What a difficult question this is—exactly what defines the sociopath?
Joseph Neuman Ph.D, psychopathy researcher, in an extensive interview (see link to this interview previously provided by Donna Anderson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmZgnCHweLM) addresses this and other questions about psychopaths.
Neuman’s research, if I understand him correctly (and I did not find him to be particularly clear in his explanations) yields a picture of the psychopath, surprisingly, not as primarily emotionally defective, but rather as emotionally defective secondary to certain forms of attentional problems.
Neuman makes some interesting and, to my mind, somewhat puzzling observations. For instance, and consistent with his basic premise, he actually suggests that psychopaths may be more inclined to genuinely assist someone they perceive to be in need than non-psychopaths. Did I hear that correctly? I think so.
Neuman also suggests that the psychopath’s capacity for this kind of humane response is unfortunately, or effectively, nullified (in others’ eyes) by his more antisocial, knucklehead behaviors. Did I hear this correctly, too? I think I did.
Neuman’s basic premise—again, if I understand him correctly—is that psychopaths aren’t so much fundamentally defective emotionally as much as their emotional capacities which, alas, may be much more normal than otherwise appreciated, are essentially obscured, effectively immobilized, by their over-attention, their over-focus on their particular, momentary interest(s).
So, to be clear, if I’m understanding Neuman, he’s suggesting that psychopaths (at least some, if not many) may indeed have normal emotions, perhaps even a normal range of emotions; the problem is that they don’t “attend” to their emotions because they aren’t “cueing” to the signals that should steer them to recognize, and be better regulated, by their emotions.
Neuman suggests that when psychopaths can be directed to focus on these cues and signals, his research shows that they can and do access a range of more normal emotions. This should and, Neuman says, does result in their coming under the better, and more appropriate, stewardship of their emotions (my italics, not his).
Now on one hand, Neuman says he’s not denying that an emotional deficit lies at the core of psychopathy. Yet it seems to me that this is exactly what he’s questioning! What he is saying in the interview, it seems to me, again and again, is that, at the heart of psychopathy is less an emotional deficit than a kind of attentional deficit, a signal-attuning deficit, the consequence of which is to detach the psychopath from connection to his underlying capacity to feel, and be better regulated in his behavior, by his emotions.
Now perhaps I’ve badly misinterpreted what I heard Neuman saying. I will leave that to other LoveFraud readers to weigh in.
Also, consistent with what I hear him saying throughout the interview, Neuman takes the rather radical stance that once a psychopath, not necessarily always, hopelessly, permanently a psychopath.
He suggests, rather, that if interventions can be developed that, for instance, can help psychopaths more effectively attune to the signals that will steer their attention to their healthier emotions, well then”¦NASA, we may have arrived at something of a cure, or palliative, for psychopathy.
He envisions interventions, if I understand him properly, that would effectively liberate the humanity within the psychopath, which is obscured, if not immobilized, by his attentional problems.
Because again, he is not saying that psychopaths necessarily lack emotions, or even a range of normal emotions; remember, he goes so far as to say that some psychopaths, including those with whom he’s worked, have shown evidence of an even greater (and genuine!) responsiveness to those in need than non-psychopaths. The problem, he stresses, is that psychopaths, by virtue of their overfocus on present, reward-driven interests, are basically disconnected from their emotions. At least this is what I understand him to be saying.
Neuman makes another interesting observation. Citing Hervey Cleckley, MD, he suggests that the psychopath may have an even weaker drive to acquire what he wants than the normal individual. The problem, he says, is that their “restraints” are even weaker than their “urges.” He describes this as a case of their “weaker urges breaking through even weaker restraints.”
Neuman also asserts that you can’t define psychopathy by behaviors and actions, including, he says, actions like “defrauding” people. I understand his general point—the idea that psychopathy’s essence may be more a reflection of a mentality than specific actions.
However, a pattern of certain actions, especially exploitive actions, can reflect, can reveal, the mind—and the disorder—behind it.
