Do psychopaths know what they are? Do they know that they are different from the rest of us? I believe the answer to both of these questions may be yes. As neuropsychiatry makes progress, science offers various thoughts and opinions on the matter. But while medicine is working hard to unlock the mind’s secrets, we may be able to draw valuable discussion from our own experiences.
Since psychopaths are not a particularly introspective group, I am not suggesting that they possess great insight regarding their pathology. However, I believe they do have some level of awareness. They may realize that they do not experience appropriate emotions and that they live their lives and view their worlds with the emotional mute buttons on.
“I figured it out…I know what you are”
When I realized that I had been touched by psychopathy, it took me quite some time to digest all that revelation brought with it. I knew I was not dealing with “normal,” but what was I dealing with?
Behaviors and solutions that would typically work under normal circumstances set us back when dealing with this population. Adjusting to the concept takes time. While I was still learning, I was still saying too much and also allowing the manipulations to bother me. I was in the process of trying to make sense of the nonsense and working to rectify issues that could never be solved. I tried, but trial and error prevailed and sometimes, I got it wrong. With my understanding too fresh to accurately process what was occurring, I allowed myself to become frustrated and exhausted from the underhanded tactics. On one occasion, when I could no longer take it, I emphatically blurted, “I figured it out…I know what you are.”
I am not sure what I expected might occur when I announced that “I knew,” but I was completely unprepared for what came next. The individual had been walking away from me, but then stopped dead in his tracks. He stood still with his back toward me for a moment. Then, turned and advanced toward me. His eyes met mine and I was on the receiving end of a deliberate, piercing stare. The eyes that could double as daggers were poised to intimidate. Glaring and angry, he replied, “I know you did. I know you know.”
What? The investigator in me wanted to continue the conversation very badly. I wanted to know what he knew about himself. I considered the possibility that he may not have heard me correctly. How did he know what I meant? But he did know. Chills quickly replaced my curiosity. I turned away and left. If he knew what he was, all the wrongs, all the evil were, without question, intentional. Pain, suffering, abuse, unhappiness, and shear destruction had been purposely inflicted with full awareness and for or with some degree pleasure.
Interestingly, I never said the word. Sociopath, psychopath, narcissist never crossed my lips. Shortly after this encounter, this individual ramped up the attacks and staunchly advertised his “normality,” while threatening and belittling me. Suddenly, I was “disturbed” and a “PhD,” in an attempt to discredit me and my assertions.
Previously, he merely blamed me for his actions, claiming that the behaviors were the consequences for my “insanity.” But this was different. I uncovered something he never thought I would. First hand, I witnessed the “I’ll get you before you get me” mentality – the smear campaign. Sticks and stones…for now I was armed with understanding.
Gray or color?
What must it be like not to feel genuine emotions or to feel them so completely differently than non-psychopaths? What must it be like to view the surroundings so differently than others? How must it be to know life in black and white, when we see color?
They may have great disdain for us as a result of the warmth in our souls, something they will never know or feel. They want revenge for our existence and throw temper tantrums mirroring those of toddlers if they do not succeed in their destructive and controlling efforts. But even when they do get their ways, they are often insatiable, looking for more. As a result, they can be dangerous to us.
When they claim to feel hurt, pain or other normal emotions we experience, their words may merely mask ulterior motives. They are able to behave ruthlessly without second thoughts, often hiding their agendas behind righteous causes. But the anger, jealousy, and rage that they direct toward us shows through as raw and primal. Knowing they know makes the behaviors easier to understand, but no more acceptable.
They are envious of our genuine connections and abilities to love, even if they laugh at us in their next breaths for being “weak” enough to feel. How would they be able to hold such contempt for us, if they had no awareness of our differences? It must be horrible living half alive. Wait…we already know. It was how we lived before we understood. The beauty is that we can recover.
Kim, ((((Kim))) Sugar, remember when you were living with this daughter and her abusive husband and you were trying to get her to leave his sorry arse? You were being used as the live in nanny and maid, and you felt you had no where else to go? And your daughter chose to stay with him…..but you got out, got your own place.
NOW, you have your own place, your own space and you are INDEPENDENT from them.
