In a prior post, I discussed some differences between the narcissist and sociopath, a focus I’d like to continue in this post. For convenience’s sake, I’m going to use “he” and “him” throughout, although we can agree that “she” and “her” could easily be substituted.
The narcissist, if I were to boil his style down to one sentence, is someone who demands that his sense of self (and self-importance) be propped-up on a continual basis. Without this support—in the form of validation, recognition, and experiences of idealization—the narcissist feels depleted, empty, depressed.
The narcissist struggles to define himself independently and sustainedly as significant and worthwhile. The fragility of his sense of self is no big news; it is how he manages his fragility, his insecurity, that is telling.
The narcissist, for instance, feels entitled to a sense of inner comfort and security. More specifically, he feels entitled to what he requires in order to experience an unbroken state of inner comfort.
But wait a second? Don’t we all feel somewhat entitled to what we need in order to feel secure and comfortable?
Most of us, after all, feel entitled to the air we breath that keeps us alive. You might feel entitled, when dehydrated, to a cold stream of water from your kitchen faucet? Imagine feeling an intense thirst, yet when you twist the faucet, no water comes out? The pipes are empty”¦everywhere in the house.
You are deeply thirsty, and yet the water you count on to salve your thirst is being withheld. In this circumstance, especially if your thirst is great, you might feel outraged? Incensed? Even panicked?
You might even feel furious enough to hurl curses and imprecations on the forces conspiring to frustrate your thirst!
Imagine the narcissist’s thirst as constant and deep—a thirst for things like recognition, appreciation, for validation of his importance, and special signifigance. When the narcissist’s thirst for recognition is unmet, it is no small matter—anymore than it would be a small matter to find a spigot unresponsive in the midst of your urgent thirst.
In other words, the frustration of his demand of recognition is a major disappointment, a major problem for the narcissist—a problem felt not merely as an inconvenience, but as a threat to his fundamental equilibrium, sense of security, and comfort.
In a certain sense, then, that the narcissist feels “entitled” doesn’t make him a narcissist. It is what he feels “entitled to” that is most relevant.
Specifically, it is his sense of entitlement to an undisturbed stream of others’ approval, admiration and recognition that most separates the narcissist from the non-narcissist.
But the narcissist demands more than others’ idealization; he also demands others to idealize. The narcissist needs to idealize others.
For instance, when he finally meets, yet again, the “perfect woman,” he puts her on a pedestal—i.e., he idealizes her. Idealizing her—putting her on a pedestal—makes for thrill and excitement (which, by the way, he misjudges again and again as fulfillment).
After all, he is tasting perfection. He must be pretty special to have the enviable attention of someone so perfectly, admirably beautiful. He looks and feels good thanks to the reflection of her perfection on himself.
One of many problems here is that idealized states are inherently temporary and unsustainable; they don’t hold up permanently; they are fraught all the time with dangers of collapse.
Thus, the narcissist can’t permanently hold his idealizations. And he finds their collapse, over and over again, discouraging and deeply disillusioning. But instead of recognizing the futility of his need, he will blame the formerly idealized object for failing to have remained as perfect, and perfectly satisfying, as he demanded.
The narcissist loses something urgent here, namely the key to his feeling of vitality. Inarticulately, he feels betrayed; and in his sense of betrayal, he feels angry, even enraged.
Enter his “contempt.” The underbelly of the narcissist’s idealizing is his contempt. The narcissist tends to vacillate between experiences of idealization and contempt. In either case (or “state”), others are regarded as objects—objects, we shall see, not quite in the sense that sociopaths regard others as objects.
For the narcissist, others have an obligation to maintain his peace of mind. In the narcissist’s world, it is on others, through their cooperation with his demands, to ensure his ongoing inner comfort and satisfaction. When meeting his demands, others are idealized; when disappointing him, they are devalued contemptuously.
What else does the narcissist demand? The narcissist on pretty much a constant basis demands various forms of reassurance. It may be reassurance of his attractiveness, superiority, special status in a girlfriend’s eyes (and history). He may seek reassurance of his virility, that he is still feared, respected, admired, idealized, and otherwise perceived as impressive.
