What a difficult question this is—exactly what defines the sociopath?
 Joseph Neuman Ph.D, psychopathy researcher, in an extensive interview (see link to this interview previously provided by Donna Anderson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmZgnCHweLM) addresses this and other questions about psychopaths.
Neuman’s research, if I understand him correctly (and I did not find him to be particularly clear in his explanations) yields a picture of the psychopath, surprisingly, not as primarily emotionally defective, but rather as emotionally defective secondary to certain forms of attentional problems.
Neuman makes some interesting and, to my mind, somewhat puzzling observations. For instance, and consistent with his basic premise, he actually suggests that psychopaths may be more inclined to genuinely assist someone they perceive to be in need than non-psychopaths. Did I hear that correctly? I think so.
Neuman also suggests that the psychopath’s capacity for this kind of humane response is unfortunately, or effectively, nullified (in others’ eyes) by his more antisocial, knucklehead behaviors. Did I hear this correctly, too? I think I did.
Neuman’s basic premise—again, if I understand him correctly—is that psychopaths aren’t so much fundamentally defective emotionally as much as their emotional capacities which, alas, may be much more normal than otherwise appreciated, are essentially obscured, effectively immobilized, by their over-attention, their over-focus on their particular, momentary interest(s).
So, to be clear, if I’m understanding Neuman, he’s suggesting that psychopaths (at least some, if not many) may indeed have normal emotions, perhaps even a normal range of emotions; the problem is that they don’t “attend” to their emotions because they aren’t “cueing” to the signals that should steer them to recognize, and be better regulated, by their emotions.
Neuman suggests that when psychopaths can be directed to focus on these cues and signals, his research shows that they can and do access a range of more normal emotions. This should and, Neuman says, does result in their coming under the better, and more appropriate, stewardship of their emotions (my italics, not his).
Now on one hand, Neuman says he’s not denying that an emotional deficit lies at the core of psychopathy. Yet it seems to me that this is exactly what he’s questioning! What he is saying in the interview, it seems to me, again and again, is that, at the heart of psychopathy is less an emotional deficit than a kind of attentional deficit, a signal-attuning deficit, the consequence of which is to detach the psychopath from connection to his underlying capacity to feel, and be better regulated in his behavior, by his emotions.
Now perhaps I’ve badly misinterpreted what I heard Neuman saying. I will leave that to other LoveFraud readers to weigh in.
Also, consistent with what I hear him saying throughout the interview, Neuman takes the rather radical stance that once a psychopath, not necessarily always, hopelessly, permanently a psychopath.
He suggests, rather, that if interventions can be developed that, for instance, can help psychopaths more effectively attune to the signals that will steer their attention to their healthier emotions, well then”¦NASA, we may have arrived at something of a cure, or palliative, for psychopathy.
He envisions interventions, if I understand him properly, that would effectively liberate the humanity within the psychopath, which is obscured, if not immobilized, by his attentional problems.
Because again, he is not saying that psychopaths necessarily lack emotions, or even a range of normal emotions; remember, he goes so far as to say that some psychopaths, including those with whom he’s worked, have shown evidence of an even greater (and genuine!) responsiveness to those in need than non-psychopaths. The problem, he stresses, is that psychopaths, by virtue of their overfocus on present, reward-driven interests, are basically disconnected from their emotions. At least this is what I understand him to be saying.
Neuman makes another interesting observation. Citing Hervey Cleckley, MD, he suggests that the psychopath may have an even weaker drive to acquire what he wants than the normal individual. The problem, he says, is that their “restraints” are even weaker than their “urges.” He describes this as a case of their “weaker urges breaking through even weaker restraints.”
Neuman also asserts that you can’t define psychopathy by behaviors and actions, including, he says, actions like “defrauding” people. I understand his general point—the idea that psychopathy’s essence may be more a reflection of a mentality than specific actions.
However, a pattern of certain actions, especially exploitive actions, can reflect, can reveal, the mind—and the disorder—behind it.
