenda.
The sociopath is a more purely exploitative individual than the narcissist. For the narcissist, others are desperately needed, and demanded, as validators. Athough the narcissist will use and exploit others, he does so typically with the ulterior motive of reassuring himself, on some level, of his persisting viability.
For the sociopath, others are his potential “play-things,” their value a function of the gratification that can be extracted from them.
The less validating you are, the less worth you have for the narcissist.
The less exploitable you are, the less worth you have for the sociopath.
Said differently, the narcissist uses others as a means to establish (or reestablish) the sense, and view, of himself, as special, impressive, dominant, compelling, whereas the sociopath uses others more for the pure amusement of it; more for the sheer entertainment of seeing what he can get away with (and how); and/or for the immediate satisfaction of his present tensions, itch, and/or greed.
The term “malignant narcissist” seems to me to describe the sociopath more accurately than the narcissist. This term has been used to describe megalomaniacal individuals whose grandiosity and sinister appetite for control (over others) better reflect, to my mind, psychopathic processes of exploitation.
The “malignant narcissist” is, to my mind, driven by the sociopath’s (or psychopath’s) pursuit of omnipotent control over those he seeks to exploit. He is a power-hungry, often charismatic, ruthless and exploitative personality whose grandiosity serves more psychopathic than classically narcissistic purposes.
Don’t misunderstand me: The malignant narcissist is someone whose most toxic narcissistic qualities have attained malignant status (hence the concept). In the end, however, he is as coldblooded, callous, exploitative and deviant a creature as the most dangerous sociopath.
Does it matter, finally, whether a cult figure like, say, Jim Jones, who led hundreds of his followers to mass suicide, was a “malignant narcissist” or psychopath? Not if you regard the terms, and destructiveness of the personalities, as essentially indistinguishable, as I do.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
DebB…kids make it tougher. But depending on the circumstances, and they’re all different, they are pretty perceptive.
I had the good fortune to find a good LCSW therapist early on. A lot of our discussions are about how to deal with parenting time violations, parental alienation, and my daughter’s welfare. She was 10 when the divorce started, and is now 13+.
A lot of areas have counselors available on a “sliding scale” based on financial circumstances, if money is a problem.
Take care in counseling for the kids…so-called licensed psychologists and psychiatrists are not always neutral. I hired one for my daughter and fired her after the third session…she was a recent divorcee with a 12 year old daughter…my daughter said “Dad, she’s taking Mom’s side.”
The Dr. and I had a short phone conversation…she was canned. And I had joint legal custody, so with her final check was a letter forbidding her to see or treat my daughter…
DebB-your children figure out who loves them. Be kind to yourself, read here (look for parenting at-risk children articles at this site, if you haven’t found them already), and talk to the people here…we’ll help any way we can.
MATT: Another “consultation customer” get up and running with your consultation business. WE NEED YA!
DebB,
We’re kindred spirits of a sort – having to deal with the destruction of exP’s and the children we so desperately want to protect from their influence.
My exs’ don’t give a rat’s ass about their kids except as a sort of “power conduit” to control me from afar. Oh, and they REALLY hate paying child support so they have tried (and continue to try) so hard to take custody away from me. I hate it. I hate how confused my children are made after visitation. Sometimes the poisoning is very sublime and doesn’t come to light for a very long time, and then it takes even longer to undo the damage.
Needless to say, I don’t have all the answers about how to protect children from the destruction of their S parents. This has been a major learning curve for me. All I have tried to do is be as truthful as I can possibly be right from the start, without “judging” the other parent. I have found that to be extremely difficult, almost impossible, if not approached with a completely non-judgmental and empathetic mind. Children want to know the “whys” of things, but they also don’t want to be told their father is a “bad person” because that reflects on them as a person, since they’re half of their parent.
In my case, that has been difficult because my second N/P molested our toddler daughter. I don’t know if he did it because she was vulnerable, available, and thought he could get away with it or if it was a tactic to make me sound like a hysterical, vindictive scorned ex-wife (which it did), but in any case, I had to somehow validate my young daughter’s experience AND somehow not condemn her father. So, I just talked to her about that particular behaviour being (extremely) inappropriate and taught her how to protect herself against it. The f**king legal system wouldn’t intervene because there was no “proof” ie – physical damage, and they simply couldn’t take the word of a toddler over an adult so she still has generous access with him. Maybe that’s called “bully-proofing,” I don’t know. All I know is sometimes the truth does, eventually, set us free. I honestly don’t know what else to do to protect them. It’s the best I can do.
