What a difficult question this is—exactly what defines the sociopath?
 Joseph Neuman Ph.D, psychopathy researcher, in an extensive interview (see link to this interview previously provided by Donna Anderson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmZgnCHweLM) addresses this and other questions about psychopaths.
Neuman’s research, if I understand him correctly (and I did not find him to be particularly clear in his explanations) yields a picture of the psychopath, surprisingly, not as primarily emotionally defective, but rather as emotionally defective secondary to certain forms of attentional problems.
Neuman makes some interesting and, to my mind, somewhat puzzling observations. For instance, and consistent with his basic premise, he actually suggests that psychopaths may be more inclined to genuinely assist someone they perceive to be in need than non-psychopaths. Did I hear that correctly? I think so.
Neuman also suggests that the psychopath’s capacity for this kind of humane response is unfortunately, or effectively, nullified (in others’ eyes) by his more antisocial, knucklehead behaviors. Did I hear this correctly, too? I think I did.
Neuman’s basic premise—again, if I understand him correctly—is that psychopaths aren’t so much fundamentally defective emotionally as much as their emotional capacities which, alas, may be much more normal than otherwise appreciated, are essentially obscured, effectively immobilized, by their over-attention, their over-focus on their particular, momentary interest(s).
So, to be clear, if I’m understanding Neuman, he’s suggesting that psychopaths (at least some, if not many) may indeed have normal emotions, perhaps even a normal range of emotions; the problem is that they don’t “attend” to their emotions because they aren’t “cueing” to the signals that should steer them to recognize, and be better regulated, by their emotions.
Neuman suggests that when psychopaths can be directed to focus on these cues and signals, his research shows that they can and do access a range of more normal emotions. This should and, Neuman says, does result in their coming under the better, and more appropriate, stewardship of their emotions (my italics, not his).
Now on one hand, Neuman says he’s not denying that an emotional deficit lies at the core of psychopathy. Yet it seems to me that this is exactly what he’s questioning! What he is saying in the interview, it seems to me, again and again, is that, at the heart of psychopathy is less an emotional deficit than a kind of attentional deficit, a signal-attuning deficit, the consequence of which is to detach the psychopath from connection to his underlying capacity to feel, and be better regulated in his behavior, by his emotions.
Now perhaps I’ve badly misinterpreted what I heard Neuman saying. I will leave that to other LoveFraud readers to weigh in.
Also, consistent with what I hear him saying throughout the interview, Neuman takes the rather radical stance that once a psychopath, not necessarily always, hopelessly, permanently a psychopath.
He suggests, rather, that if interventions can be developed that, for instance, can help psychopaths more effectively attune to the signals that will steer their attention to their healthier emotions, well then”¦NASA, we may have arrived at something of a cure, or palliative, for psychopathy.
He envisions interventions, if I understand him properly, that would effectively liberate the humanity within the psychopath, which is obscured, if not immobilized, by his attentional problems.
Because again, he is not saying that psychopaths necessarily lack emotions, or even a range of normal emotions; remember, he goes so far as to say that some psychopaths, including those with whom he’s worked, have shown evidence of an even greater (and genuine!) responsiveness to those in need than non-psychopaths. The problem, he stresses, is that psychopaths, by virtue of their overfocus on present, reward-driven interests, are basically disconnected from their emotions. At least this is what I understand him to be saying.
Neuman makes another interesting observation. Citing Hervey Cleckley, MD, he suggests that the psychopath may have an even weaker drive to acquire what he wants than the normal individual. The problem, he says, is that their “restraints” are even weaker than their “urges.” He describes this as a case of their “weaker urges breaking through even weaker restraints.”
Neuman also asserts that you can’t define psychopathy by behaviors and actions, including, he says, actions like “defrauding” people. I understand his general point—the idea that psychopathy’s essence may be more a reflection of a mentality than specific actions.
However, a pattern of certain actions, especially exploitive actions, can reflect, can reveal, the mind—and the disorder—behind it.
As I understand Neuman, let us say we have someone who is in the process of perpetrating a cold-blooded armed robbery—and not, say, the first he’s perpetrated. He’s prepared to bind, blindfold and shoot all potential witnesses to the crime. This way he can take what he came for and not get fingered, identified, in the act. Let us say he has done this before, remorselessly.
