Do psychopaths know what they are? Do they know that they are different from the rest of us? I believe the answer to both of these questions may be yes. As neuropsychiatry makes progress, science offers various thoughts and opinions on the matter. But while medicine is working hard to unlock the mind’s secrets, we may be able to draw valuable discussion from our own experiences.
Since psychopaths are not a particularly introspective group, I am not suggesting that they possess great insight regarding their pathology. However, I believe they do have some level of awareness. They may realize that they do not experience appropriate emotions and that they live their lives and view their worlds with the emotional mute buttons on.
“I figured it out…I know what you are”
When I realized that I had been touched by psychopathy, it took me quite some time to digest all that revelation brought with it. I knew I was not dealing with “normal,” but what was I dealing with?
Behaviors and solutions that would typically work under normal circumstances set us back when dealing with this population. Adjusting to the concept takes time. While I was still learning, I was still saying too much and also allowing the manipulations to bother me. I was in the process of trying to make sense of the nonsense and working to rectify issues that could never be solved. I tried, but trial and error prevailed and sometimes, I got it wrong. With my understanding too fresh to accurately process what was occurring, I allowed myself to become frustrated and exhausted from the underhanded tactics. On one occasion, when I could no longer take it, I emphatically blurted, “I figured it out…I know what you are.”
I am not sure what I expected might occur when I announced that “I knew,” but I was completely unprepared for what came next. The individual had been walking away from me, but then stopped dead in his tracks. He stood still with his back toward me for a moment. Then, turned and advanced toward me. His eyes met mine and I was on the receiving end of a deliberate, piercing stare. The eyes that could double as daggers were poised to intimidate. Glaring and angry, he replied, “I know you did. I know you know.”
What? The investigator in me wanted to continue the conversation very badly. I wanted to know what he knew about himself. I considered the possibility that he may not have heard me correctly. How did he know what I meant? But he did know. Chills quickly replaced my curiosity. I turned away and left. If he knew what he was, all the wrongs, all the evil were, without question, intentional. Pain, suffering, abuse, unhappiness, and shear destruction had been purposely inflicted with full awareness and for or with some degree pleasure.
Interestingly, I never said the word. Sociopath, psychopath, narcissist never crossed my lips. Shortly after this encounter, this individual ramped up the attacks and staunchly advertised his “normality,” while threatening and belittling me. Suddenly, I was “disturbed” and a “PhD,” in an attempt to discredit me and my assertions.
Previously, he merely blamed me for his actions, claiming that the behaviors were the consequences for my “insanity.” But this was different. I uncovered something he never thought I would. First hand, I witnessed the “I’ll get you before you get me” mentality – the smear campaign. Sticks and stones…for now I was armed with understanding.
Gray or color?
What must it be like not to feel genuine emotions or to feel them so completely differently than non-psychopaths? What must it be like to view the surroundings so differently than others? How must it be to know life in black and white, when we see color?
They may have great disdain for us as a result of the warmth in our souls, something they will never know or feel. They want revenge for our existence and throw temper tantrums mirroring those of toddlers if they do not succeed in their destructive and controlling efforts. But even when they do get their ways, they are often insatiable, looking for more. As a result, they can be dangerous to us.
When they claim to feel hurt, pain or other normal emotions we experience, their words may merely mask ulterior motives. They are able to behave ruthlessly without second thoughts, often hiding their agendas behind righteous causes. But the anger, jealousy, and rage that they direct toward us shows through as raw and primal. Knowing they know makes the behaviors easier to understand, but no more acceptable.
They are envious of our genuine connections and abilities to love, even if they laugh at us in their next breaths for being “weak” enough to feel. How would they be able to hold such contempt for us, if they had no awareness of our differences? It must be horrible living half alive. Wait…we already know. It was how we lived before we understood. The beauty is that we can recover.
hens says:
“Christine.
My x spath brought me to my lowest low. But trying to educate myself and understand what motivates people like that also gave me some insight into my own issues. The truth will set you free but first it will piss you off. I think your lack of empathy is just you setting boundaries..And maybe your still pissed off, that will pass in time.”
Ok, I finally figured out how to quote another poster lol.
Hens, thanks for your input. I hadn’t thought of my feeling no empathy towards some in terms of boundaries, but I think you’re right. I never set boundaries before and now I am the further along I get in my healing.
Learning about spaths and my relationships with them has been invaluable to me learning about myself and what my own issues were/are. It’s been very painful and I hear ya about it bringing you to your lowest low. It’s been gut-wrenching and I am still pissed off, but I’m having more and more days of not giving a chit about him and what he did.
Christine,
Of course, how far along I am in my healing contributed to my lack of empathic feelings toward that woman.
I have been very enabling, co-dependent (I hate that world!), and a people pleaser…and revert to that if I don’t keep myself under control. LOL When you have done it for nearly 60 years, it becomes “natural” to be a people pleaser.
I find that many people who are in the “helping” careers or professions tend to be that way. I think that is why we become nurses and doctors and other helping professionals.
Funny thing, generally prior to my “conversion” I could stand up to clerks, strangers, etc. without any problem, it was only family and those who had been allowed to become “close” to me. People who knew me thought of me as assertive and strong.
In some ways, I was (and still am) very strong, in other ways, I was a total DOOR MAT. Put up with stuff because I was afraid to make anyone unhappy or upset. “peace at ANY price, and I paid the price” “don’t upset the monster”
I’m somewhat “reformed” now, and learning how to set boundaries and enforce them…just like confronting that woman. I felt sorry for her and took her in, but she rebuffed every effort I made to give her an opportunity to help herself. After I saw she was NOT going to help herself, and she started wanting me to take care of her instead….then I realize that it was time for her to go.
