In a prior post, I discussed some differences between the narcissist and sociopath, a focus I’d like to continue in this post. For convenience’s sake, I’m going to use “he” and “him” throughout, although we can agree that “she” and “her” could easily be substituted.
The narcissist, if I were to boil his style down to one sentence, is someone who demands that his sense of self (and self-importance) be propped-up on a continual basis. Without this support—in the form of validation, recognition, and experiences of idealization—the narcissist feels depleted, empty, depressed.
The narcissist struggles to define himself independently and sustainedly as significant and worthwhile. The fragility of his sense of self is no big news; it is how he manages his fragility, his insecurity, that is telling.
The narcissist, for instance, feels entitled to a sense of inner comfort and security. More specifically, he feels entitled to what he requires in order to experience an unbroken state of inner comfort.
But wait a second? Don’t we all feel somewhat entitled to what we need in order to feel secure and comfortable?
Most of us, after all, feel entitled to the air we breath that keeps us alive. You might feel entitled, when dehydrated, to a cold stream of water from your kitchen faucet? Imagine feeling an intense thirst, yet when you twist the faucet, no water comes out? The pipes are empty”¦everywhere in the house.
You are deeply thirsty, and yet the water you count on to salve your thirst is being withheld. In this circumstance, especially if your thirst is great, you might feel outraged? Incensed? Even panicked?
You might even feel furious enough to hurl curses and imprecations on the forces conspiring to frustrate your thirst!
Imagine the narcissist’s thirst as constant and deep—a thirst for things like recognition, appreciation, for validation of his importance, and special signifigance. When the narcissist’s thirst for recognition is unmet, it is no small matter—anymore than it would be a small matter to find a spigot unresponsive in the midst of your urgent thirst.
In other words, the frustration of his demand of recognition is a major disappointment, a major problem for the narcissist—a problem felt not merely as an inconvenience, but as a threat to his fundamental equilibrium, sense of security, and comfort.
In a certain sense, then, that the narcissist feels “entitled” doesn’t make him a narcissist. It is what he feels “entitled to” that is most relevant.
Specifically, it is his sense of entitlement to an undisturbed stream of others’ approval, admiration and recognition that most separates the narcissist from the non-narcissist.
But the narcissist demands more than others’ idealization; he also demands others to idealize. The narcissist needs to idealize others.
For instance, when he finally meets, yet again, the “perfect woman,” he puts her on a pedestal—i.e., he idealizes her. Idealizing her—putting her on a pedestal—makes for thrill and excitement (which, by the way, he misjudges again and again as fulfillment).
After all, he is tasting perfection. He must be pretty special to have the enviable attention of someone so perfectly, admirably beautiful. He looks and feels good thanks to the reflection of her perfection on himself.
One of many problems here is that idealized states are inherently temporary and unsustainable; they don’t hold up permanently; they are fraught all the time with dangers of collapse.
Thus, the narcissist can’t permanently hold his idealizations. And he finds their collapse, over and over again, discouraging and deeply disillusioning. But instead of recognizing the futility of his need, he will blame the formerly idealized object for failing to have remained as perfect, and perfectly satisfying, as he demanded.
The narcissist loses something urgent here, namely the key to his feeling of vitality. Inarticulately, he feels betrayed; and in his sense of betrayal, he feels angry, even enraged.
Enter his “contempt.” The underbelly of the narcissist’s idealizing is his contempt. The narcissist tends to vacillate between experiences of idealization and contempt. In either case (or “state”), others are regarded as objects—objects, we shall see, not quite in the sense that sociopaths regard others as objects.
For the narcissist, others have an obligation to maintain his peace of mind. In the narcissist’s world, it is on others, through their cooperation with his demands, to ensure his ongoing inner comfort and satisfaction. When meeting his demands, others are idealized; when disappointing him, they are devalued contemptuously.
What else does the narcissist demand? The narcissist on pretty much a constant basis demands various forms of reassurance. It may be reassurance of his attractiveness, superiority, special status in a girlfriend’s eyes (and history). He may seek reassurance of his virility, that he is still feared, respected, admired, idealized, and otherwise perceived as impressive.
For the narcissist, such reassurance, even when felt, proves always only temporarily satisfying, and is translated as something like, “I’m okay, for now. I’ve still got it. I’m still viable.”
In his pursuit of reassurance, the narcissist is a very controlling individual. His controlling tendencies arise from his desperation—his desperation, that is, for the reassurance he demands. And desperate people tend to be heedless of the boundaries of those who have what they want.