As I understand Neuman, let us say we have someone who is in the process of perpetrating a cold-blooded armed robbery—and not, say, the first he’s perpetrated. He’s prepared to bind, blindfold and shoot all potential witnesses to the crime. This way he can take what he came for and not get fingered, identified, in the act. Let us say he has done this before, remorselessly.
Neuman seems to suggest that, horrible as this act would be, it’s not necessarily indicative of a psychopath. Maybe he’s right.
But let’s say this individual is a Hare-diagnosed psychopath. Neuman also seems to be proposing the idea that the killer’s primary issue isn’t necessarily the absence, somewhere, of appropriate and potentially self-regulating emotion; rather, he’s so overfocused on taking care of the business at hand—robbing, and removing witnesses to the robbery—that he’s unable to attune to the kinds of signals that would lead him to recognize, and fall under the prosocial influence, of his more normal, humane emotions.
So that, if somehow, in the course of the perpetrating of his crime, you could somehow cue him to the signals that might lead him to recognize his more “humane” emotions, you might, theoretically, be able to short-circuit the robbery and coldblooded murdering of the witnesses!
Really? That’s an interesting concept, but it’s not one that strikes me as necessarily plausible. In general, as I listened to Neuman, I found that he depicted the psychopath specifically, and psychopathy in general, in terms that seemed to me much too benign; as if the psychopath, in Neuman’s view and based on his research, isn’t necessarily lacking in humanity as much as he’s lacking certain qualities that would enable his humanity to express itself in more visible, self-regulating, prosocial ways?
What was your take on the interview?
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is strictly for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
Blindsided _ You explain yourself expertly when describing my X..I got chill’s down my spine from your above post, it’s like you brought back the terror and dispair I felt at the time, just briefly enuff to remind me what I survived but have put space and time between then and now and realize how free I am now. thanks..
Oxy….
GOOD NEWS GIRL!!!!
I don’t want to be a buzz kill for ya…..but just hold off on the invitations until the fat lady sings in January!
I love…..”Older and sneakier, and meaner!!!!!~! ”
Sometimes ya just gotta knotch it up!
So…..while it’s quiet…..i’ll tell ya all that my Sat lunch-turn into dinner date, called last night for another get together…..
Wow….Eb broke her ‘one date wonder’…rep.
I dont think any of my comments are posting, but I can talk to myself anywho..Onesteppers, you have me befuzzled, you like women and gay boy’s, does this make you a homobisexual? I don’t like labels, too each his own but I am scrathin my head with this..you are weird but I have grown to love you….:)
erinbrock Third times a charm..got my finger’s crossed for you..keep us posted – if this ever post…
hi EB …hmmmm. sound like you are having…um…fun? 😉
is this the guy you met on the beach when you were jetskiing with the kids?
Nope…..no beach boy.
But….um….fun! 😉
I did have a really fun time on Saturday, so it was a pleasure to hear from him again.
We’ll see…..he was really mellow and kind.
And you….how’s the job?
well, if oxy and eb can post it ain’t gonna be quiet for long.
😉
i have a whole lot of stuff to say…it backs up and every few days i have to let it out.
the ptsd doc said that after a few sessions the flashbacks would be triggered. actually she said after 10 sessions. seems i am an over achiever. ’cause its only been 5 and they have intensified. what i am getting this time though is both calmer and harrier – as in i am thinking as they are happening. watching and thinking, seeing what i can understand from them. that’s the good part. the not so good part is that i am triggered on some very deep level and have stuck my snoot in the fridge again. with a vengeance. i have asked her for a talk session. i need to process some stuff on that level.
i went to the beach on sunday 🙂 🙂 with a client. we have been getting to know one another for the last couple of months. we have had some really nice time togehter. i am pretty sure her x is an n, and have given her info. about it. i haven’t shared that i was spathed. i talk about my n dad a bit and also talk around being lesbian. sigh. in time. in time.