As I understand Neuman, let us say we have someone who is in the process of perpetrating a cold-blooded armed robbery—and not, say, the first he’s perpetrated. He’s prepared to bind, blindfold and shoot all potential witnesses to the crime. This way he can take what he came for and not get fingered, identified, in the act. Let us say he has done this before, remorselessly.
Neuman seems to suggest that, horrible as this act would be, it’s not necessarily indicative of a psychopath. Maybe he’s right.
But let’s say this individual is a Hare-diagnosed psychopath. Neuman also seems to be proposing the idea that the killer’s primary issue isn’t necessarily the absence, somewhere, of appropriate and potentially self-regulating emotion; rather, he’s so overfocused on taking care of the business at hand—robbing, and removing witnesses to the robbery—that he’s unable to attune to the kinds of signals that would lead him to recognize, and fall under the prosocial influence, of his more normal, humane emotions.
So that, if somehow, in the course of the perpetrating of his crime, you could somehow cue him to the signals that might lead him to recognize his more “humane” emotions, you might, theoretically, be able to short-circuit the robbery and coldblooded murdering of the witnesses!
Really? That’s an interesting concept, but it’s not one that strikes me as necessarily plausible. In general, as I listened to Neuman, I found that he depicted the psychopath specifically, and psychopathy in general, in terms that seemed to me much too benign; as if the psychopath, in Neuman’s view and based on his research, isn’t necessarily lacking in humanity as much as he’s lacking certain qualities that would enable his humanity to express itself in more visible, self-regulating, prosocial ways?
What was your take on the interview?
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is strictly for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
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Bluejay,
” show concern for others” should be said as “APPEARED TO SHOW CONCERN FOR OTHERS, IN ORDER TO MAKE THEM THINK HE REALLY CARES” They are NOT able to actually care for others, but sometimes it meets their purposes to APPEAR to care about others.
That is sort of like saying “He really is a NICE CARING GUY when he is NOT ROBBING BANKS OR RAPING CHILDREN.”
No one is a “good guy” 24/7 and never does a thing to hurt someone else’s feelings, but neither is a “bad man” robbing banks 24/7 or murdering people 24/7 either—you just have to look at the overall picture. How many people does someone have to murder to be a MONSTER? One? two? Three? six million? 60 million?
OxDrover,
I don’t know because with him, it does seem that for a time, he has shown concern for others (usually everyone gets ticked off with him, thus, the end of the relationship) – he would go beyond the call of duty, find housing for some of his employees, appear in court for employees, co-sign automobile loans for employees, on and on and on, etc. I think that he wants to be seen as this great guy, great employer, having a hard time saying NO to people. I don’t think that he is a good guy, my own experiences confirming this truth.
What planet is Joseph Neuman Ph.D, psychopathy researcher living on??
The only time the N/Spath cares for anyone, is when he has his own ulterior motive clicking in his sicko mind! Hence the word “appeared to show concern for others? Fact, they care for NO ONE, they are void of ALL emotions unless feigned! They fool everyone but when their mask drops holy terror reigns on everyone! But of course it’s never their fault. Perhaps Neuman (PhD???) needs to face “reality” of what he’s dealing with in a sociopath.
heispureevil-Joseph Neuman Ph.D is living on the same planet as Sam Vaknin Ph.D–the one who writes all over the place about malignant narcissism and he himself is a malignant narcissist!
Dear Bluejay
Darlen, “the SEEMS like a nice guy” SOME of the time is the PROOF OF THE PSYCHOPATH—they “love bomb” people at first to convince them what great people they are then POW! GOTTYA!!!! That appearance of “being nice” is the MASK THEY WEAR.
