In a prior post, I discussed some differences between the narcissist and sociopath, a focus I’d like to continue in this post. For convenience’s sake, I’m going to use “he” and “him” throughout, although we can agree that “she” and “her” could easily be substituted.
The narcissist, if I were to boil his style down to one sentence, is someone who demands that his sense of self (and self-importance) be propped-up on a continual basis. Without this support—in the form of validation, recognition, and experiences of idealization—the narcissist feels depleted, empty, depressed.
The narcissist struggles to define himself independently and sustainedly as significant and worthwhile. The fragility of his sense of self is no big news; it is how he manages his fragility, his insecurity, that is telling.
The narcissist, for instance, feels entitled to a sense of inner comfort and security. More specifically, he feels entitled to what he requires in order to experience an unbroken state of inner comfort.
But wait a second? Don’t we all feel somewhat entitled to what we need in order to feel secure and comfortable?
Most of us, after all, feel entitled to the air we breath that keeps us alive. You might feel entitled, when dehydrated, to a cold stream of water from your kitchen faucet? Imagine feeling an intense thirst, yet when you twist the faucet, no water comes out? The pipes are empty”¦everywhere in the house.
You are deeply thirsty, and yet the water you count on to salve your thirst is being withheld. In this circumstance, especially if your thirst is great, you might feel outraged? Incensed? Even panicked?
You might even feel furious enough to hurl curses and imprecations on the forces conspiring to frustrate your thirst!
Imagine the narcissist’s thirst as constant and deep—a thirst for things like recognition, appreciation, for validation of his importance, and special signifigance. When the narcissist’s thirst for recognition is unmet, it is no small matter—anymore than it would be a small matter to find a spigot unresponsive in the midst of your urgent thirst.
In other words, the frustration of his demand of recognition is a major disappointment, a major problem for the narcissist—a problem felt not merely as an inconvenience, but as a threat to his fundamental equilibrium, sense of security, and comfort.
In a certain sense, then, that the narcissist feels “entitled” doesn’t make him a narcissist. It is what he feels “entitled to” that is most relevant.
Specifically, it is his sense of entitlement to an undisturbed stream of others’ approval, admiration and recognition that most separates the narcissist from the non-narcissist.
But the narcissist demands more than others’ idealization; he also demands others to idealize. The narcissist needs to idealize others.
For instance, when he finally meets, yet again, the “perfect woman,” he puts her on a pedestal—i.e., he idealizes her. Idealizing her—putting her on a pedestal—makes for thrill and excitement (which, by the way, he misjudges again and again as fulfillment).
After all, he is tasting perfection. He must be pretty special to have the enviable attention of someone so perfectly, admirably beautiful. He looks and feels good thanks to the reflection of her perfection on himself.
One of many problems here is that idealized states are inherently temporary and unsustainable; they don’t hold up permanently; they are fraught all the time with dangers of collapse.
Thus, the narcissist can’t permanently hold his idealizations. And he finds their collapse, over and over again, discouraging and deeply disillusioning. But instead of recognizing the futility of his need, he will blame the formerly idealized object for failing to have remained as perfect, and perfectly satisfying, as he demanded.
The narcissist loses something urgent here, namely the key to his feeling of vitality. Inarticulately, he feels betrayed; and in his sense of betrayal, he feels angry, even enraged.
Enter his “contempt.” The underbelly of the narcissist’s idealizing is his contempt. The narcissist tends to vacillate between experiences of idealization and contempt. In either case (or “state”), others are regarded as objects—objects, we shall see, not quite in the sense that sociopaths regard others as objects.
For the narcissist, others have an obligation to maintain his peace of mind. In the narcissist’s world, it is on others, through their cooperation with his demands, to ensure his ongoing inner comfort and satisfaction. When meeting his demands, others are idealized; when disappointing him, they are devalued contemptuously.
What else does the narcissist demand? The narcissist on pretty much a constant basis demands various forms of reassurance. It may be reassurance of his attractiveness, superiority, special status in a girlfriend’s eyes (and history). He may seek reassurance of his virility, that he is still feared, respected, admired, idealized, and otherwise perceived as impressive.