The narcissist, for instance, may grill his partner controllingly about her ex-boyfriends in order to establish (demand assurances of) his unique, special status with her. Or, he may text her during the day compulsively, in the guise of his interest in, and love, for her, when, in fact, it is not about his love or interest but rather about his demand to know that she is thinking about him that drives his invasive behavior.
He will rationalize his invasiveness as his thoughtfulness and love of her. And he will feel entitled to an immediately reassuring response, anything less than which will activate his anger/rage.
The narcissist’s legendary self-centeredness, to some extent, is a function of the fact that so much, if not all, of his energy is invested in resolving anxious questions about his present standing.
He is vigilantly afraid lest his present, fragilely, and externally supported status be upended, a development he struggles to tolerate. Consumed as he is with obviating this disaster, he has little energy left with which to be genuinely interested in others.
How about the sociopath? What’s his deal?
To begin with, the sociopath lacks the narcissist’s insatiable underlying neediness. Unlike the narcissist, the sociopath’s violating behaviors stem less from a deep insecurity than from his impulsive or calculated greed, and especially his basic view of others as objects, as tools, to be exploited for his entertainment, amusement and ongoing acquisitive agenda.
The sociopath is a more purely exploitative individual than the narcissist. For the narcissist, others are desperately needed, and demanded, as validators. Athough the narcissist will use and exploit others, he does so typically with the ulterior motive of reassuring himself, on some level, of his persisting viability.
For the sociopath, others are his potential “play-things,” their value a function of the gratification that can be extracted from them.
The less validating you are, the less worth you have for the narcissist.
The less exploitable you are, the less worth you have for the sociopath.
Said differently, the narcissist uses others as a means to establish (or reestablish) the sense, and view, of himself, as special, impressive, dominant, compelling, whereas the sociopath uses others more for the pure amusement of it; more for the sheer entertainment of seeing what he can get away with (and how); and/or for the immediate satisfaction of his present tensions, itch, and/or greed.
The term “malignant narcissist” seems to me to describe the sociopath more accurately than the narcissist. This term has been used to describe megalomaniacal individuals whose grandiosity and sinister appetite for control (over others) better reflect, to my mind, psychopathic processes of exploitation.
The “malignant narcissist” is, to my mind, driven by the sociopath’s (or psychopath’s) pursuit of omnipotent control over those he seeks to exploit. He is a power-hungry, often charismatic, ruthless and exploitative personality whose grandiosity serves more psychopathic than classically narcissistic purposes.
Don’t misunderstand me: The malignant narcissist is someone whose most toxic narcissistic qualities have attained malignant status (hence the concept). In the end, however, he is as coldblooded, callous, exploitative and deviant a creature as the most dangerous sociopath.
Does it matter, finally, whether a cult figure like, say, Jim Jones, who led hundreds of his followers to mass suicide, was a “malignant narcissist” or psychopath? Not if you regard the terms, and destructiveness of the personalities, as essentially indistinguishable, as I do.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Surreal: Yep. That’s a great story! It looks like it has all the elements, all in a two-day period — woo, flatter, dump, and injure!
The variations are — they marry us so they can inflict more pain because it’s harder for us to run away. They maintain other so-called relationships on the side, so they have more people to hurt (control, toy with, manipulate) in more ways. They are likely to have no limits on who they will mess over just to maintain their sense of power. Gaining the trust of a child to then harm the child so that the MOTHER is emotionally/psychologically/legally injured would be just another variation.
By the way, does he owe you money? Was he paying back a loan that you made to him? (as Oxy would say, ROTFLMAO!!!)
Surreal:
Agree with Rune — it’s got all the elements.
My question for you — why do you even respond? NC is the way to go.
Hi Rune & Matt!
I feel dirty and guilty, because I already admitted that I’m “fascinated” with the behavior.
Also, I mentioned that I’ve not been harmed in any lasting way. (If I didn’t say *exactly* that — I meant to, and I apologize.)
YES, I have cried real tears.
YES, I have found myself in the fetal position on my bed for half a day …..
…. because of him.
BUT — it was only during my very, very vulnerable time — and I’ve forgiven myself — and I understand why I was able to be vulnerable to it.
That said, it doesn’t excuse my fascination!!! I’ve always been genuinely interested in human behavior. I consider him a ‘fluke’ in my life.
I respond to his “on again” wish for contact because the fascination continues.
I do NOT excuse his behavior, but I wish to study it and learn about it.
As an aside ….. a HAPPY aside — I feel as though my experiences with this particular shytehead gives me the opportunity to help others who even *HINT* at dealings with similar lifeforms.
I dunno.