For the narcissist, such reassurance, even when felt, proves always only temporarily satisfying, and is translated as something like, “I’m okay, for now. I’ve still got it. I’m still viable.”
In his pursuit of reassurance, the narcissist is a very controlling individual. His controlling tendencies arise from his desperation—his desperation, that is, for the reassurance he demands. And desperate people tend to be heedless of the boundaries of those who have what they want.
The narcissist, for instance, may grill his partner controllingly about her ex-boyfriends in order to establish (demand assurances of) his unique, special status with her. Or, he may text her during the day compulsively, in the guise of his interest in, and love, for her, when, in fact, it is not about his love or interest but rather about his demand to know that she is thinking about him that drives his invasive behavior.
He will rationalize his invasiveness as his thoughtfulness and love of her. And he will feel entitled to an immediately reassuring response, anything less than which will activate his anger/rage.
The narcissist’s legendary self-centeredness, to some extent, is a function of the fact that so much, if not all, of his energy is invested in resolving anxious questions about his present standing.
He is vigilantly afraid lest his present, fragilely, and externally supported status be upended, a development he struggles to tolerate. Consumed as he is with obviating this disaster, he has little energy left with which to be genuinely interested in others.
How about the sociopath? What’s his deal?
To begin with, the sociopath lacks the narcissist’s insatiable underlying neediness. Unlike the narcissist, the sociopath’s violating behaviors stem less from a deep insecurity than from his impulsive or calculated greed, and especially his basic view of others as objects, as tools, to be exploited for his entertainment, amusement and ongoing acquisitive agenda.
The sociopath is a more purely exploitative individual than the narcissist. For the narcissist, others are desperately needed, and demanded, as validators. Athough the narcissist will use and exploit others, he does so typically with the ulterior motive of reassuring himself, on some level, of his persisting viability.
For the sociopath, others are his potential “play-things,” their value a function of the gratification that can be extracted from them.
The less validating you are, the less worth you have for the narcissist.
The less exploitable you are, the less worth you have for the sociopath.
Said differently, the narcissist uses others as a means to establish (or reestablish) the sense, and view, of himself, as special, impressive, dominant, compelling, whereas the sociopath uses others more for the pure amusement of it; more for the sheer entertainment of seeing what he can get away with (and how); and/or for the immediate satisfaction of his present tensions, itch, and/or greed.
The term “malignant narcissist” seems to me to describe the sociopath more accurately than the narcissist. This term has been used to describe megalomaniacal individuals whose grandiosity and sinister appetite for control (over others) better reflect, to my mind, psychopathic processes of exploitation.
The “malignant narcissist” is, to my mind, driven by the sociopath’s (or psychopath’s) pursuit of omnipotent control over those he seeks to exploit. He is a power-hungry, often charismatic, ruthless and exploitative personality whose grandiosity serves more psychopathic than classically narcissistic purposes.
Don’t misunderstand me: The malignant narcissist is someone whose most toxic narcissistic qualities have attained malignant status (hence the concept). In the end, however, he is as coldblooded, callous, exploitative and deviant a creature as the most dangerous sociopath.
Does it matter, finally, whether a cult figure like, say, Jim Jones, who led hundreds of his followers to mass suicide, was a “malignant narcissist” or psychopath? Not if you regard the terms, and destructiveness of the personalities, as essentially indistinguishable, as I do.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
He will hurt you when he doesn’t get his way. Sounds like a tantrum to me. No, it was the S.
Lately all of the S’s sick, gross, eerie, putrid comments have been filling my head, … and leaving. I am writing them all down as they come in a journal. Why?, to see what had been spewed to me all this time and the craziness of it all.
Thanks, Matt — I’ve been looking over both of those books on Amazon, tonight. And I suppose I am looking for discussion about the sociopath, in general, instead of a “support group.” So, you pretty much nailed it.
I did spend 8 months of frequent contact with him several years back, but these days it is only an evening every 6 months or so. I used to think his problem was strictly alcoholism, but now I’ve learned that it’s far more evil and unfixable.