Erin, the term “malignant narcissist” I think is Sam Vaknin’s coining. His Ph.D is another FRAUD, it is an internet PhD that you can get for $25! LOL NOTHING ABOUT SAM IS ABOUT ANYTHING BUT SETTING HIMSELF UP AS AN EXPERT FOR HIS OWN AGGRANDIZEMENT. There is a thread here about “I, Psychopath” the movie made about Sam, it is linked to the thread. search on LF for it and watch the movie. Make you puke though! LOL
erin1972- Yes, and it leads me to believe the same about Neuman- PhD?? Really, a PhD???? (or is that a facade)
Ox – for only $25?!? I’ve come to the conclusion there really is only one cure and I think we all know what that is!
God, give me strength!!
Seems those Spaths fooled the great Doctor huh?!
I agree with Dr Newman. It is exactly what my husband said, he had a reason for killing her. He HAD to do it to teach her a lesson, not to make him mad. Killing her was just something he had to do, like taking a shower or mowing the grass. A job that needed doing. He killed calmly b/c he was focused on the task.
My husband, the nice guy. Ask anyone. Everyone who knows him will tell you, he is a NICE guy.
But without laying a finger on me, I was pissing myself terrified of him after that.
Nowadays I am trying to get divorced, hard to do when he retained ALL our assets and I was such a basket case for years that I couldn’t even keep a volunteer job…. And truth is, I am now 3000 miles away too, so that makes it difficult as well… and still unemployed b/c while I am incredibly improved, I still suffer terrible insomnia and very sensitive startle, have a hard time staying focused so much so that even I wouldn’t hire me.
But hey, let’s not draw conclusions about a psychopath based on the outcome of their behaviors on their victims, whether dead, or many times just wishing I was dead…
I will say it again..unless you and your PHD have been run over by a truck you have no ideal what it feels like, so until you have tire tracks on your face I dont give your expertise much thought. I have been pleased with most of the responses to this article.
Ox-the term malignant narcissist does not appear to be coined by him because I read about it on legit psychiatric sites. The term is also called pathological narcissist. They have Narcissistic Personality Disorder combo with Anti-Social Personality Disorder and paranoia. They have a little more evil than than the traditional NPD. That’s how I figured my ex to be. I always knew he was a combo of both disorders.
I am not interested in Sam’s book or movie. I had enough experience with my own ex to last me a lifetime. The good thing is that my experience with him is going to be a huge asset for my law enforcement career. I can pick them out in all of 5 minutes now. I was always a real good judge of character before him. There was just one piece missing. When I started my present job that I hate, I knew which people were going to be problems behaviorally within the first several hours of my first shift and they all proved me right. Now to what brings me to my passion for law inforcement. Here’s my big story.
When I was about 9 years old, my best friend and I were walking from my house to hers to go swimming. We were wearing two piece bathing suits with jean shorts on top. We lived in a rural area across the lake from NOLA and the walk was about a half mile. A man stopped us in an old truck. He was asking for directions. Looking at him sent a chill up my spine and I felt like something was terribly wrong. My best friend never knew a stranger and immediately began openly talking to this man and I was freaked. He then told us how nice we looked in our bathing suits and that sent my fears into overdrive. I kept trying to get my friend to leave without being to obvious. I felt like we were in danger. I couldn’t do it so I thought I would have to wait it out until I could. I was totally quiet and proceeded to memorize every detail about this man’s appearance and his truck. I didn’t get his license number because we were standing by the driver’s side of the truck and I didn’t want to arouse his suspicions that I was on to him. They finally stopped talking and he took off down the road. When he turned the corner I said “run” to my friend. We ran the rest of the way and I was berrating her the whole time for being dumb enough to talk to him. We were almost to her house when he came back. There was a pond and a horse pasture between us and the road. He stopped his truck, got out and started RUNNING in our direction. We took off like a bat outta hell and ran into her house and locked the door. The fat bastard finally stopped in the pasture, turned around and went back to his truck. We told our parents and later that night I spoke to a cop. My dad had a friend who worked for the sheriffs office and he came over. They woke me up and had me talk to him. I gave the officer the full detailed description. I remember sitting down by the officer on the fireplace and he was writing his notes and I thought that was the COOLEST thing ever-that he could possibly catch this guy from the details that I provided. That’s what did it for me with law enforcement!