For the narcissist, such reassurance, even when felt, proves always only temporarily satisfying, and is translated as something like, “I’m okay, for now. I’ve still got it. I’m still viable.”
In his pursuit of reassurance, the narcissist is a very controlling individual. His controlling tendencies arise from his desperation—his desperation, that is, for the reassurance he demands. And desperate people tend to be heedless of the boundaries of those who have what they want.
The narcissist, for instance, may grill his partner controllingly about her ex-boyfriends in order to establish (demand assurances of) his unique, special status with her. Or, he may text her during the day compulsively, in the guise of his interest in, and love, for her, when, in fact, it is not about his love or interest but rather about his demand to know that she is thinking about him that drives his invasive behavior.
He will rationalize his invasiveness as his thoughtfulness and love of her. And he will feel entitled to an immediately reassuring response, anything less than which will activate his anger/rage.
The narcissist’s legendary self-centeredness, to some extent, is a function of the fact that so much, if not all, of his energy is invested in resolving anxious questions about his present standing.
He is vigilantly afraid lest his present, fragilely, and externally supported status be upended, a development he struggles to tolerate. Consumed as he is with obviating this disaster, he has little energy left with which to be genuinely interested in others.
How about the sociopath? What’s his deal?
To begin with, the sociopath lacks the narcissist’s insatiable underlying neediness. Unlike the narcissist, the sociopath’s violating behaviors stem less from a deep insecurity than from his impulsive or calculated greed, and especially his basic view of others as objects, as tools, to be exploited for his entertainment, amusement and ongoing acquisitive agenda.
The sociopath is a more purely exploitative individual than the narcissist. For the narcissist, others are desperately needed, and demanded, as validators. Athough the narcissist will use and exploit others, he does so typically with the ulterior motive of reassuring himself, on some level, of his persisting viability.
For the sociopath, others are his potential “play-things,” their value a function of the gratification that can be extracted from them.
The less validating you are, the less worth you have for the narcissist.
The less exploitable you are, the less worth you have for the sociopath.
Said differently, the narcissist uses others as a means to establish (or reestablish) the sense, and view, of himself, as special, impressive, dominant, compelling, whereas the sociopath uses others more for the pure amusement of it; more for the sheer entertainment of seeing what he can get away with (and how); and/or for the immediate satisfaction of his present tensions, itch, and/or greed.
The term “malignant narcissist” seems to me to describe the sociopath more accurately than the narcissist. This term has been used to describe megalomaniacal individuals whose grandiosity and sinister appetite for control (over others) better reflect, to my mind, psychopathic processes of exploitation.
The “malignant narcissist” is, to my mind, driven by the sociopath’s (or psychopath’s) pursuit of omnipotent control over those he seeks to exploit. He is a power-hungry, often charismatic, ruthless and exploitative personality whose grandiosity serves more psychopathic than classically narcissistic purposes.
Don’t misunderstand me: The malignant narcissist is someone whose most toxic narcissistic qualities have attained malignant status (hence the concept). In the end, however, he is as coldblooded, callous, exploitative and deviant a creature as the most dangerous sociopath.
Does it matter, finally, whether a cult figure like, say, Jim Jones, who led hundreds of his followers to mass suicide, was a “malignant narcissist” or psychopath? Not if you regard the terms, and destructiveness of the personalities, as essentially indistinguishable, as I do.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
OxDrover: Good advice to be checked for anyone.
Rune: My head is spinning behind my back as I type. I think I got part of it.
The sex part was my S’s main hold on me. He was the stud. He had no money to support me or take me anywhere and I was the foodbag.
Emotional rape. Yes it is. Realizing it is, is so important to heal.
My S would do the bedroom gymnastics, and as soon as he got out of bed would tell me, “You’re crazy you need medication.” After all that I thought why bother, that last hour was lost with those comments. I did not understand. Sex was the hold, the only thing he could do to control the situation. And when I said something he did not like he would be cold.