Neuman seems to suggest that, horrible as this act would be, it’s not necessarily indicative of a psychopath. Maybe he’s right.
But let’s say this individual is a Hare-diagnosed psychopath. Neuman also seems to be proposing the idea that the killer’s primary issue isn’t necessarily the absence, somewhere, of appropriate and potentially self-regulating emotion; rather, he’s so overfocused on taking care of the business at hand—robbing, and removing witnesses to the robbery—that he’s unable to attune to the kinds of signals that would lead him to recognize, and fall under the prosocial influence, of his more normal, humane emotions.
So that, if somehow, in the course of the perpetrating of his crime, you could somehow cue him to the signals that might lead him to recognize his more “humane” emotions, you might, theoretically, be able to short-circuit the robbery and coldblooded murdering of the witnesses!
Really? That’s an interesting concept, but it’s not one that strikes me as necessarily plausible. In general, as I listened to Neuman, I found that he depicted the psychopath specifically, and psychopathy in general, in terms that seemed to me much too benign; as if the psychopath, in Neuman’s view and based on his research, isn’t necessarily lacking in humanity as much as he’s lacking certain qualities that would enable his humanity to express itself in more visible, self-regulating, prosocial ways?
What was your take on the interview?
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is strictly for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
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Newlife and Neveragain:
First, I’d like to make a general statement and say that I’ll respond to Newman’s interview when I have more time, but in the interim I’d like to respond to a couple of things Newlife and Neveragain have said.
Newlife:
“My conscience keeps me doing the right thing when I don’t want, or care to.”
Newlife, I completely agree. When I put my Spath up on a few sites to warn other women (such as WomanSavers), I wrote about his manipulative, exploitive behavior, pathological lying, and womanizing. And I even felt guilty about it, and wondered a few times if I should take the info down, even thought everything I said was true, and had also been confirmed by other women and even when I had overwhelming proof that he manipulates EVERYONE–platonic and romantic friendships, family, etc. Despite what this man did that affected me, which included telling his friends, unbeknownst to me, that I was a stalker, which was a flat-out egregious lie, I still did not have the capacity to embarrass or shame him by writing things on these sites that would serve no other purpose except TO embarrass or shame him. For instance, I could have written that he’s often impotent without the use of viagra. Why didn’t I write it? I just couldn’t–and wouldn’t. WHY?? Because I have a flippin’ conscience, that’s why.
Neveragain:
“…there is hardly a one of us who has tried to do that steering until we are blue in the face.”
I think that this has been most everyone’s experience, so yeah, I get it. In fact, my Spath deliberately toyed with me by playing Mr. Insightful, all the while doing exactly what he always does–lie and manipulate. I swear, he enjoyed it. One time in particular that was creepy, I was upset and displaying a lot of emotion and I suggested that our relationship doesn’t mean a thing to him except for the sex he got, I swear I could actually tell he was mimicing my emotion and insisted that it meant something, in an emotional tone, just as I was doing. But, I remember, that just as he did it, my gut reaction was that: He’s acting. And he WAS! And I know for a fact that he is a MASTER level actor and poser. He KNOWS what he needs to say and HOW to say it in order to appear like he is really feeling whatever it is he thinks he needs to. He intends to deceive with what he gleans from us empaths. I truly believe that. An example, after I gave him a book about how couples could help one another to feel safe within a relationship ( he insisted he wanted me to trust him after he cheated), he read it in one evening and could spit out all the concepts in the book. He even remembered stuff from it that I hadn’t. But, ominously, he said, “you’re going to be sorry that you gave me this.” I asked him, scared to death, if he was going to manipulated me with it. He said, “no, silly. I’m going to tease you.” But my gut told me something different and a day later my intuition proved right. No surprise there, Einstein. One evening, he told me that he really wanted me to feel safe with him, and that we should take a few days to really consider what it is we needed from one another to do that. Hours later, at 2am he would show up at my house, drunk, and after he fell asleep I would find, through his cell phone, that he was doing exactly what he ALWAYS had. In fact, it was HIS idea to call me every evening we weren’t together so that I would feel okay that he wasn’t out galavanting. I could see that before or after he was calling me, he was calling and texting other women things such as “sweet dreams.”
