What a difficult question this is—exactly what defines the sociopath?
 Joseph Neuman Ph.D, psychopathy researcher, in an extensive interview (see link to this interview previously provided by Donna Anderson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmZgnCHweLM) addresses this and other questions about psychopaths.
Neuman’s research, if I understand him correctly (and I did not find him to be particularly clear in his explanations) yields a picture of the psychopath, surprisingly, not as primarily emotionally defective, but rather as emotionally defective secondary to certain forms of attentional problems.
Neuman makes some interesting and, to my mind, somewhat puzzling observations. For instance, and consistent with his basic premise, he actually suggests that psychopaths may be more inclined to genuinely assist someone they perceive to be in need than non-psychopaths. Did I hear that correctly? I think so.
Neuman also suggests that the psychopath’s capacity for this kind of humane response is unfortunately, or effectively, nullified (in others’ eyes) by his more antisocial, knucklehead behaviors. Did I hear this correctly, too? I think I did.
Neuman’s basic premise—again, if I understand him correctly—is that psychopaths aren’t so much fundamentally defective emotionally as much as their emotional capacities which, alas, may be much more normal than otherwise appreciated, are essentially obscured, effectively immobilized, by their over-attention, their over-focus on their particular, momentary interest(s).
So, to be clear, if I’m understanding Neuman, he’s suggesting that psychopaths (at least some, if not many) may indeed have normal emotions, perhaps even a normal range of emotions; the problem is that they don’t “attend” to their emotions because they aren’t “cueing” to the signals that should steer them to recognize, and be better regulated, by their emotions.
Neuman suggests that when psychopaths can be directed to focus on these cues and signals, his research shows that they can and do access a range of more normal emotions. This should and, Neuman says, does result in their coming under the better, and more appropriate, stewardship of their emotions (my italics, not his).
Now on one hand, Neuman says he’s not denying that an emotional deficit lies at the core of psychopathy. Yet it seems to me that this is exactly what he’s questioning! What he is saying in the interview, it seems to me, again and again, is that, at the heart of psychopathy is less an emotional deficit than a kind of attentional deficit, a signal-attuning deficit, the consequence of which is to detach the psychopath from connection to his underlying capacity to feel, and be better regulated in his behavior, by his emotions.
Now perhaps I’ve badly misinterpreted what I heard Neuman saying. I will leave that to other LoveFraud readers to weigh in.
Also, consistent with what I hear him saying throughout the interview, Neuman takes the rather radical stance that once a psychopath, not necessarily always, hopelessly, permanently a psychopath.
He suggests, rather, that if interventions can be developed that, for instance, can help psychopaths more effectively attune to the signals that will steer their attention to their healthier emotions, well then”¦NASA, we may have arrived at something of a cure, or palliative, for psychopathy.
He envisions interventions, if I understand him properly, that would effectively liberate the humanity within the psychopath, which is obscured, if not immobilized, by his attentional problems.
Because again, he is not saying that psychopaths necessarily lack emotions, or even a range of normal emotions; remember, he goes so far as to say that some psychopaths, including those with whom he’s worked, have shown evidence of an even greater (and genuine!) responsiveness to those in need than non-psychopaths. The problem, he stresses, is that psychopaths, by virtue of their overfocus on present, reward-driven interests, are basically disconnected from their emotions. At least this is what I understand him to be saying.
Neuman makes another interesting observation. Citing Hervey Cleckley, MD, he suggests that the psychopath may have an even weaker drive to acquire what he wants than the normal individual. The problem, he says, is that their “restraints” are even weaker than their “urges.” He describes this as a case of their “weaker urges breaking through even weaker restraints.”
Neuman also asserts that you can’t define psychopathy by behaviors and actions, including, he says, actions like “defrauding” people. I understand his general point—the idea that psychopathy’s essence may be more a reflection of a mentality than specific actions.
However, a pattern of certain actions, especially exploitive actions, can reflect, can reveal, the mind—and the disorder—behind it.
As I understand Neuman, let us say we have someone who is in the process of perpetrating a cold-blooded armed robbery—and not, say, the first he’s perpetrated. He’s prepared to bind, blindfold and shoot all potential witnesses to the crime. This way he can take what he came for and not get fingered, identified, in the act. Let us say he has done this before, remorselessly.