I discussed my decision with a psychiatrist I know and she came to the same conclusion I did about the woman, and I gave the woman $150 for gas, just to make sure she had enough to get down the road, and sent her on her way.
Still, that BLANK feeling I had during her “whirling dervish” act did make me wonder if that is how the PSYCHOPATHS feel when we are begging them to stop hurting us. Just BLANK. Totally devoid of empathy or compassion.
D
My daughter is in Washington State to attend her father’s funeral. Her 12 year old son is here with my SIL and his step-sister.
My SIL called me this morning to give me the phone number where my daughter is, and then informed me that he and his daughter were going out of town this week-end, and my daughter was trying to get a hold of me. He said she was also trying to get a hold of her x, her sons bio-dad.
I called my daughter and she asked me if I would stay at her house this week-end, so that her son wouldn’t be alone.
Well, I was aggravated. I asked her why SIL felt the need to take off for the week-end, leaving A alone, and why the responsibility was being dropped in my lap….Mostly, I was just disgusted with my SIL’s lack of responsility….it wasn’t so much that I didn’t want to stay with my GS.
It seems she was trying to finish a broker’s test on the internet and had to have it finished in an hour and a half….she was in no mood to deal with me, ranting about him. She said, “it’s ok mom I’ll get someone else”, and hung up.
About an hour later I texted her, telling her I felt bad for dumping more on her plate right now. I wrote, “of course I will help. Call me.
A little while later, GS’s bio-dad called and asked if I was going to stay with GS over the week-end….he works in a bar, and the week-ends are the busiest nights….I said I was willing to, but that D, had said she would get someone else….was waiting for her to call me. Then I said, call me later, I’ll let you know.
Then I get a phone call from SIL. He says that GS is going to spend tonight with bio-grand-dad, but will I stay tomorrow. I said yes….and as soon as I did, he unloaded on me.
“Ya know Kim”, he says, She doesn’t need you giving her a hard time right now…..” with his superior tone…and this is just the kind of thing he does, and has done in the past. I said I didn’t have to listen to it and hung up.
He then proceeded to text me a succession of abusive text messages that culmanated in him calling me an ungrateful bitch.
I was so angry I was shaking and my stomache was upset.
Keep in mind I’m at work. My daughter is as far away as she can be and still be in the continental US. Bio Dad has been worrying about who will care for his son. Bio-GF has been contacted, and has agreed to keep GS over-night.
SIL threw a temper tantrum, used bullying tactics, got verbally abusive, and is now on his way out of town to have a little fun with his daughter.
I can’t believe this is ok.
Is anybody out there? Oxy? You’re the best at boinking me with a skillet. I’m still a people pleaser, and I still have no boundrys, and I still get totally triggered by narcissistic jerks….God, I just can’t stand an ass-hole manipulating me. And I feel awful for my GS.
Kim ,
Is your daughter’s father your X husband? Goodness , it sounds like your going to have a stressful shitty weekend. Just do the best you can and lay low, take care of the gs and yourself. Sorry If I upset you earlier..hugs
Hens, He’s my first husband, not the one I was married to for 13 years that I post about here.
He was a low-bottom alcoholic and died in his sleep of congestive heart failure. He was living in a camper on his sister”s horse pasture.
He never paid child-support and never sent Birthday cards or called on Christmas.
My daughter was three and a half when I left him , and she says she thought he hung the moon.
He had recently started to reach out to her, and she is pretty upset. His parents never lost contact, and were always good to my girls, sending money at Christmas, and even coming to visit after I remarried and lived in Florida.
Thanks for the hug, Hens. Hugs back.
You didn’t upset me, I was just sorry I upset you.
what a sad life he lived…so sorry you have so much to deal with right now. Kim you can only do so much, seem’s like everybody is pulling at you from all side’s. I have a cyber skillet- now take to boink’s and go take a hot bath and simmer..all will be ok in a few days…
I can’t take a bath and simmer….only have a shower, but I guess I could take a shower and shudder…..
Hens, thank-you for responding. Folks on LF don’t seem to talk to me much anymore….don’t know if I’ve been too mouthy and opinionated, or if it’s because I don’t spend as much time on the net….I’m working full time, or if it’s because my schedual puts on-line when everyone is in bed, or if I just don’t have anything of value to offer them anymore.
It’s always good to know there are still a few of us old-timers around. ((((Hens)))))
KIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE YOU!!!
don’t think I don’t read you or care. It’s just hard to respond to everyone. You know you were one of the first peeps I connected with. We had such a good time playing with online spaths back in ’09.
You are part of my recovery, I’ll always have a place in my heart for you. Ok?
I wish I could be right there for you thru this. Your SIL is a dick. period.
But I don’t have to tell you that. you’ve known it for a long while and you don’t expect anything else. So don’t trouble yourself about it.
You aren’t too mouthy and opinionated. It’s funny but you and Stargazer both connected with me when I first got here on LF. recently you got mad at her. I’m not sure what it is about you both that made me connect. You are the same, yet different. It’s on a level that isn’t intellectual, only emotional.
Anyway, I understand your heartache.
He was a sad narcissist. Maybe not a spath. He still destroyed. It would take a book to open up what he did. Maybe you’ll write it one day.
Kim, I barely know you but you are cherished by me.
Never feel bad. You are awesome.