Do psychopaths know what they are? Do they know that they are different from the rest of us? I believe the answer to both of these questions may be yes. As neuropsychiatry makes progress, science offers various thoughts and opinions on the matter. But while medicine is working hard to unlock the mind’s secrets, we may be able to draw valuable discussion from our own experiences.
Since psychopaths are not a particularly introspective group, I am not suggesting that they possess great insight regarding their pathology. However, I believe they do have some level of awareness. They may realize that they do not experience appropriate emotions and that they live their lives and view their worlds with the emotional mute buttons on.
“I figured it out…I know what you are”
When I realized that I had been touched by psychopathy, it took me quite some time to digest all that revelation brought with it. I knew I was not dealing with “normal,” but what was I dealing with?
Behaviors and solutions that would typically work under normal circumstances set us back when dealing with this population. Adjusting to the concept takes time. While I was still learning, I was still saying too much and also allowing the manipulations to bother me. I was in the process of trying to make sense of the nonsense and working to rectify issues that could never be solved. I tried, but trial and error prevailed and sometimes, I got it wrong. With my understanding too fresh to accurately process what was occurring, I allowed myself to become frustrated and exhausted from the underhanded tactics. On one occasion, when I could no longer take it, I emphatically blurted, “I figured it out…I know what you are.”
I am not sure what I expected might occur when I announced that “I knew,” but I was completely unprepared for what came next. The individual had been walking away from me, but then stopped dead in his tracks. He stood still with his back toward me for a moment. Then, turned and advanced toward me. His eyes met mine and I was on the receiving end of a deliberate, piercing stare. The eyes that could double as daggers were poised to intimidate. Glaring and angry, he replied, “I know you did. I know you know.”
What? The investigator in me wanted to continue the conversation very badly. I wanted to know what he knew about himself. I considered the possibility that he may not have heard me correctly. How did he know what I meant? But he did know. Chills quickly replaced my curiosity. I turned away and left. If he knew what he was, all the wrongs, all the evil were, without question, intentional. Pain, suffering, abuse, unhappiness, and shear destruction had been purposely inflicted with full awareness and for or with some degree pleasure.
Interestingly, I never said the word. Sociopath, psychopath, narcissist never crossed my lips. Shortly after this encounter, this individual ramped up the attacks and staunchly advertised his “normality,” while threatening and belittling me. Suddenly, I was “disturbed” and a “PhD,” in an attempt to discredit me and my assertions.
Previously, he merely blamed me for his actions, claiming that the behaviors were the consequences for my “insanity.” But this was different. I uncovered something he never thought I would. First hand, I witnessed the “I’ll get you before you get me” mentality – the smear campaign. Sticks and stones…for now I was armed with understanding.
Gray or color?
What must it be like not to feel genuine emotions or to feel them so completely differently than non-psychopaths? What must it be like to view the surroundings so differently than others? How must it be to know life in black and white, when we see color?
They may have great disdain for us as a result of the warmth in our souls, something they will never know or feel. They want revenge for our existence and throw temper tantrums mirroring those of toddlers if they do not succeed in their destructive and controlling efforts. But even when they do get their ways, they are often insatiable, looking for more. As a result, they can be dangerous to us.
When they claim to feel hurt, pain or other normal emotions we experience, their words may merely mask ulterior motives. They are able to behave ruthlessly without second thoughts, often hiding their agendas behind righteous causes. But the anger, jealousy, and rage that they direct toward us shows through as raw and primal. Knowing they know makes the behaviors easier to understand, but no more acceptable.
They are envious of our genuine connections and abilities to love, even if they laugh at us in their next breaths for being “weak” enough to feel. How would they be able to hold such contempt for us, if they had no awareness of our differences? It must be horrible living half alive. Wait…we already know. It was how we lived before we understood. The beauty is that we can recover.
(((((((((((((((Kim)))))))))))))))))
Your posts were the first ones I read after I got up (slept out late). I’m sorry for the mess you were in last night! Seems like you had a thorough ride on the merry go round where everyone complained and was angry or annoyed with someone, yet dumped it on someone else’s plate.
I also think you deserve to be boinked over the head for thinking LF posters don’t like to speak with you. That ain’t true! So BOINK!
kim frederick,
Sorry that you had a rough time yesterday. You are loved, appreciated over here. I read lovefraud just about daily but don’t always post. Kim, what you say to others is helpful, beneficial. I love learning about you and your life, being happy for you – you’re living in a great home, have a full-time job, family around you (although that can be problematic at times, mainly with in-laws)… basically, you’re living a solid, peaceful life (occasionally having interruptions though). Hope this makes sense. There are old time posters who you want to hear from, know how they’re doing – Kim, you’re one of them. Enjoy your day, making it a good one.
Kim, I always read everything you have to say, always have always will. You have always been there for me when I am blabberin about my latest drama. There are a hand full of oldtimer’s here that own a piece of my heart and your one of them..oh my.