Neuman seems to suggest that, horrible as this act would be, it’s not necessarily indicative of a psychopath. Maybe he’s right.
But let’s say this individual is a Hare-diagnosed psychopath. Neuman also seems to be proposing the idea that the killer’s primary issue isn’t necessarily the absence, somewhere, of appropriate and potentially self-regulating emotion; rather, he’s so overfocused on taking care of the business at hand—robbing, and removing witnesses to the robbery—that he’s unable to attune to the kinds of signals that would lead him to recognize, and fall under the prosocial influence, of his more normal, humane emotions.
So that, if somehow, in the course of the perpetrating of his crime, you could somehow cue him to the signals that might lead him to recognize his more “humane” emotions, you might, theoretically, be able to short-circuit the robbery and coldblooded murdering of the witnesses!
Really? That’s an interesting concept, but it’s not one that strikes me as necessarily plausible. In general, as I listened to Neuman, I found that he depicted the psychopath specifically, and psychopathy in general, in terms that seemed to me much too benign; as if the psychopath, in Neuman’s view and based on his research, isn’t necessarily lacking in humanity as much as he’s lacking certain qualities that would enable his humanity to express itself in more visible, self-regulating, prosocial ways?
What was your take on the interview?
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is strictly for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
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hens – jazus, is that what happened to my pretty face?
thats what happened to your pretty heart..
truer words….
Steve,
I think the fact that Newman’s insight produced only 10 comments (I checked) and yours – over 40 – is enough of a statement in itself.
They are certainly capable of human emotion. In my experience, they can “Tune in and out” at will. You should have seen the amount of patience, support and empathy I got from P while he was courting me. Sound familiar?
It would almost be nice if ALL disabled individuals could turn on their disabilities and OFF. I guess, if that were the case, most would TURN Them off and keep them off. The fact that Ps don’t seem to be interested in keeping their urges under control and consistently doing the “right thing” goes right back to the original DSM definition. then, again, it is only disability if it makes one’s life miserable. I think, so many of them prove themselves capable of just the opposite: keeping others’ lives miserable.
My child cried at the Gingerbread Man – the story ends in Gingerbread being eaten. There was my proof that he WAS human, had emotions and could empathize. My child takes a stick and beats up our dog. He beats up that dog so brutally that a huge animal hides from my child in fear. My child understands FEAR. He NAMES the dog’s fear, but he does not stop, unless I impose harsh and unavoidable consequences. My child is three. His judgement reminds me of his P father’s. His emotional development is no match to his mental capacities
erin1972, wow, you were such a smart kid!!!
(and now a smart adult!)
your story freaked ME out!
I couldn’t read it fast enough.
You are going to be a fabulous police officer!!!
GettingIt, oh my, this is very disturbing.
I am not a professional so I am not in a position
to offer advice on how to handle your son, perhaps
it would be best if you found a new home for your dog…
so he wouldn’t be there for your son to beat…
it would be good for your son, and it would be good
for the dog.
Very interesting.
I didn’t see any major inconsistencies in what Joe Newman had to say. First there’s the shallow affect typical of a psychopath. Psychopaths don’t seem to experience emotions in anything like the same depth that normal people do. Newman did not seem to be denying that emotions in psychopaths are attenuated. He said: “Some people look at my attention theory and think that I’m denying that there’s an emotion deficit in psychopaths, but that’s not the case. I mean their emotion deficit is what really does this thing… Emotions are there to some extent, to the degree that you attend to them. They may have a signal that says you shouldn’t do this, but that’s a weak signal.” [My emphasis.] He does seem to be implying that emotions in general are simply not “felt” by psychopaths with the same intensity.
Taken by itself, this attenuation doesn’t necessarily preclude a psychopath from (potentially) experiencing the same range of emotions that a normal human would. It just means those emotions will be weaker than in normal humans.
One such emotion is fear, and it’s commonly recognized that psychopaths can be less prone to the fears that would otherwise inhibit rash and reckless behavior in more normal humans. Consequently many psychopaths behave in ways that stupidly cause harm to themselves, as well as to others.