I want to help people…………….. because I’m …………. normal, feeling, thinking, breathing, caring, loving.
If I do something against my better judgement and am harmed by it, I know who to blame. Myself. I have no such intention.
This very sick sick SICK behavior is similar to my inability to look away from a head-on collision on the highway, with body parts all over said highway.
I’m thankful for my own grace and compassion — yet, feel guilty for wanting to …………. look.
Make sense?
RUNE said: “woo, flatter, dump, and injure!”
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Yes! That IS the modus operandi.
What the phuck?
How does he think he can continually do this and not reap wrath from the Universe?
HOW?
RUNE also said: “hey maintain other so-called relationships on the side, so they have more people to hurt (control, toy with, manipulate) in more ways.”
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Oh, WOW!
Also, dead on!!!!
In fact — he *gave* his “crackberry” the other night, so I could SEE all the other wom… Errrr……….. VICTIMS.
I only wish I had a photographic memory to have remembered all their phone numbers, but:
Can I save someone who’s already up to their eyeballs IN it?
Those women would prolly view me as “a woman scorned” or jealous or somethin’…. ya know?
It felt helpless, for me.
Dear Surreality,
Welcome to LoveFraud, glad you are here.
I am “fascinated” about WHY you took the check in the first place.
Your “fascination” with something you know is toxic, to me, is akin to playing with a rattlesnake and being “fascinated” by its behavior.
I STRONGLY suggest you stay around here and read about the Ps and learn LONG DISTANCE about them, not up close and personal! LOL I also suggest that you figure out why you are fascinated with playing with “fire” because as I see in (IMHO) you are playing with fire, and don’t know why.
KNOWLEDGE=POWER and that is I think what you need, knowledge about yourself. I didn’t really start to “heal” until I quit worrying so much about what they are or what they did, but figuring out WHY I was vulnerable. I know some of the “whys” you were vulnerable, and obviously you do too, your mother being ill and dying is enough to make one vulnerable…I learnd why I was vulnerable and it has now freed me to no longer be fascinated with THEM, but to repair the missing pieces of MY psyche that allowed me to be vulnerable, and it was much more than my husband’s accidental and tragic death 4 1/2 yrs ago. Glad you are here, this is a healing place, for US!
Hiya OxDrover….
My only explanation is that ……… considering all I know about the offender (his family, his friends, his liaisons) … if he’s capable of being truly harmful to anyone — it would be to someone that doesn’t realize he’s a sociopath.
I do realize he is one.
I took the check, because I felt I was “owed” something…. even though I didn’t ask to be “paid” anything.
It was a “gift.”
I had zero expectations about the check. In FACT, my experience is that you can put yourself in danger by *rejecting* the “generosity” of these types of psychos. I didn’t wanna risk that.
While I thought the check would *probably* clear (written from his corporate law firm checking account), I was also not surprised about the email ‘notice’ received this morning.
Nothing about him shocks me.
I’m impermeable.
I feel thankful that I didn’t ask for the money … OMG! Can you imagine? What if I’d actually asked for money?????!!!!! What if I needed it?! Oyyyy.
Anyway, I’m interested in discussing the BIZARRE behavior … the things they say and contradicting things they DO…. and …… why!
Don’t you wonder why?
I mean, is everything just thrown into the “oh, well — s/he is a sociopath!” basket?
That’s the ONLY explanation?
Can they be branded or tattooed to be identified by others????
I think it should be a law.
Really.
Surreal: Their brains are wired differently. Their motivations are different. They don’t think like you, they don’t want what you want. What they want is likely something that will make sure you DON’T get what you want.
If you have a desire, they probably want to thwart it. You may not even know you have a desire, but they may choose to set it up so you HAVE a desire (give you the check) and then take it away. The thrill is in jerking you around, manipulating. “Call me when you wake up!” so that when you call, he won’t answer.
Why do you want to mess with this insanity? How about hanging out with people whose minds you CAN understand? Where you will know that they mean what they say, that their jokes are jokes, and their sincerity can be trusted!
Hi Rune,
Yes, I understand the thrill for them is in seeing pain from their victim. I’m guilty of wanting to know why. Apparently there’s no answer other than, “they’re wired that way.”
Okay! I’ll get with that program. 🙂
I have many real friends and family. I think that’s why I’m still more fascinated than injured. Everyone has identified the behavior as “sick” or “psycho” or “sociopathic.” And, I agree.
Just curious, is all! 🙂
My contact with the culprit is intermittent — not often — like once every 3-5 months.
Is it possible for you to understand that I can be fascinated yet NOT “taken” with anything at all about him? 🙂
Please consider that, okay?