But he thought he was the stud for a long time and his head scraped the ceiling for how proud he was.
OxDrover: Yes I have a big thrill with this knowledge of sex with an S.
The hold on sex was there, and no relationship that was normal. I too am old fashioned in that department. Not that desire is not there but I have to be in a relationship and I have only had a few. The S had to know everything about my former activities in that department, which had issues. He changed that in order to seem different. He worked it, the knowledge.
I can’t wait for the party and the parade with you riding your donkeys!!! LOL. Who is making the hats? Does the farm store have hip waders at a good price? LOL
Gosh this site has really helped alot and everyone here. I wish I had this knowledge seven years ago. I thought an S was only a serial killer. Thank you.
Yes, Is Opn. Yes, absolutely. My precious, simple loving dog, with a lick to my face, has more love in him. But how was I to know? The S/P made such a good show of being authentic!
Last night, for the first time in at least several years, I dreamed of someone just loving me. Hand touching, just being. I think I might be starting to heal.
When we can “unhook” from the idea that those theatrics were about “love” we start to get free. Yes, emotional rape should be a crime, prosecutable by the same penalties as physical rape. This has done damage I didn’t know was possible. It has robbed me of years. I want to be free of it, but understanding it is the first part.
I’m glad you are getting it. I don’t want anyone else to suffer any more than they have to before they find a community of dedicated helpers.
Is opn,
You sound so much like me this past year. I can only use the word BIZARRE these days. The scale of emotion in trying to “figure it out” is just BIZARRE.
With regard to the sex…..I didn’t have a sex life with my x husband so the sex (and maybe any at all) was a bonding experience for me. As I think through the entire relationship with the XS/P it was simply an act to please himself and sometimes I benefitted from that. Any man who can pick up a biker chick, former stripper two days after we have an arguement, two days after we select items for the house we are building and sleep with her is not emotionally tied to anyone or anything. What he said what not consistent with what he did. NO INTEGRITY.
I’m not sure how long it has been for you with NC. MY relationship with himended Oct 2007, with some contact in between. But that was when the S hit the fan so to speak and the truth came out and I started the investigation.
OXY…..get out the skillet…..I, like you Is opn have spent so much time trying to get into the head of this guy because the bad behavior was so incomprehensible to me that I think I became obsessed with the “truth”, obsessed with tryint o analyze it.him. And I am realizing (here’s where OXY’s skillet comes in) that all the truth in the world will never take care of what I need to do at this point. The truth sets us free but if we don’t let go at some point it will keep us stuck in “victim”. I learn something new about him every week, almost and it jsut makes me continue to think about it, him and try to figure it out.
“Normal” people want rational answers and there are none because they are not rational. They do what they do because they want to and they can, without regard for anyone or anything. We looked to ourselves to determine what we could do to help, what did we do wrong and the answer is nothing. We CAN however help ourselves but accepting that it’s nonsense and we lost time. Some lost money and relationships and a whole lot more. I lost time. I can make up for that.
I hope this makes sense. I keep going back and forth to angry and wanting justice to telling myself it’s time to stop. That’s why we need time to heal. We are smarter because of the painful experience. We can help others to be smarter too !!!!
keeping faith/Is Opn – My experience with the S resonates with comments you both make. My desire to find answers to the questions is sometimes overwhelming. If only I had peace of mind – that seems to be my motto. I look back and see a sliver of normalcy IN ME when things initially were red flaging all over the place and my comfort level (within the realm of a daily normal existence with him) was disappearing because I had never been exposed to someone who acted/operated/responded the way he did. I clearly remember taking the reigns at some early dysfunctional point and saying “do you remember before we took this path, when we were just friends, we had a conversation that when it no longer feels right, we would express that and agree to end” – well Im there, I wish it were different, but its not. So lets be mature respectful adults and say goodbye and appreciate the relationship for what it was.”