What Newman was saying, as Steve Becker pointed out, is that much of the psychopath’s failure to perceive and respond to emotional cues (including “fear” cues, no doubt) is caused by a failure of attention. Psychopaths are less likely to notice certain emotional cues, those that might otherwise inhibit undesirable behaviors, because they’re overfocused on other aspects, including the “reward” potential of a behavior.
However, I don’t think Newman is saying the psychopath’s emotional deficit is secondary to this failure of attention. Rather, I think it’s the other way round. Both factors play a part, but it’s precisely because emotional signals are “weak” in the first place that they’re prone to being ignored altogether if attention is focused elsewhere.
It’s easy to understand this idea with an auditory or visual analogy. Suppose we’re in a room where a party is in full swing and there’s lots of noise. Now and again the noise can “interfere,” but on the whole the auditory signals are strong, and we can discern multiple signals. We can not only hear what a companion is saying to us, but we can also pick up snatches of other conversations around us, besides identifying any music that’s playing. In the visual field, we can easily recognize several people we know in a group of people nearby. There’s Ted, there’s Tom, there’s Sally. We can see all of these multiple people clearly and individually.
Conditions are different if the signals are “weak.” If there’s music coming from somewhere in the distance, and murmurs of conversation from the next room, we’ll have a harder time recognizing what’s being said, or played. More relevant here, trying to recognize it calls for an effort of concentration. If we’re straining to hear what’s being said next door, we may not even notice there’s music playing somewhere else. Or if we’re trying to hear the music, we may not notice the conversation at all, let alone make out what’s being said. Similarly, if we spot a group of people some way away, they may be hard to recognize at a distance. Quite possibly we’ll focus on one person who looks vaguely familiar and ask ourselves “Is that Ted or isn’t it?” But while we’re focusing on him we’re not focusing on the other two, so we may never recognize them. In short, we only pick up some of the many things going on around us, and miss others altogether.
What I got out of Newman’s discussion is that something similar could be happening with psychopaths failing to recognize weak emotional signals if their attention is focused on one signal at the expense of others. That seems plausible to me.
Regardless of how strong (or weak) the emotional signals are in absolute terms, much of the problem with psychopathic behavior is still how strong (or weak) these signals are in relation to one another. If psychopaths’ perception of their “urges” is weaker than in normal humans, bad behavior can still result if their “restraints” (such as “conscience”) are weaker still. That’s entirely logical. Newman mentioned that these ideas aren’t new; they originated with Cleckley.
Along with that, Newman did indeed say that “when they turn their attention to things… the psychopaths will tell us this themselves, they’ll say I don’t know, you know, when I see somebody that’s suffering, I’ll go and help them. I’ll do this and that for them. And they’re saying they have emotions, and if you look at some of their behaviors they actually go out of their way more than other people would to do something about it. And yet… because of the negative, cruel things they often do, people are saying the evidence is that those emotions are not genuine.”
It is of course perfectly possible that people judge psychopaths mainly by their negative behaviors. After all, people notice unusual things, exceptions to the behavioral norm. They don’t notice what seems normal. So even if some psychopaths were particularly helpful to others at times, people still count that within the range of “ordinary, human” behavior and don’t take any special notice of it. Acts of exceptional cruelty on the other hand do get noticed and remembered, and those are what characterize the psychopath in people’s minds.
However, I think the point being made is that because psychopathic behavior is not well regulated emotionally in any constant fashion, it tends to be impulsive. One characteristic of “impulsive” behavior is that it’s likely to be inconsistent from one time to another. It may even be somewhat RANDOM in the direction the impulse takes from one occasion to the next. The psychopath is a “loose cannon” whose behavior may be hard to predict.
Given this built-in inconsistency, it’s credible enough, at least in theory, that a psychopath acting on impulse could behave helpfully, even generously toward others at one time, and at another time, acting just as uninhibitedly on a very different impulse, be guilty of an act of sheer cruelty or predation.
