What a difficult question this is—exactly what defines the sociopath?
 Joseph Neuman Ph.D, psychopathy researcher, in an extensive interview (see link to this interview previously provided by Donna Anderson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmZgnCHweLM) addresses this and other questions about psychopaths.
Neuman’s research, if I understand him correctly (and I did not find him to be particularly clear in his explanations) yields a picture of the psychopath, surprisingly, not as primarily emotionally defective, but rather as emotionally defective secondary to certain forms of attentional problems.
Neuman makes some interesting and, to my mind, somewhat puzzling observations. For instance, and consistent with his basic premise, he actually suggests that psychopaths may be more inclined to genuinely assist someone they perceive to be in need than non-psychopaths. Did I hear that correctly? I think so.
Neuman also suggests that the psychopath’s capacity for this kind of humane response is unfortunately, or effectively, nullified (in others’ eyes) by his more antisocial, knucklehead behaviors. Did I hear this correctly, too? I think I did.
Neuman’s basic premise—again, if I understand him correctly—is that psychopaths aren’t so much fundamentally defective emotionally as much as their emotional capacities which, alas, may be much more normal than otherwise appreciated, are essentially obscured, effectively immobilized, by their over-attention, their over-focus on their particular, momentary interest(s).
So, to be clear, if I’m understanding Neuman, he’s suggesting that psychopaths (at least some, if not many) may indeed have normal emotions, perhaps even a normal range of emotions; the problem is that they don’t “attend” to their emotions because they aren’t “cueing” to the signals that should steer them to recognize, and be better regulated, by their emotions.
Neuman suggests that when psychopaths can be directed to focus on these cues and signals, his research shows that they can and do access a range of more normal emotions. This should and, Neuman says, does result in their coming under the better, and more appropriate, stewardship of their emotions (my italics, not his).
Now on one hand, Neuman says he’s not denying that an emotional deficit lies at the core of psychopathy. Yet it seems to me that this is exactly what he’s questioning! What he is saying in the interview, it seems to me, again and again, is that, at the heart of psychopathy is less an emotional deficit than a kind of attentional deficit, a signal-attuning deficit, the consequence of which is to detach the psychopath from connection to his underlying capacity to feel, and be better regulated in his behavior, by his emotions.
Now perhaps I’ve badly misinterpreted what I heard Neuman saying. I will leave that to other LoveFraud readers to weigh in.
Also, consistent with what I hear him saying throughout the interview, Neuman takes the rather radical stance that once a psychopath, not necessarily always, hopelessly, permanently a psychopath.
He suggests, rather, that if interventions can be developed that, for instance, can help psychopaths more effectively attune to the signals that will steer their attention to their healthier emotions, well then”¦NASA, we may have arrived at something of a cure, or palliative, for psychopathy.
He envisions interventions, if I understand him properly, that would effectively liberate the humanity within the psychopath, which is obscured, if not immobilized, by his attentional problems.
Because again, he is not saying that psychopaths necessarily lack emotions, or even a range of normal emotions; remember, he goes so far as to say that some psychopaths, including those with whom he’s worked, have shown evidence of an even greater (and genuine!) responsiveness to those in need than non-psychopaths. The problem, he stresses, is that psychopaths, by virtue of their overfocus on present, reward-driven interests, are basically disconnected from their emotions. At least this is what I understand him to be saying.
Neuman makes another interesting observation. Citing Hervey Cleckley, MD, he suggests that the psychopath may have an even weaker drive to acquire what he wants than the normal individual. The problem, he says, is that their “restraints” are even weaker than their “urges.” He describes this as a case of their “weaker urges breaking through even weaker restraints.”
Neuman also asserts that you can’t define psychopathy by behaviors and actions, including, he says, actions like “defrauding” people. I understand his general point—the idea that psychopathy’s essence may be more a reflection of a mentality than specific actions.
However, a pattern of certain actions, especially exploitive actions, can reflect, can reveal, the mind—and the disorder—behind it.
