Pathologically self-centered individuals, such as sociopaths or narcissists, often project a level of self-confidence that is pathlogically tremendous. This can be a problem for others who, unlike the sociopath, will be prone to empathy and self-reflection, along with which come self-doubt and hence fluctuating, less dependable levels of confidence.
But the pathologically self-centered individual is often seemingly immune to self-doubt and can thus seem implacably, impressively confident. Why?
The answer is suprisingly simple: When your interest in others is principally, if not entirely, about what you can get, or take, from them; when you lack the capacity for, and/or inclination to, genuine, thoughtful self-reflection; and when the meaning, or purpose, of life is fundamentally reduced to the expectation, and pursuit, of continual gratification, you have a prescription not only for pathological self-centeredness, but its frequent concomitant—pathological self-confidence.
Think about it: for such an individual, it is mostly, and sometimes only, about what he wants. And if he knows what he wants, such an individual will feel entitled to it. And his sense of entitlement becomes self-validating—self-validating, that is, of whatever argument, rationalization, or manipulation brings him closer to his demand.
In other words, the pathologically self-centered individual has something very powerful in his favor—conviction. His is the conviction of his entitlement, of his right to have what he wants—whether it’s agreement, an apology, special attention, cooperation, sex, a favor, forgiveness, you name it.
And he wields his sense of conviction powerfully and persuasively—all the moreso if he’s also articulate and glib.
This explains how a sociopath can look you in the eye and blame you for something—even his victimization of you—and yet you struggle to fully disbelieve him. As I just noted, if he is intelligent and glib, he is in an even better position to erode your sense of reality. He can construct positions, however absurd and even confirming of his sociopathic orientation, that nevertheless have just enough superficial plausability to arrest your attention.
Once you’ve been disarmed, even slightly, his impregnably confident assertions, stemming from his pathological self-centeredness, can have a brainwashing influence.
You wonder if you’re not crazy? The “gaslighting effect” is in full throttle. It is disorienting, literally, to have someone present even a ridiculous proposition, demand, or accusation with unwavering confidence and certitude. And the disorienting effect is magnified exponentially when the assertion is simultaneously packaged in superficially intelligent, coherent, “rational”-sounding language. Confidence in one’s sense of reality can wane, and fail, under this combination assault.
This can explain why sometimes extremely intelligent, thoughtful and self-respecting individuals can actually be at greater risk of accepting and tolerating abuse. It can be a case of the exploiter’s pathologically inflated confidence overwhelming the more self-questioning, self-doubting individual’s reality.
(My use of “he” in this article was for convenience’s sake, and not to suggest that females are not capable of the behaviors described. This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
learnedthelesson:
Just returned. It was very nice — he paid. Seriously, the nicest part was that the conversation flowed for over two hours — and know what? S WASN’T MENTIONED ONCE. It was just easy, free-flowing conversation. I’m still amazed that S didn’t find his way into the converstion after all the time and resources that S took from both this guy and me.
Personally, this guy is nobody’s fool and I suspect that he has figured out what S and S’s ex (before me) are all about. He had told me about 8 months ago that he had finally cut off the ex when the ex came looking for cash. I suspect he has figured out what S is all about.
I think this was an interesting life-lesson for me. That victims of a sociopath can actually spend time with each other and NOT waste time talking about a sociopath.
Endthepain:
1. Change your number again…..
2. buy a disposable cell phone and put it on a family plan….cost is about 10.00 a month. Give S the Number of THAT phone. Set up voice mail on the cell phone and stick it in a drawer and check it weekly or whenever for messages. You are not hiding your son from him, you are available by phone, you just do not have to be available via your Main phone number, freaking out whenever the phone rings thinking it may be him.
This gave me piece of mind.
Try to do some heavy breathing……With all your mite…try to keep yourself even!
Your a strong woman!
Matt –
Would you ever have thought in your wildest dreams that you would be having lunch today with this person!!!!! See how life is so unpredictable. Im glad it went well and flowed and you enjoyed yourself.