it’s interesting to see me take distance from relating the spath experience, but yet speak to it. we do live in a different world we spathed ones who fear the smear campaign, the physical threat, the death threats. there is such a different perspective. the thing that really stands out was her talking about warning someone…she asked me what i would do, and my first question was, ‘ do you feel you would be threatened physically?’ i started there. my old moral imperative to tell/ warn others is gone. i feel sad and i feel down about this. changed i am. i know that his sister warned her – i asked her: ‘did you listen?’ (I know she didn’t. she took it under advisement, but she didn’t walk away). I also asked her why she didn’t listen. i didn’t expect an answer.
she’s pretty stealth already. she made me crack up with laughter a couple of times – she’s a planner for sure.
i think i am going to buy the betrayal bond for her and for my lovely neighbour who is moving (sniff). her ex is something. dunno what. but i think it might help her. her new beau works in the prisons. a really nice guy. works with ‘behavioural problems’ with the bad guys. talking to him about the spath a couple of months ago changed something for me, in a positive way. we never know how odd we are until we open our mouths in public. here is one thing and very important – but out there with peeps who understand it’s a whole new ballgame.
i haven’t read a lot of the posts in the last few days. it would take too much energy, but i have the gist of it. i have been reflecting on the few times i have seen a similar arch of action/reaction here. sometimes people move away, or move away for a while, but I have also seen some amazing healing come out of some of these things. and it’s that that i have been relfecting on. now those who have weighed in heavily might not have this perspective…but i do, and that’s what i hope for. it also shows me how strong a place this place can be.
you are all just amazing. i wish for peace, for all of us.
One of the things today that was really affirming today was how the attorney FINALLY VALIDATED ME! He DOES know what a psychopath is and he was “impressed” with the letters I had sent for him to read between the Pson and the Trojan Horse P. I know he thought I was a nut-job when we talked on the phone (we even talked about that) but he SEES now and validates me being in danger.
I was getting kind of frustrated with him before this, but part of the problem was me, I thought we HAD to have it in by the end of this month so he had waited til the last minute, but I had misunderstood and we have til November to get it all in place.
I think his connections are going to help too….and he seems really like a nice guy, not cocky and arrogant like a lot of land sharks.
I Know I don’t need to buy the party favors yet, but at the same time, I am kind of stoked about the way things are going and the validation I got from the attorney today!
Even if we can and do validate ourselves, it sure feels NICE when someone else does too.
Things are kind of really REALLY slow tonight–and I’m tired so will sign off for now and hit the hay! Nite all!
mellow and kind. NICE!
the job. well, the job is a big challenge. but i think i may have turned a corner this past weekend. i did my first event and had all kinds of esteem problems. by today i am doing better with it. and put a bit of extra time in to ‘get’ something. usually at a new job i go full bore…well, right now full bore is half bore and i haven’t wanted to do more. ‘doing more’ is how i have handled anxiety in the past. right now i couldn’t possibly move fast enough, do enough to handle all the anxiety i have about the job and my reduced capacity. the job is in a sector that i am not that familiar with, and i am not doing extra research to ‘get it’…i have really need my down time to rest my mind. a lot of what i am learning is complex – technical, political, cultural, etc…and it’s overwhelming for me to know so little. but they knew that when they hired me. they wanted my skill sets, not my knowledge base about their industry. I have garnered them a WHOLE lot of press and i am interviewing well – not as i did before, different, maybe not as good, but well.
the org itself is disorganized and there is confusion on the part or the board and the director about my actual responsibilities. my job is to make money. i just did an event that wouldn’t. i told the director that. he said, do it anyway. then the board said, noooo. the director dropped me in it again today – with an international president of a major company in the sector wanting to come and do a meet and greet on short notice…the pres.’s guy called and i had to be a bit vague…then i called the director and asked if someone else should perhaps be handling ithis as it WILL NOT MAKE MONEY, and it will take me away from planning the money making things. he’s going to sleep on it. my thing is that every event i do has to go through a review process…so my next step is to take it to the sub committee i work with. the board/ director HAVE to get on the same page. i will take care of myself – my contract has VERY specific parameters, and i will focus them all on it.
so, that’s how work is. 😉 the building is stuffy as hell, and i have started planning potlucks for the staff 😉 next week they get my double chocolate mocha pecan cookies that i haven’t been able to afford to bake in forevah!