As I understand Neuman, let us say we have someone who is in the process of perpetrating a cold-blooded armed robbery—and not, say, the first he’s perpetrated. He’s prepared to bind, blindfold and shoot all potential witnesses to the crime. This way he can take what he came for and not get fingered, identified, in the act. Let us say he has done this before, remorselessly.
Neuman seems to suggest that, horrible as this act would be, it’s not necessarily indicative of a psychopath. Maybe he’s right.
But let’s say this individual is a Hare-diagnosed psychopath. Neuman also seems to be proposing the idea that the killer’s primary issue isn’t necessarily the absence, somewhere, of appropriate and potentially self-regulating emotion; rather, he’s so overfocused on taking care of the business at hand—robbing, and removing witnesses to the robbery—that he’s unable to attune to the kinds of signals that would lead him to recognize, and fall under the prosocial influence, of his more normal, humane emotions.
So that, if somehow, in the course of the perpetrating of his crime, you could somehow cue him to the signals that might lead him to recognize his more “humane” emotions, you might, theoretically, be able to short-circuit the robbery and coldblooded murdering of the witnesses!
Really? That’s an interesting concept, but it’s not one that strikes me as necessarily plausible. In general, as I listened to Neuman, I found that he depicted the psychopath specifically, and psychopathy in general, in terms that seemed to me much too benign; as if the psychopath, in Neuman’s view and based on his research, isn’t necessarily lacking in humanity as much as he’s lacking certain qualities that would enable his humanity to express itself in more visible, self-regulating, prosocial ways?
What was your take on the interview?
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is strictly for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
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Sistersister, I’m with you. It is confusing, and I agree that their lack of consistancy in their P behaviors does make it harder to deal with. If someone IS AN ASS 100% of the time we probably would have gotten out a lot faster…what do you do with the rule following behavior and the supposed sincerity we see once in a blue moon?
My X is/was as addict who displayed most if not all the points on the check list, but there were times I knew he didn’t, so was he or wasn’t he?
But, they are excellant actors, so maybe they just act like they have a conscience.
There are a wealth of disorders, too, that might impair someone emotionally, but not make them absolute P’s…the certifiable ones.
In my opinion a real P has no conscience, just mimics one. To carry on a little farthar with Oxys analogy, they are color blind,but will try to convinse you they aren’t by learning that the red stop light is on the top, and the green go light is on the bottom…they don’t really see the color but have taught themselves the “tricks” so they
can dupe people into thinking they can.
I have seen one falter momentarily, put her face down into her arms, and try to figure out what look she should have on her face, when she brought it back up. Creepy.
The point is though, that trying to figure it out, or them out is futile…I am all for the phylosophy that it doesn’t matter, as long as I accept that they are toxic, and any attempt I make to understand them, will probably be used against me.
As it happens, I have just refused to participate in an Internet conversation with someone who is doing precisely what Newman describes: Holding onto an imperssion and not letting go. And then, using that impression against another person in a blatant power play.
He says I insulted him with a joking remark — according to HIS rules, it overstepped a boundary. This is really hilarious, because he says I said he could be played in the movies by a corpse! I said he could be played in a movies by an actor who unfortunately is already dead. And furthermore, he doesn’t like that this actor was an atheist. (??!)
I can’t even remember who I suggested! And I made no reference to the actor’s atheism or even knew about it.
I’ve been complimenting him all week on some work he’s doing. My first mistake — he was on the praise trajectory, and I interrupted it with a remark that was only just one inch short of complete and utter adoration.
Oh, I agree — insult is in the eye of the beholder. What people heard is more important than what you think you said.
But not in this case.
He took a blatantly errant impression of what I said — comically so — and stuck with it. Now I owe him an apology. I don’t think so. He owes me one, for being a prick.
I’m just not responding. To FOUR harassing e-mails.
This is what I mean by “early warning.”
And not just an ordinary a-hole. A really deluded one, really un-self-aware of what he just did. So much so, that arguing with him would just dig me deeper into the mire, as it has before.