Tread lightly with this situation…but enjoy the newfound friendship and keep your RFS (red flag system) in check. There may never be any mention of him or there may be..but as long as you remain in control of exactly what you planned on saying and dont EVER veer from that you will always be able to put the S behind you in forging ahead with new situations and friendships.
Really glad it turned out so well today!
Matt:
Are you ABSOLUTELY SURE this guy you had lunch with was not sent by S to see if you would talk about him?
I find it incredible that neither of you spoke of S. It is like the elephant in the room that you both ignored.
Did you make plans to see him again?
Be very careful. You know these are the kinds of webs S’s like to spin.
I am very skeptical of these types of situations, because I’ve been in so many. It is usually a fact-finding mission for at least one of the parties involved.
If you both want to put S behind you, then you should establish that through dialogue. Don’t just assume it!
Be very careful.
Rosa:
This guy is much older than I. He falls into the category of what I call “friend-lite.” More than an acquaintance, but not somebody I would pour my heart out to. Interesting to meet for an occasional lunch or a drink. But, that’s about it. No plans to see him anytime in the near future.
As a matter of fact, I told him if he wanted to venture over to my family’s house in Greece, he was more than welcome. I was curious to see if he’d rise to the bait and ask me if I’d been back since I took S there (and which S made a hell-on-earth for me). Nope.
If I had to lay bets on it, I suspect his usefulness to S has been exhausted since he made it clear to me that this economic collapse has affected him substantially (translationL the “borrowing” window is closed to S).
But, I intend to steer a very wide berth around the topic of S.
Matt:
O.K. I feel better now.
Matt –
This is ringing a bell. I did not mention my S’s name when I met his friend who had also helped him, after we split. But he was there for the S. And when I dumped him, he soldiered up, took care of things. Beware. I’ve scrolled up to find the embryo of this and cannot.
Endthepain –
Document, document, document. Getting a cold phone is not a bad idea, but make sure your son calls back. The goal here is not just a custody arrangement but a TERMINATION OF PARENTAL RIGHTS. You need to show he does not care. A call returned, and not returned back for a week or more, over and over, not doctors visits attended, no meetings at the school, you can do it. Get rid of him.
okay…I did the phone thing. I actually spoke with my ex S lastnight. Stayed strong and he was very quiet..just listened…after I finished he said he would think about it and get back to me.
Basically what I did was put it back in his lap as far as our son goes reinforced that my son needs consistency and that I am not trying to keep him from seeing him just that he needs to get his act together before he does…get a job a place to live..figure out ehat state he is going to live in for gods sakes and that this is on him and he needs to deal with this not his wife as I will not be pit against her again and not his mother as she will not be our go between. I didnt bring up thre child support. I told him he could call his son whenever he would like to andgave him the number.
I plan on using this as more leverage to document hios lack of caring…at the same time remaining distant enought to not get pulled under by him. My son wanted to call him today..so i let him..he told him he loved him and missed him..it was nice to see my son so happy to hear from him. (altho I know it wont last long) any advice on going forward….I know Im treading thin here with any contact…so help me..I already looked into the court to open custody up as well.
Endthepain,
You did good, just stuck to your son and no other issues. I’m not sure you can deny visits because of no job or place to live, is there anyone who could take him to a suitable location, bowling alley maybe, and let them spend time together? You’re right not to bring up support, they can have a $50k judgment and still the right to visit.
I’m worried too about contact. Need to write to set up a paper trail for a deduction, Matt’s method.
Just keep your phone records, if it’s a cell it’s all on-line, the calls will drop in frequency, hopefully.
usedandabused…thank you! the support is much needed : ) Yes I have actually put in motion for any visits to be at his mothers house…I am very close with her and she loves my son dearly..so that will be the only place it will happen UNTIL he can get himself situated wherever that will be and yes I kept it strictly about my son! baby starps..I know..but I feel good…as far as bringing up the job and place to live I did that more so he knows Im not messing around regarding support..he has to support himself and stop relying on other people as I will not lower the child support amount…I was subtle and got my point across