Kim,
I’m here, too, and I’m sorry you got dumped on by some toxic people. Next time, just say, “No, I’m sorry, I can’t, I have plans.” That will save you a lot of aggravation. It doesn’t matter that your plans are sitting home watching your hair grow. LOL I think you are doing great learning who you can say yes to and who you shouldn’t. I guess this one is a “shouldn’t”. BTW, it took me a while to remember what Sky was talking about with you being mad at me. That’s because it’s already forgotten.
I’m still learning about saying no, too. I had to start saying no to a friend this year whom I’ve helped a lot in the past few years and who has been pretty ungrateful for the help she’s gotten. Now she’s upset with me. Too bad, so sad. I’m much better off.
Anyway, I have a rule about going out of my way to do things for someone. If I can do it with pleasure and without resentment, I say yes. If I start to feel angry or resentful about it, I just say no.
KIM!!!!!!!!! Now, stop that, right now! You’re at a stressful point and someone’s pulled a bunch of triggers, but you know much better than to assert that people on this site don’t “talk” to you, anymore!!!!
BIG, TIGHT, AND FIRM HUGS TO YOU!!!! You’re just feeling triggered, girl – that’s all. And, when I feel triggered (this is me, personally), I feel the need for some instant responses – and, I try to keep in mind that this site can fly, sometimes, and people often can’t keep up with posts.
This is just temporary, and SIL can go piss up a rope, okay? If you “want” to spend time with GS, then that’s one thing. But, being “expected” to take up the reins is quite another thing.
It all comes down to what you will, and will not, tolerate for your own well-being. And, if someone feels you’re a “selfish bitch” because you have boundaries, then FINE!!! I intend to be the most selfish bitch that ever walked where my boundaries and personal needs are concerned, and it’s not that I have abanoned empathy, at all! It’s so that I can maintain empathy and gift that precious quality where it is most needed.
Big, tight, and firm hugs to you, Kim. And, brightest supportive blessings
Hens, this may be a challenging time for you, but your resolve is PRICELESS!!!! Good for YOU for making changes!
You know, when I read of survivors making positive changes out of choice or necessity, it’s 100% encouraging to me, personally. I’m reading resolve and courage, and those are two qualities that spaths wanted so very much to destroy. That you still have those qualities and you’re choosing to put them to use is an absolute inspiration to me.
Wow…..this is a “good day” for me. I’m feeling good about everyone and their progress, and me and my own. Uplifting, courageous, resolved, and inspiring – each of you gives these gifts back to me that I once thought I would never have, again.
Brightest and most humble blessings
Hi Oxy, Kim, sky, alivetoday, shane, sunflower, snowwhite, truthspeak, dmom,
I am so thankful to all of you for helping me while I was overseas for a conference in Europe and met B after 1.5 years of total NC.
I have been reading thru these posts and like alivetoday, Sunflower, snowwhite have mentioned, I felt the same – I missed him, wanted to spend time with him, liked him, hated him. all these feelings gushed into me all at once, the day before my presentation.
I went into a panic and posted on LF and so many kind angels came to my rescue. I handled myself fairly well – thanks to all of you.
what alivetoday has posted – is exactly what I have been feeling on and off. He had a string of women before me and he had told me – in writing and verbally – that all those were shallow meaningless encounters, he would never go back to any of them again and what he had with me was “so different”. early this year (I was NC) – one of my colleagues saw him at a meeting sheepishly holding hands with one of those women (which I know is one of them becoz of the nationality she told me of that girl), I was so crushed – he had told me – he would never go back to them.
anyway, as “alive” mentioned – I still kept NC very strictly, but kept thinking in my mind – is he with her, she must be so happy.
and as “alive” said she must be in bliss to be reunited with him and I sort of felt a loss in a crazy dysfunctional way.
Today after reading all the posts on this thread – I feel so strong – that this discarded victim whom he has reunited with – will also be only for a while – until another suitable one shows up or she will be for standby supply when other supply is low.
what Kim said is true – we are in love with the imaginary lover, the illusion and like “alive” said the “long lasting loyalty that they manipulate us to believe and we allow them to do so.
thanks Donna for his site and thanks so much to all of you for coming to my rescue when I needed you the most.
petitie
Linda, this is a hugely powerful article, and I thank Donna SO much for posting it.
The day that I lost my proverbial marbles and attacked the exspath after learning that he actually had been engaging in deviant sexual activities (after weeks of denials), I remember yelling at him that he was a sociopath – nobody but a sociopath could EVER engage in the betrayals that he had, and he was a bona fide sociopath.
During my outburst, he never said a word, never made a move to push me away, get around me, or even defend himself. He simply stared at me with eyes that clearly had nothing behind them.
Yes. Indeed. And, oh-hey-you-betcha they “know” what they are and that their actions are deliberate. And, the sickest part is that they do not care, on any level.
Brightest blessings
Petite! TOWANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hens, I’m really proud of you. What it sounds like to me is that you are raising your “vibration”. When you do this, you will attract a better quality of people. Good for you, my friend.