For the reason I mentioned above, people observing these contrasting behaviors are likely to discount the psychopath’s acts of helpfulness or generosity and characterize him or her chiefly by the acts of cruelty. But people go further. They attempt to see (as Polonius put it) “method in the madness,” where sometimes there may not BE any “method”! People expect “consistent” behavior out of others, and they look for a pattern. If a psychopath appears helpful and generous to them at first sight, they’ll start off believing “this is a kind, caring person.” If the psychopath then turns round and treats them badly or exploits them, eventually they’ll decide “this person is a villain after all.” But they may still try to reconcile the contradictory behaviors in their own mind by trying to find a common motive or purpose behind both. Then they may conclude that the behaviors they saw as “kind” and “caring” were deliberately contrived by the psychopath in order to “take them in” and “put them off their guard.”
That may well be true in some cases, but in other cases it may not be true at all. The contradictory behaviors may be largely random and impulsive, not part of any greater “scheme” or purpose. Whether or not that’s true of psychopaths, people certainly do make that mistake with other types of abusers, often imputing motives to the abuser that simply aren’t there in that messed-up individual.
Needless to say, no matter what’s really going on in a psychopath’s skull, they still need to be given a wide berth!
Another point Newman touched on was the disagreement in how to define a psychopath–which of course includes distinguishing the psychopath from other kinds of abusive, predatory or antisocial individual. As he pointed out, the majority of people even in the prison system, 80 to 85 percent, are not psychopathic. The majority of people commit crimes for other reasons, or due to other pathologies. One problem is that methods of assessing psychopathy (and similar conditions) in any individual nearly always, even in Hare’s PCL-R, takes criminal behavior into account to one degree or another. Assessment of so-called “antisocial personality disorder” leans even more heavily on such behavioral criteria. This runs the risk of circular reasoning, in which subjects may be classified as “psychopathic” because they’re criminals, while their criminal behavior in turn is attributed to their psychopathy! In other words, it’s important to ensure that a test really is detecting a specific clinical disorder of the mind rather than just measuring criminality.
Of course, everybody needs to bear in mind that a person does not have be a psychopath to be potentially harmful to them!
In this light it was interesting to hear Newman’s remarks on the prevalence of psychopathy in the population. While he estimated 10-15 percent in the prison population, he repeated the standard figure of 1 percent for the population at large. Asked about gender aspects, he gave the standard ratio of three men to one woman. However, he hemmed and hawed about that gender ratio, and hedged a bit by saying that’s using criteria for “antisocial personality disorder” rather than the more precise ones for psychopathy. If the kinds of socially deviant things men do are more likely to attract the attention of the law than those women do, this might mean the prevalence of psychopathy is somewhat more gender-equal than that “three to one” ratio suggests.
As for the rest, I listened to this twice, but nowhere did I hear anything about anyone “coming under the better, and more appropriate, stewardship of their emotions.”
Nor did I hear anything I could interpret to mean “liberating the humanity within the psychopath.” Where did all these warm fuzzy feel-good notions come from?
If Newman was discussing psychopathy in terms that seemed “benign,” that didn’t mean he was gushing as if psychopaths were truly warm, wonderful souls who only needed “liberating” from their cold shell of pathology. I didn’t hear anything of the kind!
He is looking at treatment possibilities, yes, and not writing off all psychopaths as utterly untreatable the way many experts do. However, even from what he said, my impression is that such treatment possibilities are rather limited. They’re also far more in the nature of “fear conditioning” and various methods akin to dog training. I didn’t hear any warm fuzzies about “liberating humanity” there. He did talk about early intervention with children, and that’s bound to hold more promise than with adults. However, I doubt he’s holding out much hope that cold-blooded killers can be trained to short-circuit their homicidal impulses. To do that he’d have to start by getting their cooperation and willingness to learn and change. I doubt very much that would be forthcoming from those types!
hens..ha ha PhD, truck..yeah! right on Brother!
OxDrover,
Love bombing, that’s what it is! Bing, the light went on. Thanks. We are leaving for our family vacation tomorrow morning. I hope that you are doing okay, being aware that you lost your dog. We have three Corgis (a brother and two sisters), loving them to death. They’re so cute – their eyes are precious to look at because of their light.