Frankly I don’t think Your daughter is in a healthy space. You love her, but she is also “just like you were” when you were trying to please the UNPLEASABLE ASSHOLES…your X’s. Now she has repeated your dysfunctional life style. She’s still with the abusive H who is not responsible.
You love your grandkids, and you don’t want them to be left alone, but YOUR DAUGHTER is responsible for them, NOT YOU. Or she SHOULD BE….SHE is the one who choses to stay with this asshole SIL. SHE is the one who chose to go off to the “funeral” of this father who left you and her in the lurch. SHE is the one who is acting in an unhealthy manner, then she and her Asshole husband are DUMPING on you and expecting you to clean up their mess, to take over their responsibilities.
Sure, they are using your grandkids as an excuse because they know you love the kids…but Kin, this is NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
Sure, it is hard to set boundaries, especially from those who have been enabled in the past, who have come to expect you to clean up their messes, to take on their responsibilities.
Kim, I am the same way….a knee-jerk people pleaser, feeling like I should do for them, and when I don’t then they get mad at ME.
I don’t like people getting mad at me….but at the same time, I am learning that BOUNDARIES make for better relationships.
YOU are not the one “putting stress on” your daughter…she chose to go, HE chose to go off and leave the kid while she was gone. THEY are responsible for this “mess” NOT YOU!
So go take a nice shower, or whatever rings your chimes, and put this in your heart….YOU ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW THEY FEEL OR THINK. (((hugs))))
Oxy, Hens, Star, Skylar and Bluejay, Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you. I was such a quivering mass of jello last night, with a hive of angry bees swarming……
I lost a long post to cyber-space, and don’t have the energy right now to re-write it.
Just know that I am so grateful to have your wisdom, and concern.
I am trying very hard to release all this emotional chaos, going on inside me.
Wow again!
The psychopaths (my definition is a sociopath that has crossed the legal line of physically harming human or animal life) I have had the hellish displeasure of being in their ####en life. The psycho don’t recognize truly as anyone else being a possible treasure instead; while the belief the world revolves around them (invisible crown with planet Earth on their ####ed up evil head) concern only with self satisfaction only. We human life and the innocent animal life are only food to a psychopath. Every single one of these narcissistic ###wipes eventually brag about their conquests of how they get away with to people that applaud only because they have been hypnotized in believing the sick unethical comments from a psychopath is just in jest because how they speak without true emotions.
Charm for me as I heal and working on being deprogrammed from the damage, I view as a danger sign from anyone who uses it. In other word if anyone seems to good to be true and we have the desire to meet this so called outstanding human being (sarcasm in big way) realize the yin yang concept of with as much outstanding they may seem there is always a dark-side that we life be lucky to survive through.
No human being is perfectly charming and good all the time.
Only Jesus Christ is to be trusted and he didn’t try to be charming only; spoke the truth.
Didn’t mean to leave you out, Truthy, I just saw your post. Thank you so much.
Yes I am definatly triggered. I just can’t stand entitled, narcissistic, bullying, powerplays by abusive men, anymore, and I become a mass of energy, go into fight or flight, feel attacked, vulnerable, and super-charged all at the same time….so damn angry I shake aand my stomache feels like it’s full of some cold slimey liquid.
“ungrateful bitch”. Couldn’t have found a more triggering abusive statement, because X said the same thing, many times. Guess I should begrateful that he held me hostage, beat me up, strangled me to black-out, cheated on me, and made sure I knew it, put-me down and ignored me.
Anyway, I need to get to gray rock level, and find the nirvanna of indifference.
Thanks, again. Another goal:developing a healthy selfishness. 🙂
I guess we must remember whatever faith we have chosen for our self the question is the personality of who we worship.
Mine is the Christian God. His personality is ever loving (we do not control him and are given free will) however; never uses flattery only; speaking the truth on how we should live to prevent ourselves from self inflicting danger. I may not like what I hear or what I need to change within myself however; the results are always beneficial to mine and everyone else life who comes into contact with me.
My God never uses charm yet instead; forewarns everyone to stay away from those who posses it.
Interesting this traits has been viewed as evil since the beginning of time. It has been written in the Christian Bible (I believe as well the Jewish documents since the old testament is from their religious writings about God) charm is one of the traits of Satan the devil.
Kim, Good on you, girlfriend!