HE LAUGHED AT ME, BOLD FACE LAUGHED AT ME. HE REFUSED TO SAY GOODBYE. TOLD ME TO GO F-OFF! I WAS SHELL SHOCKED – ALL THE WHILE MY HEAD SPINNING WITH – WHAT DID HE JUST SAY/WHY DID HE JUST DO THAT/WTF WAS THAT. ???? IT HURT ME TO THE CORE. I THINK I SAID YOUR AN AHOLE. THANKS FOR THE RESPECT AND CLOSURE AND I LEFT.
Yes he contacted me, and yes I am embarrassed to share I went back, and back again, and back again. Yesterday I posted all about him, his background, his relationship history, his childhood. him…him…him… as though thats where all the answers are to my overwhelming need to figure out “how could he do this to me/why did he do this to me” “Whats wrong with him. and what in the world do he go through in his past to make him this way? OMG SKILLET ME!!!!!!!
Today, i am going hiking, I am going to “post’ all about ME, ME, ME, in my brain. My background, my relationship history, my childhood AND IM GOING TO BEGIN TO GET MY ANSWERS AS TO WHY I LET HIM TREAT ME SO DAMN BAD, WHY I LET HIM DO IT TO ME AND WHY HE FELT HE COULD DO IT TO ME. I DONT CARE ANYMORE WHY HE DID WHAT HE DID – HE IS UNHEALTHY. BUT GUESS WHAT AT SOME POINT IN THE EQUATION, I WAS EITHER UNPREPARED, INEXPERIENCED, UNDEREDUCATED ABOUT THESE TYPES OF PERSONALITIES AND UNABLE TO LEAVE, LET GO AND MOVE ON. NOT BECAUSE OF HIM, BUT BECAUSE OF ME.
I wish everyone another healing day today with more clarity with each and every passing day! You all are incredibly insightful, generous and caring people. its going up to 60 here today. Im taking the top front part of the jeep off and Im going to get through this because nobody is worth bringing us down especially when they are not around. It was a life experience, they all cannot be good. And I am not speaking from a perspective of a child molestor S/P, or a murderer S/P, or some of the severely deranged S/P’s out there. I cant begin to imagine how to recover from something like that, although I see here at LF, it is possible to heal and move on from that as well. I am speaking about one who has raped my spirit and soul on a level of goodness, innocence, and love. As with everything on every level, recovery is an ongoing process possibly for a lifetime. But, I for one, want to get out putting myself in his head, and stop trying to figure out his motives, his reasons, his state of mind — and get into mine and get on with life and all the simple pleasures and joys that are awaiting me. Today I am going to start to learn a new lesson – when I focus on myself, and share my experience with others, I can heal the most within. Thanks guys.
Dear Learned…You have said it sister!..happy hiking and healing. TOWANDA!
learnthelesson, Thanks for that post…..all of what you wrote reigns true for me as well, particularly the embarrassment of going back, going back, going back. I too wanted to believe. I tolerated much disrespect and will NEVER do it again for any reason.
So in honor of your post…..today starts about me. We live our lives taking care of others, doing things for husbands, significant others, parents, children, working full time, taking care of a home and friends,…… and we forget to be selfish if that’s what it is called.
I WANT to feel ok about all of this so I can move on. I WANT to remember this relationship for what it was worth. (a lesson about a disorder individual whom I will never truly know or understand and a lesson learned re: myself and what i really desire in a relationship) Basics first:
TRUTHFULLNESS
FIDELITY
RESPECT
INTEGRITY (he does what he says)
If the basics aren’t there, he is not worthy of me or my time. No more time lost. Life is too short. We are too important and have too much good stuff to offer. I am significant today and I am moving from this. learnthe lesson, you are so right, he is not worthy of one more thought.
SurReality
I’m weighing in late on your $3k “gift” post – but if there is NO “legal” agreement of a LOAN – he can go suck eggs – consider it your “payback” for all his crap…
just my 2 cents worth
GL2u
A Real: I had that flicker of a thought as well! We tend to be “too good to be real,” and they count on that with us!