However, I have recently gone through the custody/division of assets portion of my divorce from the second N/P I married and I CAN offer you some great advice for you with your worries about custody:
DON’T go through an oral trial! Use written affidavit evidence ONLY! I learned the hard way that my ex-N/P was far more manipulative than I thought and he was able to convince the judge I was the unreasonable one, not him (I’ve written to Donna – hopefully she’ll post my experience). At least with the written evidence provided by an Affidavit trial, you can defend yourself. It’s not so easily done when it’s oral, especially when dealing with someone as skillfully manipulative as P’s seem to be.
DebB, you are welcome.
And I’m glad you’re feeling so confident, looking ahead, knowing what you want, and the nonsense you don’t want! Steve
learnEDthe lesson & Oxy:
ltl #1: your misperception of the mystery under the kilt was Lowlander propaganda. On my mother’s side, the regimental military dress was the Black Watch tartan. Thanks. Oxy-she’ll never see a parade of pipers the same…LOL
ltl #2: not those subjects here. I took enough econ in college for the degree, then lost interest in the rest..an educated idiot. Econ is my passion, politics my hobby. Not here…not with me.
ltl#3…that solves #2, and simplifies my life. If I could just get branded a “P”, no one would talk to me here…and the dishes might get done.
Well…the dishes…thanks everybody…stay safe and heal…
And Oxy and learnEDthelesson…guess who “forwarded” me an email today? Out of the blue. I’m not sure how to absorb it…a video. Hints: Stargazer would love it. Matt…CPR….
Me…I hope there’s not a subliminal message there. Details later…TTFN
This weekend I had such a validating experience.
1) I told an old friend (who I had been out of contact with for about 30 years) the truth about my P experience and she INSTANTLY got it. Turns out she had an abusive husband, and a personality disordered family member. We were both so relieved that the other one GOT IT!
2) The P had tried to target her, with basically the same approach, and THAT was so validating also. She stayed away! GOOD for her! I’m proud of her!
3) The P had misled me about an event that she was present at, one of those lies that was so needless, so pointless, except it made him feel in control to deceive me and withhold information from me. That was early on, when he was professing deep love, so it was validating to learn that even THEN he was playing games with me. It was just more validation that he truly doesn’t have a clue about intimacy or what constitutes a relationship.
Anyway, I left my evening with my friend, just feeling so joyful. I have been “justabouthealed” and I think I’m there. I still have flashes of disgust about him, but not rage anymore”.but I’m so glad I did tell him off when I last had contact, I needed that for MYSELF —and basically I hope more and more people get educated on personality disorders.
And I will be very skeptical about people’s motives the rest of my life. I’m still doing some placating, and other behaviors I want to stop in my life, but at least right when I do them, I’m realizing”god, there I go again! So that is a step forward!
The point is, now when I think of the P I just feel so proud that I have his number and even if he ever dares come round again, I will have no problem telling him to go to hell, no matter who is listening.
A year ago, I was still bursting into tears each day”.it seemed like this day would never come. Hang in there!!!!!! You all are wonderful!
Congratulations, justabout. I’m so glad you got this extra piece of validation. You deserve to be happy after what you’ve been through. It is SO empowering to be able to share our experiences with people in our lives and have them get it. When I told my story to a few people on my reptile site and they supported me, I cried tears of joy. You go, girl!
Jim – Ya saved the best for last! lol Were you surprised you got “something” ? More hints tho… A video on snakes? lol There I go again with the questions…. oh ok… details later. For now sleep is calling…
Justabouthealed – My gf told me eventually I would have flashes of disgust of him, that I truly will want to rid my being of anything about him. She said I will one day be repulsed by him and unphased by his existence. I hope so because his misleading ways (and my acceptance of/allowance of such) really added to my near demise.
Perhaps Im half way there, because I still can get an emotional reaction to certain things. But much much much less than ever before.
And your summation that they are just clueless about intimacy or what constitutes a relationship (besides mirror us/others) sums it up.
Glad you have a validating experience bringing you that much closer to being justabouthealed. Happy 1 year mark on your healing journey.
Some really good post above me. I don’t have anything intelligent to say, but I have come to a place in my healing where I don’t doubt myself and my actions as being responsible for the chaos and the ending of that past toxic relationship with the dysfuctional cluster B. I was reacting to being disrespected and lied to over and over again. And in the bitter end of the relationship I was probably as toxic as he was. The only difference is he knew what he was doing and I didn’t, I was reacting to someone evil with a motive. Love doesn’t ask why – so I am going to stop questioning if I loved him or not because I was constantly asking why. So maybe I never loved him. He was down and out and homeless and I wanted to help him, how it went from that too where it did I will never understand. I had the best of intention’s all the while asking myself why? But one year away from him, I can honestly say with no doubt – I am better off with out him and all memorys of him are turning to disgust……
I had also read in several places the “left handed” connection. My ex is the third born, out of four children. However, he is left handed.