No way would I flirt with it again. I would prefer to enjoy life. 😉
Is opn – I have this unresolved and until you said this (I thought I was only one who had this take on it) but there is just something so STRONG in my belief about his past having stagnated him/his growth/his emotional intelligence. He says his childhood was unremarkable, very supportive parents, very involved with school and always a good student. (He and his parents are estranged from his sister… but she was one of the first that “Cut him off” over family issues… he showed up at her home to make amends/discuss the family rift and she wouldnt answer door and never took his calls. He gave up. He had a few relationships in highschool (usual breakups etc.) and then his College Love of his Life… moved in together after college, vows of marriage, head over heels (beginning of bad spending habits – spoiling her, gifts, etc. possible pregnancy which in the midst of the scare she told him she had to transfer and work in another town – he was devasted and heartbroken/but she made promises of continuing the relationship, he got van, moved her into what he didnt know at the time was a new place for her and a guy she began seeing. HE LOST IT. LOST IT. She sent him an email (I saw it) day before she was to marry the other guy – for him to please come rescue her. (N/S/P???) He did not go. She subsequently told him she named her childs middle name after him. After that relationship is when he said as he puts it “Learned the most valuable lesson of a lifetime about women”. They became a game, a toy, an object, something to screw and play head games with. Needless to say I spent years and years and years trying to debunk his views, show him compassion, patience, kindheartedness, FRIENDSHIP, you name it – I was going to open his eyes to women that dont intend to hurt/harm/use a man. AND GUESS WHAT I GOT IN RETURN ….HURT,HARMED AND USED. But I am certain that while this guy had the potential traits of an S, they did not come full surface until he experienced horrific emotional pain and god onlly knows what he went through in his childhood as far as emotional/physical abuse that may have contributed to his diagnosis. But I believe there is something genetic as well as environmental atmosphere from some point in his past that set him off on the path of exhibiting the personality traits and eventually becoming a full fledged S. I know some will not agree with my take on this. And I respect that. But it just my view now, today, in the place that I am in the healing process.
Matt: Re: his ex finally reached a point in life where she got honest
Yes I think she had become honest with herself, and realized this relationship was destructive and moved to where she really wanted to be, but I don’t think she truly knew he was an S and never will. In the S’s former relationship he was different. He took care of the one child they had, she was never home, busy career, in many clubs, causes and things.
In the divorce he won custody. (The child got to choose). Yikes. He fooled the psyches and the courts.
There is NC with our child/ren. On both sides, mutual and will stay that way.
Do you think that an S plays the same games with all of their romantic involvements?, and changes the tactics slightly if they are not working?
What the X’s X said to me recently was that the S, was a dim wit. She thinks he is slow. A mask he wears to appear to be slow, quiet, kind. She is coming around to a new definition of him after our talk.
I guess there is hope for me to have survived him. If she can laugh him off as being a dim wit, I can laugh him off as an S and NC.
re: What your S is mad about is she is the one who discarded him before he could discard her.
I never thought of it this way, is this why he walked out on me so many times? Before I could do it to him? History repeating itself in another form.
The S still plays her, she plays back but I think it is on the surface. But that appears to be enabling to me. Anyhow she seems very fulfilled with her career, relationships, and clubs and causes. Living through an S has made her life better.
There is hope to return to a balanced life without an S, to rule and destroy my world.
Is Opn,
I wondered and questioned some of the same things. The XS/P was married for 26 years. I was married for 22. I felt that he was 1. stable, having been married for so long (being naiive and assuming that longevity of marriage means something to everyone. 2. He took a high moral stance regarding men cheating. (then later told me he had a short affair because his wife pissed him off) In the beginning they are angry. They just hide it better. In the end they are angry. It’s probably the only emotion they truly feel.
I later learned that “short” affair lasted a year and a half. He lied to her too. I also learned that his marriage lasted so long because his wife NEEDED him to survive financially and didn’t (still doesn’t) want the truth. He wants to believe his own lies and even when I found him in bed with someone he was convinced it was ok because I drove him to that behavior. HE REALLY BELIEVES I VIOLATED HIS TRUST BECAUSE IN HIS MIND I WOULD HAVE CHEATED ON HIM ANYWAY. I was the one who couldn’t be trusted. Are you kidding me? And STILL I try to make sense of it all????? There is no sense to the nonsense !!!!