So, forgive me if Neuman’s theory is just sounding too simplistic, somehow. I’m sure it’s not, but I’m going to have really listen to the interview again and really give some thought to what Neuman posits–that psychopaths need to be redirected TO their emotions, and THEN they are motivated NOT to do their Spathy crap. I don’t know if I buy this.
Everything was going just fine until my dad called my mom to say that I was beibg disrespectful. He needed his loan to help pay for school and I asked for his SSN. If I don’t recieve it, then he’s not getting it. He just keeps lying and lying on me over. I’m so fed up with it!
I actually laughed, Steve, at this article and the video—sounded so much like J. Reid Meloy’s ‘PROFESSIONAL WORD SALAD” or to put it another way “How to say NOTHING in 10,000 words or less and make people think you are smart because they didn’t understand you.”
Yea, I’m ready to try his theories the next time I encounter an armed robber and see if I can help that poor person connect to his conscience….if I don’t get shot first!
All I can say about this guy is that there are lots of FRUITCAKES out there with grants and PhDs doing what they call “research.”
It’s a shame this money wasn’t spent on how the fruit flies in Egypt replicate. It would have been more informational and beneficial in my opinion.
Oxy,
You’ve made an excellent point!! Just because someone has a Phd, it doesn’t mean the guy isn’t a total quack. Hell, HE could be a narcissist, at the very least. Who know? There’s an assumption in our society that social status (being highly educated and/or in an otherwise “elite” group) is commensurate with being socially/emotionally intelligent. My Spath went to college at U of Chicago with a dual concentration in…wait for it…….Psychology and Anthropology, and then went on to grad school at Harvard. He was in the 99th percentile on his GMATS (verified). But, well, he’s a SPATH! Anyhow, perhaps we can boink this Neuman dude together. Boink Boink Boink. ‘Cept I want to do the honor of the frying pan. I haven’t made up my mind on him yet–but a good fryin’ pan noggin’ boinking may just be what the doctor ordered.
Dear Hurtnomore,
Obviously, the problem is that your father is slowing down or stopping the loan for your school. He apparently has no intention of getting the loan.
Did you go visit your mother out of country? The last I read your post it seemed your mother was going to provide your school money.
Well, if your parents are not able or willing to provide you money to go to school, then I suggest that if you truly want to go to college, that it is up to you to provide your own college and if you do not like the living conditions which you have living with your father and your sister that makes you miserable, that you should provide your own living independently so that you do not have to endure their poor treatment of you.
You cannot change how they treat you, you can only change yourself, and you are NO LONGER REQUIRED BY LAW to live there with your father or to associate with your sister.
I would look at the options you have available:
to go to a resident college. (can you raise the money through scholarships and work study to attend ANY resident college) This might be a bit late now to apply to one since classes will be starting soon.
to get or keep a full time job and find another place to live, and maybe take a few courses either over the internet or at a local college close enough to attend, maybe at night. Maybe do this for a year until you can apply for scholarships and admission to a residential college.
Find a friend to rent a small apartment with while you both work, to help keep down costs of an apartment.
Find a job that provides living space, like a live in baby sitter for a family, there are agencies that find this kind of jobs for young women who have clean criminal records. You could maybe take some on-line computer classes during this time as well.
None of these options might be your ideal wishes, but they are all viable options for getting where you ultimately want to be and that is (1) out of your father’s house, and away from your sister and (2) working toward getting a college education so that you can live an independent professional life.
Sometimes the road toward where we want to ultimately end up is blocked due to “landslides or floods,” so we must find ways to get where we want to go by focusing on the ULTIMATE DESTINATION IN OUR PLAN, and then find a way to by-pass the road blocks.
Look at the OPTIONS YOU DO HAVE, and don’t focus on the ones you don’t have. You can’t get on trying to get your dad to change his behavior—HE IS NOT GOING TO DO IT. Neither is your sister. So since they WILL NOT CHANGE, then YOU must change your reaction to their behavior.