I’m going to wait and see if he forgets this perceived slight, eventually. Just an experiment . . .
Or, if he persists for a couple of weeks, or brings this up months later, what do you think? I should probably just suggest more dead actors to play him.
And I’m not indulging any more Ps like this.
Instead, I’m considering annoying the hell out of them, when I figure out where the panic button on these robots are. They’re so utterly predictable, when you get the hang of it.
Dear Sister,
While I definitely understand your desire to “annoy the hell out of them”—oh, gosh, do I ever understand that desire! LOL At the same time I think in the end we are much better off just going NC with these creatures, walking away and pretending they don’t exist. Giving them the POTTED PLANT treatment if you will. Totally ignoring them. Totally NO communication. It I think is not worth the trouble and problems that just ahving any communication with them will give US. I think it is a bit like poking a caged animal with a stick just to see them roar. Even if they can’t get out of the cage and strike back, we probably have better things to do with our times, things that would benefit us more. LOL But I definitely understand the DESIRE to annoy them (or worse!)
ps BTW I am “preaching” at myself here as well as anyone else reading this because the temptation to annoy them or seek revenge or retrobution seems to creep back in if I do not continually monitor these desires.
No, Oxy, using this information — actually “objective research,” as in, those pigs with “cat” written on them — could lead to “dealing with” these people. Not reforming, just dealing.
Newman found that they can see clearly. They can see that the color green is green, not blue. They just keep seeing green long after the field has shifted to blue, and if their agenda shows up in the field, they’ll drop everything to follow that.
You’re right that you can’t be sure of any of these emotions — whether they’re real or fake. Nothing in Newman’s research suggests otherwise.
I got your take home lesson a long time ago, Oxy. It’s not possible to reform such a person. Nobody’s talking about going back and fixing it.
It isn’t retribution I’m seeking. It’s understanding. Using this guy like a little object in my experiment. And control.
We can’t go NC with everyone in our lives. We work for P bosses and have projects that depend on someone’s cooperation for now. I need him not to sabotage my project. I need to be in control here, because there’s something at stake.
I personally feel like this in response to the interview:
Yeah, so?
I don’t give a hoot about WHY they don’t empathize, (unless they can fix them now) because it’s still a matter of absolute selfishness. They are still always a product of their own drives toward their own desires, needs an d fulfillment. All I need to know.
I can see that you are preaching at yourself, Oxy. That’s OK. We see in others’ problems what we most need to learn.
But maybe there’s another lesson here, too.
Not to go back to that person and give in to all those temptations, but to gain clarity on why things may have happened in the particular way they did.
You can still win. You can learn to recognize signs earlier. As soon as you see someone getting stuck in an emotional pattern, no matter how innocent, you can see that it might not lead somewhere good.
After all, it’s just as difficult to detect a lack of conscience as whether an emotion is “real” or not. Newman has presented us with a surrogate marker to look for, instead of that.
If I learned that all Ps wore red boots, I would learn to avoid people who wear red boots. It wouldn’t seem related, to me, but if a researcher finds it’s related, I’ll at least keep an eye out for it.
I knew for a couple of years that this guy who’s harassing me by e-mail now had a sudden, unpredictable problem, turning on people. It didn’t make me any less likely to work with him, because he’s done some competent research that I depend on. What’s new is that his problem is now more predictable to me. I’m the one in control here.
As you said, there some people who are just toxic, not serial killers. We don’t always have the option of running away from such people. But my project partner is most certainly a P, if identified by this holding-on emotional pattern.
It’s still just as true, Kim. Nothing in Newman’s research negated that.
And yes, whatever you try to argue with them, will be used against you. Absolutely. The worst possible place to go with such a person is rational argument.
Absolutely.
I am in agreement that it’s interesting, and I will be watching for furthar findings, and perhaps having hope for a “cure, but I’m satisfied, on a personal level, to just know that there’s no hope for me in a relationship with them, at this time. Zip, Zero, Nada.