He was so stereotypical of what Steve wrote above. Most of them are. I was idealized. Loved it. Loved him for it. And the more he started realizing that I wasn’t that perfect reflection he hated me more and more and showed his disrespect by violating me, ditching me, cheating on me, leaving me over and over. Or did he really hate himself? He abused me as he despised his reality?
SurReality,
It’s all very bizzare and I find that the more I ask why and try to make sense of it all the more confused I get. All I know is that I was on the road to becoming “fascinated” with his behavior, in the meantime he was abusing me verbally, emotionally, and psychologically as my brain and heart were working to find the answers to the fascination of how could a man treat me so badly while I loved him so much? Because he is trash. Because he is sick. he is not injured. He is no longer abused. he is a grown man making these choices.
My therapist asked me during a session if I ever saw those people who are fascinated by snakes…..you know they go into dark caves to pick up the snakes and inevitably get bitten about a dozen times a day. They have been bitten so many times that they just become immune. So what’s the purpose of the fascination with the snakes except that you later become numb to the poison? …….. It doesn’t mean anything really and why would we want to live our lives like that with a snake who bites over and over and over because it SIMPLY IS WHAT THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY DO.
Is Opn: Although I respect Matt’s opinion, I could also suggest that your S’s ex-wife was so traumatized by her relationship with him, that she decided she would rather be with a woman than a man.
My understanding is that women who have had a damaging, high-conflict relationship with a man may feel more comfortable turning to relationships with women, even if that is not their usual sexual preference. I also understand that this is more likely to happen with women than with men — that men are much less likely to turn to men for comfort without being substantially attracted more to men than women. I would also say that the possible damage is that a woman may make that decision, and then break the heart of her female partner when she changes her mind about her gender preference.
I do believe that human sexuality operates on a spectrum with some people more polarized in their preference, and some people genuinely available for same-sex or opposite sex relationships. I do think, though, that trauma can push someone in a different direction.
Is opn:
“Do you think that an S plays the same games with all of their romantic involvements?, and changes the tactics slightly if they are not working?”
Sure do. There have been enough people who have posted on this site who have learned that their ex-Ss have run the same drill or previous and subsequent releationships right down to using the same lines on the others and taking them to the same place. If they want something/someone badly enough I think the more organized of sociopaths can change tactics. But, I think they are the exception rather than the rule.
Matt: I saw the guy I was with run a script so many times. It was like he didn’t really have the capacity for an original thought — he just borrowed from others. I think he would watch for new ideas, but he couldn’t improvise, because he didn’t really KNOW anything!
I truly believe that our creativity comes from a heart center. I dreamed about the S/P the other night: in the dream he did not have a physical heart. I wonder what the dream was trying to tell me?
Is Opn,
RE: Matt’s post above. I was a bit obsessed with trying to find out whether I was the only one in this entaglement of abuse and lies. I felt like maybe it WAS me who was causing it. Maybe there WAS something wrong with me…… and as you can imagine I heard that from the S/P almost every day. It was all my fault. And his daughters and sister maade excuses for him and so it must have been me.
Until I had a conversation with the woman with whom he had an affair four years earlier and learned that he met her in the same exact place he met me. Said the same thing as he approached her. Told her the same lies and stories. Took her to the same places for weekend vacations. He left her often. he told her he was almost divorced and had been separated (but he had never left his wife) and he just up and ditched her one day, never to be heard from again.
Although I found some comfort in knowing that it wasn’t me, my fault, my issue……. it angered me more. He talked like his relationship with her meant nothing. He just “slept with her” because his wife pissed him off. Well he did the same thing to me…. and probably to her,…… and probably many others over the 26 years he was married. AND HE WILL AGAIN.
Rune,
I have a dream interpretaion book. There is nothing in there about dreaming about a heart. I think it is what it is…… no heart. LOL