You cannot force him to sign for a loan for your school, no matter how many times he promised to do so. Actually, he is NOT required to do so if he doesn’t want to. IF he does, it is a GIFT not a responsibility. If he does not want to give you a GIFT, you can’t make him and he has a right to say NO. That’s just the facts of life. Now that you are an adult, the ONLY person responsible for meeting your needs for food, shelter, medical care, education, etc. is YOU. If someone wants to give you a GIFT for these things, wonderful, but if they don’t want to, then YOU must take care of these things yourself. Welcome to the WORLD OF ADULTS. ((((Hugs))))))
OxDrover: He wants me to validate the loan online. I’m the only one who can validate the loan. I need his SSN to do the PLUS Loan. This for parent’s to sign for a loan but it needs the student’s information. He got upset because I asked him for his SSN to validate the loan and to get the loan through. He said I was being disrespectful because I didn’t say good afternoon or hello. Just straight to the point. He told my mother I disrespected him so much. I only asked for something so he could get his loan. If he’s not willing to provide the information so he can get his help with student expenses, then he doesn’t get to take out the parental( PLUS loan). My mother isn’t listening to anything I’m saying. She believes him that I was being disrespectful. I’m with my mom right now. He called and told her. I emailed him for the information since I’m the only one who can access it. But I have a plan for next year to weed out my dad when it comes to school expenses.
I think it is interesting that psychopaths and non-psychopaths score differently on those tests in a marked way, but I’m not sure HIS explanation for WHY is correct.
I think psychopaths are very good at spotting traps, ways of being fooled, are constantly on the lookout for that, and have a great ability to just focus on what THEY want to win. It is like they are determined to get the task right, no matter what obstacles you set in their way. WINNING. POWER. CONTROL. Those are things that matter most. They can have a lazer focus on that.
There are non-psychopaths who seem to have trouble with emotional depth, but nonetheless don’t hurt people. They make, for instance, great undercover agents to document torture and other things that most of us would fall apart at seeing. Or they are people who had to disassociate as kids because of abuse, and still do it automatically as adults. Some of them become victims of psychopaths, denying or minimizing what is happening to them. But they don’t hurt others.
So as you have pointed out Steve, the essential characteristic is the almost compulsion to exploit. I think your blog on the essential characteristic still holds. (And in it you make the point about autism’s problems with emotions don’t lead to psychopathic behavior. ) So they may feel some emotions, but still are driven to exploit, to win, to be in control, to have the power. They will focus on emotional cues only when it helps them exploit.
But I still hold that while they can have some emotions, there is not the ability to sustain positive emotions over the long haul, because (from their point of view) damn…there are just so many good opportunities for power, control, and exploitation, and so little time!
I don’t think a sociopath/psychopath would participate and encourage the steering their focus towards “healthier” emotions. This is a really dangerously simplistic idea.
Maybe, if at a young age, the idea of “redirecting” could be used. But, at a later age, what would be the incentive for a sociopath to go along with a game of “healthy changing”?
I doubt that sociopaths could simply just tune into emotions that have been present, all along.
I also doubt that change for a sociopath can be achieved without the assistance of drugs, to reduce their impulses long enough to “get their attention”.
Sociopaths need chemical interventions to shut down their behavior, just like pedophiles need chemical castration. Then, maybe behavior therapies will help them make “new connections”, and healthy associations. Even so, I’d guess they’d still need those drugs to keep them in line, long term.
Dear Hurtnomore,
You can’t control what he says, you can’t control what your mother believes…..I know that is frustrating. If he won’t’ give you the information, he won’t give you the information, so it may mean you can’t go to school this year. Many people, myself included, do not or did not have parents that helped pay for our college. I borrowed money on my own name, and I worked while I went to school, and I got grants and scholarships. Anyone who has the ability to do the course work, can get a college education. It may take more than 4 years, but it can be done, so do not despair! Just do the best you can to take care of yourself if your parents won’t contribute. Good luck.
Purewater,
FYI, even physical castration does not deter rapists—-it is not a hormonal impulse, rape and sexual abuse is a MENTAL and CONTROL issue. Otherwise we could fix them just by castrating them. Doesn’t work, unfortunately. It is a crime of violence not sex.