Also being a “people pleaser” and thinking at a GUT level that I am responsible for everyone else’s problems or for fixing them has been my down fall my entire life.
I too tend to revert to that gut level feeling, but it is NOT TRUE. WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR OTHER PEOPLE’S PROBLEMS.
Your daughter is not living a healthy life style and I can quote many instances of this.
1. she is still living with an abusive man
2. she is running off looking for emotional validation that her daddy loved her (when this is obviously not true!)
3. she is expecting that YOU will take up the responsibillity for her kid(s) while their father refuses to do so and she is choosing to be gone doing #2.
Ohhhh, I just made a pun! “doing #2” and boy if she is NOT “doing number two” I don’t know what she is doing.
YOU know and I know that she is not going to be able to get emotional validation from going to her dead father’s memorial etc. It just ain’t gonna happen.
So, what can you do?
GIVE UP taking control of the situation that SHE and SIL created. It is NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. ….even if they get mad at you, TOUGH SHIATSKY!
You are in your little house working your job, paying your own bills and you do not need their shiat! YOU are being responsible, they are being IRRESPONSIBLE. NOT YOUR PROBLEM.
Kim, from time to time, I need a boink on the head myself and I think those of us who have been raised in these dysfunctional situations where we were told we had to take care of other peope’s messes, protect the bad actors, etc. “don’t tell that daddy is a drunk or he will lose his job and YOU will be at fault” etc. Well, I ain’t protecting anyone any more, and it is hard sometimes, but I am sticking to my resolve!
Yea, I’m an UNGRATEFUL BIATCH and PROUD OF IT. I am not grateful for the hateful things they did to me, said about me, or the abuse they heaped on my head. Not grateful at all.
Raised by a Sociopath,
I agree with you…and my own spiritual walk has lead me to find a LOVING, TRUTHFUL, KIND, COMPASSIONATE GOD who loves me, not the hateful, vengeful uncompassionate god of my egg donor.
I truly believe that each of us is a SPIRITUAL being (whatever our religious beliefs are) and that the SPIRITUAL part of our healing i s as important as any other aspect of it. If we neglect that spiritual healing, we can’t complete the process because it is part and parcel of being HUMAN. The psychopaths do not have I think that component, and empathy is part of that component of spirituality in the human. Without empathy we don’t have what makes us able to have abstract spirituality as adults.
Oxy, I found your post very interesting, where you wondered whether the nothingness you felt for the drama queen you tried to help out by letting her park on your land is the same as a spath feels for us.
I think you hit on something very interesting, and I think you’re right. Just how you felt nothing when she blamed and pleaded with you, they must feel nothing when we plead with them on how much they hurt us. At first I thought – yeah, but we only click off the empathy when we see it’s done to manipulate us, to protect ourselves. And then I had this thought: “But perhaps they consider our true emotional pleas and our upsetness of their hurt as manipulation acts too?” To them it seems we are trying to manipulate them into feeling sorry for us and have consideration for us against their own wants.
The difference then is their entitlement and the delight in hurting others that causes damage and lacking responsibility. Plus we can still feel empathy for situations that aren’t manipulated, whereas to a spath then everyhting would be manipulation, just like they manipulate everything and everyone.
Hello kim frederick
“Yes I am definatly triggered. I just can’t stand entitled, narcissistic, bullying, powerplays by abusive men, anymore”
I was fired from a public job due to a FEMALE director with these exact traits. Oh she definitely triggered me into the old (childhood)habits of survival. Found out this woman causes havoc wherever she is employed at. Really sick female and very toxic to everyone unfortunate staff member she comes into contact with. She finally leaving at the end of this year because upper management has finally recognized her as a dangerous (career and psychological) liability.
Never to be trusted by anyone (staff member, associates and her superior), she would lie, deceive, manipulate, throw people under the bus, back stab, and I could go on.
She was not able to break me and I performed my duties with more detail then ever before to prevent her from sabotaging my employment reputation. Oh how she tried and I had written proof every time. This woman tried hard with mind games however; I had started the healing process of learning what a sociopath is prior to her attempts. In time as she dug and tried to make me react. I eventually did after many years of it. Between her and my soon to be ex husband (abusive) at the time. I reacted. Now unemployed.
Ox Drover
Spiritual healing is a much needing healing component for psychological, emotional, and physical healing from evil.